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post #3406 of 3534

So I got to finally hear a pair of HD700s today. They were surprisingly better than some would have us believe. They did have more bass and treble than the HD800s. They weren't as quick, more "U" shaped, BUT they still sounded quite good. The treble though could get on one's nerves over the long haul (or not I guess, depends on the person, but I'm thinking with me, over time it would get to me). I liked the added bass weight. They were very clear and expansive sounding (though not HD800 clear/expansive). They were quite a bit better than the HD650s that I heard them with them. 

 

Comfort wise, they were among the top 3 or 4 headphones I've had on my head. The HD800s are still tops for me, but these were admirably good. Construction was sold, the cabling was quite good and they looked/felt like high priced headphones.

 

Overall I liked them. Where they perfect? Nope....a bit too much tizzy treble and bass performance could use some improvement (in terms of control and clarity). For the money, I'd take a pair of LCD-2s or used T1s any day of the week though. But I can certainly understand how/why someone would like them.

post #3407 of 3534

x2 Thank you! Pretty much my experience and the reason I purchased them.  I don't think that the HD700 are the monsters some make it out to be.

To me, there is enough improvement over the HD650 to warrant the purchase (SQ and especially comfort).  I was hoping to add sparkle to the HD650's by upgrading my amp, DAC and was considering a silver cable.  

On the other side of the coin, toning down (I'd like to think of it more a synergy than toning down) the HD700, I already have the hardware.  I pulled my PSAudio DLIII out of my main system permanently (detailed and warm DAC) and am playing around with the three sets of tubes I have for the Lyr.

With good recordings, the system is stunning but is not as forgiving as the HD650 for some of the poorer recordings.  I have the HE400 for that. I'm finding that the HD700 and the HE400 compliment each other nicely.

 

I've been going back and forth between the HD700 and HD650 with some of my favorite well recorded tunes and the HD700 is always my preference. I just find them more exciting and engaging. 

My only problem is the price/performance, especially compared to the HE400 bang for the buck. If they were $750-$799, I'd feel a little better.

 

I've got until Saturday to return them for a full refund. If I can find a local Toronto dealer that stocks the LCD2, I'll give them a audition.

Otherwise, I'll probably be keeping them.

 

 

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

So I got to finally hear a pair of HD700s today. They were surprisingly better than some would have us believe. They did have more bass and treble than the HD800s. They weren't as quick, more "U" shaped, BUT they still sounded quite good. The treble though could get on one's nerves over the long haul (or not I guess, depends on the person, but I'm thinking with me, over time it would get to me). I liked the added bass weight. They were very clear and expansive sounding (though not HD800 clear/expansive). They were quite a bit better than the HD650s that I heard them with them. 

 

Comfort wise, they were among the top 3 or 4 headphones I've had on my head. The HD800s are still tops for me, but these were admirably good. Construction was sold, the cabling was quite good and they looked/felt like high priced headphones.

 

Overall I liked them. Where they perfect? Nope....a bit too much tizzy treble and bass performance could use some improvement (in terms of control and clarity). For the money, I'd take a pair of LCD-2s or used T1s any day of the week though. But I can certainly understand how/why someone would like them.


Edited by MickeyVee - 6/26/12 at 7:25pm
post #3408 of 3534
I'd like to toss something in as I've been listening them since release week...

They have consistently grown on me in every way since my purchase. As I've spent more time with them and adjusted to them, whether it's directly out of my iPhone, an iBasso D4 or Little Dot MkIII, with whatever genre of music that I have listened to, they have grown on me. My 650 with silver plated OFC cable are history and going to the buy/sell very soon. No contest.

My biggest issue has been the bright treble on recordings that aren't as carefully mastered. Generally, I can use the "Equalizer" app to compensate with anywhere between -3db and -6db at 10KHz and be fine. I also started to notice that the "shrill" nature of the treble only seemed to bother me at higher listening levels. Also, i seemed to be subtracting more of the 10KHz band as i increased the volume. That may go a long way to explain why some people have little issue and some are blinded by it- perhaps the sibilance actually changes as volume is increased. I generally listen at a moderately low level, so it hasnt been an issue for me.

But, i decided to try something and I'd like to see if someone else with the HD700 would confirm or deny this-

I hooked them up to my PC with iTunes and set +14db boost from 8k up, cranked the volume, and "burned in" the treble for 36 hours. I haven't had a chance to listen to a lot since, but I generally feel it has helped the treble in the sibilance issue. They're still a bright headphone, but I'm not hurting as much at higher volume levels.

I've been listening to some pretty bright recordings at higher than normal levels and feel like the treble has smoothed out a bit.

I agree with many others that the price is high, but these are definitely high quality cans and a strong step up above my HD650. There's no return and I have my own reasons why I don't want to step up to HD800 (yet), so these fit the bill nicely, regardless of price.
Edited by smcginni - 6/30/12 at 10:23pm
post #3409 of 3534
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Originally Posted by MickeyVee View Post

My only problem is the price/performance, especially compared to the HE400 bang for the buck. If they were $750-$799, I'd feel a little better.

 

This is exactly one reason people have been so hard on them.  If they were playing in the same bracket as the 880/701/650, the reactions would have been much more subdued.  How much are individual ears able to take and how much are their wallets willing to correspond?  It'll be different for everyone.

post #3410 of 3534
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Originally Posted by smcginni View Post

I hooked them up to my PC with iTunes and set +14db boost from 8k up, cranked the volume, and "burned in" the treble for 36 hours. I haven't had a chance to listen to a lot since, but I generally feel it has helped the treble in the sibilance issue. They're still a bright headphone, but I'm not hurting as much at higher volume levels.

