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post #3451 of 3534
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

Well, I  just couldn't imagine the hd700 to be worse than the hd595 (which is not so great).

 

Try listening to them.

post #3452 of 3534
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Originally Posted by The Monkey View Post

 

Try listening to them.

Not easy, in africa.

Anyway, the main flaws of hd595 are grainy sound and lack of bass.   So stating that hd700 has worse flaws, is like telling they are overpriced  junk.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 10/22/12 at 6:40am
post #3453 of 3534
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Originally Posted by The Monkey View Post

 

Try listening to them.

 

I've listened to them and I disagree. You may subjectively prefer the frequency response of the 595, but the HD700, for me had better clarity, better transient response, better soundstaging and much less audible graininess to my ears than the 595.

 

"Better" is such a faulted judgement with headphones anyway as it doesn't matter what is technically better. If someone subjectively prefers something they prefer it, no point debating the matter; it's conversation over.

 

I prefer many technically less capable headphones to many more technically capable ones, just because the frequency response is closer to what I prefer. For instance, I prefer the Stax SR-303 to the Stax SR-007. I'm obviously not going to go around shouting at 007 owners that their chosen headphone is worse than a much cheaper model...

post #3454 of 3534
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I'm obviously not going to go around shouting at 007 owners that their chosen headphone is worse than a much cheaper model...

But the reverse would happen, I bet (i.e 007 owners, shouting it's better).
Anyway, often the mentality here, is people asking which headphone is best for a particular budget.
Beside personal taste, it's always  re-assuring to know that the headphone have something to justify the price.
The hd700 is confusing, at least.

post #3455 of 3534

I agree to that, I like the HD700 (with the right amp, blabla...) but I don't think the price-quality ratio is correct
 

post #3456 of 3534
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

Beside personal taste, it's always  re-assuring to know that the headphone have something to justify the price.
The hd700 is confusing, at least.

 

 

There's nothing confusing besides people conflating their personal tastes with the technical capability of headphones.

 

This isn’t an issue like the Ultrasone Edition 10 that measure like a dogs dinner and are clearly not a good set of headphones.

 

Personal taste regarding frequency response aside these headphones do perform well, they perform better than the 650 and 595, less well than the HD800, therefore they fall between the two in price.


Now this doesn’t mean everyone is required to prefer them in that order but that’s neither here nor there.

 

The Koss Portapro is a guilty pleasure of mine that I enjoy while there are plenty of headphones costing hundreds of pounds that I’ve heard and would happily never hear again. Do I think those headphones should cost less than the Portapro? That would be ridiculous. They just aren’t a match for my tastes.

post #3457 of 3534

the price should be 700$ not freaking 1000$

post #3458 of 3534
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Originally Posted by the fool View Post

the price should be 700$ not freaking 1000$

 

In the UK Grado RS1 cost £600, as do HD-700, and I believe the latter is clearly the better.

post #3459 of 3534
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Originally Posted by EddieE View Post

 

 

There's nothing confusing besides people conflating their personal tastes with the technical capability of headphones.

 


Well I'd think only the "technical capability" would justify the price. There's not so much confusion between "technical capability" and "personal taste" , since you'd see lot of people preferring the hd650 to the hd800. That's the only way I can find a way to deal with the "audiophile schizophrenia" here:  so much praise for the hd800, but a mismatch with  the "popular taste".
The bashing trend for the hd700, began when purrin showed measurement, and commented them.

Perhaps purrin got a defective model, or sennheiser modified the hd700.
Or people are correlating quality to price, no matter what ears or measurements are telling.

Personally, I would have been more happy if Sennheiser got rid of that stupid metal mesh from the hd800, and had put a ring driver on the hd700.

 

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The Koss Portapro is a guilty pleasure of mine that I enjoy while there are plenty of headphones costing hundreds of pounds that I’ve heard and would happily never hear again. Do I think those headphones should cost less than the Portapro? That would be ridiculous. They just aren’t a match for my tastes.

 

I'd think that the koss ks-75 have a sound quality worth at least 60$, but the comfort sucks.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 10/22/12 at 8:15pm
post #3460 of 3534
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post


Well I'd think only the "technical capability" would justify the price. There's not so much confusion between "technical capability" and "personal taste" , since you'd see lot of people preferring the hd650 to the hd800. That's he only way I can find a way to deal with the "audiophile schizophrenia" here:  so much praise for the hd800, but a mismatch with  the "popular taste".
The bashing trend for the hd700, began when purrin showed measurement, and commented them.

Perhaps purrin got a defective model, or sennheiser modified the hd700.
Or people are correlating quality to price, no matter what ears or measurements are telling.

Personally, I would have been more happy if Sennheiser got rid of that stupid metal mesh from the hd800, and had put a ring driver on the hd700.

 

 

I'd think that the koss ks-75 have a sound quality worth at least 60$, but the comfort sucks.

 

Mod them onto compatible headbands, kramer mod em, and get softer (e.g. grado / portapro pads) earpads, and you get a $300 sound and no more comfort issues.

 

 

post #3461 of 3534
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

Not easy, in africa.

Anyway, the main flaws of hd595 are grainy sound and lack of bass.   So stating that hd700 has worse flaws, is like telling they are overpriced  junk.

 

No, it's not. 

post #3462 of 3534

If anyone in this thread attended CanJam, do you recall/know what source was being used with the new Senn amp? 

post #3463 of 3534

Antelope Zodiac

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Doh!  Of course, now I remember.  Thanks very much.   I wish they had let us play around a little bit more with the gear.  I don't think they were necessarily presenting their own phones in the best light.  I understand they were featuring the new amp, but I think Senn would have been better served by having a more hot swappable booth.  Maybe it's just timing.  Those guys seemed worn out when I was there.

post #3465 of 3534
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Originally Posted by EddieE View Post


The Koss Portapro is a guilty pleasure of mine that I enjoy while there are plenty of headphones costing hundreds of pounds that I’ve heard and would happily never hear again. Do I think those headphones should cost less than the Portapro? That would be ridiculous. They just aren’t a match for my tastes.

anetode's recipe for better sound than the HD700 at an HD700's budget + karma:

Step 1) Purchase 25 PortaPros; Step 2) Give all but one away
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