 

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post #3411 of 3534
Maverickronin, I'm lovin' that pic! I'm NOT a big believer in burn in in general, but I thought it would be worth a try. I'm glad they didn't ignite!

After a night of listening, they seem better. Thats why I'd like others with HD700 to confirm or deny my findings.

Fwiw, if it is really placebo effect, I'm ok with that. If I think they're better, that's enough for me. YMMV.
post #3412 of 3534
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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

This is exactly one reason people have been so hard on them.  If they were playing in the same bracket as the 880/701/650, the reactions would have been much more subdued.  How much are individual ears able to take and how much are their wallets willing to correspond?  It'll be different for everyone.

Very true. Even if they were at the $500-600 level people wouldn't balk so much. There's no way they're worth a grand.
post #3413 of 3534
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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

This is exactly one reason people have been so hard on them.  If they were playing in the same bracket as the 880/701/650, the reactions would have been much more subdued.  How much are individual ears able to take and how much are their wallets willing to correspond?  It'll be different for everyone.

Very true. Even if they were at the $500-600 level people wouldn't balk so much. There's no way they're worth a grand.

Are the HD650s worth $650? No. They're worth about $250.
Are the HD600s worth $600? No. They're worth about $200.
Would you pay $1500 for the HD800s? No. They're worth about $1000.

Stop comparing the MSRP of a new headphone to the current prices of previous headphones. Thanks.

Also, the HD700 crushes the 880/701/650, so it'd be really surprising for them to put them out at that level. It's placed, according to its MSRP, pretty well in Sennheiser's hierarchy.
post #3414 of 3534
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Originally Posted by Blisse View Post

Are the HD650s worth $650? No. They're worth about $250.
Are the HD600s worth $600? No. They're worth about $200.
Would you pay $1500 for the HD800s? No. They're worth about $1000.
Stop comparing the MSRP of a new headphone to the current prices of previous headphones. Thanks.
Also, the HD700 crushes the 880/701/650, so it'd be really surprising for them to put them out at that level. It's placed, according to its MSRP, pretty well in Sennheiser's hierarchy.

Sorry, l don't see it "crushing" any of those. Comparatively, the Q701s and DT880 Premiums are underpriced. Given their performance, they should be ~$400-450, compared to what else is out there right now. That would place the HD700s around $550-600, now that I really think about it.

Are the HD650s worth $650? Their MAP is $499 and they're worth that.
Are the HD600s worth $600? Their MAP is $399 and they're worth that.
Would I pay $1500 for HD800s? I can't count how many times I've almost pulled the trigger on a set from Colorware in carbon black and midnight blue. Eventually I will.

HD700s are poor value given their SQ, IMO. The HD650s are just as capable as the 700s, they simply aren't as bright. Just because a headphone is overloaded with treble doesn't mean it's a better product.
post #3415 of 3534

We're talking about value for the dollar here. The 880/701/650 are a good bang for the buck. I don't think the HD700 are. It's all relative.

 

My main system is backing up right now and I'm listening on my MackBook Air through an Audioengine D1 and the HE400. Less than $600 for this headphone/amp setup. Pretty awesome.

Compare HD700, PS Audio DLIII, Schiit Lyr with custom tubes.. $2200+. I think it is better but does not crush the D1/HE400 setup (at moderate listening levels). Where's the value?? Don't get me wrong, I really like the HD700 setup and could easily live with the D1/HE400 setup.

 

And I'm one of those people that has actually gone out and purchased a pairblink.gif Where do I sign up for Head-Fi therapy?

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Originally Posted by Blisse View Post


Are the HD650s worth $650? No. They're worth about $250.
Are the HD600s worth $600? No. They're worth about $200.
Would you pay $1500 for the HD800s? No. They're worth about $1000.
Stop comparing the MSRP of a new headphone to the current prices of previous headphones. Thanks.
Also, the HD700 crushes the 880/701/650, so it'd be really surprising for them to put them out at that level. It's placed, according to its MSRP, pretty well in Sennheiser's hierarchy.

Edited by MickeyVee - 7/2/12 at 8:42pm
post #3416 of 3534

Well I can definitely attest to "HD800's being worth 1000$". That's what I payed for a brand new pair and there's no looking back!

post #3417 of 3534
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

 Colorware in carbon black and midnight blue. 

 

 

WOW - Colorware - you can make the HD800s look how ever you like.  That's great.  Hope they don't mess up the drivers.

post #3418 of 3534
This headphone is too expensive, i think the price should be around 800 dollars not 1K, i think most people would just buy HD800.
post #3419 of 3534

I'll just leave this here.

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD700.pdf

 

I'm a bit disappointed.

post #3420 of 3534
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Originally Posted by the fool View Post

This headphone is too expensive, i think the price should be around 800 dollars not 1K, i think most people would just buy HD800.

 

 

800 vs 1000 is not really a big difference. Those who can cash out 800 for headphones wont have problems with giving 1000 either. Pls Sennheiser, reduce the price to 500$, until I buy them, then you can put it back up to 1000$.  I'll write a very positive review on head-fi, I promise. :P

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