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Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

You are completely right. If you actually read through the post on facebook, he says the upgrade may require for some the replacement of their shell or the transducer....doesn't sound like something cheap, yet he's providing this service at fairly low cost especially considering he's including shipping in that price. Sorry it doesn't work out for some, but it's an optional upgrade. Though if you're really unhappy about all the costs with shipping, wait a few months, maybe it might be worth it if you want to upgrade to the ASG-2's whenever those come out. Then the costs might be more understandable/reasonable.

I suppose most of the friendly comments (not only yours) are directed to me.

 

Just to be clear: I'm not mad at anyone and I'm very calm. Proof is I had a little chat with Matt from Springtree, nothing violent, just some nice discussion. wink.gif

 

I think most people confuse 2 things: fixing the shoutiness in the mids (which was supposed to be done with the filters) and getting a full upgrade (which includes the filter fix but also some work on the driver and the aesthetic change on the housings).

To me these are different things: the first one is what's needed so ASG-1 can be daily used, the second is like a completely new product with bonuses.

 

And I think most US forumers don't realize what the proposed shipping costs really are for international customers (I'm waiting for confirmation from Aurisonics):

 

- A 20$ full upgrade plus 15$ of shipping ASG-1 to Aurisonics can be considered cheap for US customers.

 

- A 20$ full upgrade plus 35$ int shipping to Aurisonics plus 52.40$ of int shipping back is much less enticing for the rest of the world, when the only parts which is really needed are the filters. Even if I was willing to pay that much for the full upgrade, why wasting 52.40$ on USPS when they never deliver on time (2-3 days is more like 2-3 weeks), while any serious worldwide transporter will do it correctly (and for less money).

 

Am I asking for the impossible? No, just that the filter option alone should be made available, and that Aurisonics and Springtree may envision that USPS is the last transporter you want to use for international shipping.

How bad can it be to have UPS or Fedex pick up parcels directly at your work place everyday ? They do this worldwide for more people that USPS will ever do, and (bonus) for a cheaper price too. They also handle taxes in the place of customs, which USPS never does (hence the insane added custom delays).

It took me half a day to set up daily deliveries with Fedex and UPS for my company, a minor time investment very quickly rewarded. Bonus: if UPS/Fedex fail at delivering on time, shipping fees are entirely refunded. I highly doubt USPS or most national mail companies do this.

 

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Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

When you buy a product and it doesn't deliver what it says it will, that's a problem, but people here bought the ASG-1's, knowing (at least it was well documented on their website) that they were meant for musicians mainly

 

 

Just for the record, I don't think "professional musicians" (using Aurisonics' own words) are more willing than others to have their ears litterally ringing upon hearing female vocals. For live/studio sessions, it's more about having a neutral and non fatiguing signature with great isolation, which is only achievable with the filters or some heavy EQ-ing.

I happen to play violin and guitar. Violin recording with the ASG-1 is just as much eardrum pain as female vocals are when I reach high-pitched notes.

 

Not far from "defective", wouldn't you say ? Search the forums and find any other IEM whose sound is making ears ring (it can't be very good for the hearing by the way). You won't find any. A bit of sibilence in the treble (a common problem with some IEMs) is nothing in comparison. basshead.gif

 

 

Last note: with DIY filters, ASG-1 are great sounding: neutral and relaxed, it's not like there's much to fix to satisfy most customers. I wouldn't explain things in such details if the product was that bad. biggrin.gif

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These IEMs don't make my ears ring. The only IEM that has come close to doing that was the Moshi Clarus (I later figured out that the ringing was resonance from the driver's chamber after shutting it off). That said, these don't make my ears ring, nor do they hurt them.
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

These IEMs don't make my ears ring. The only IEM that has come close to doing that was the Moshi Clarus (I later figured out that the ringing was resonance from the driver's chamber after shutting it off). That said, these don't make my ears ring, nor do they hurt them.

No they are no even close to pain or even fatigue any more! They are really quite amazing!
 

 

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These IEMs don't make my ears ring. The only IEM that has come close to doing that was the Moshi Clarus (I later figured out that the ringing was resonance from the driver's chamber after shutting it off). That said, these don't make my ears ring, nor do they hurt them.

Are going to review each user now ? wink.gif

 

The "it didn't happen to me so it can't be true" thing is pointless.

 

The shoutiness was clearly demonstrated, otherwise we wouldn't have a revision 1.2 with nice graphes to illustrate the changes, so let's not start sterile posting.

 

I'm not asking anything for free, just some reasonable pricing for a few international buyers.

It's not like they sold 100 ASG-1 outside the US, they could just make a gesture to a few customers, or even listen to technical solutions to lower shipping prices. I'm sending Research samples back and forth from France to California everyday (>10kg) and I'm not paying UPS/Fedex 52.40$ per shipment. The delivery time is usually 2-3 days at your door.  

 

Please note that most companies don't charge for shipping back to customers, only for repair, since you also already have to pay to ship things to the manufacturer. It's more or less what Aurisonics wants to do with US customers (shipping is included), so why heavily charging a few international ones for a service which will be bad anyway ? (not the repair, the USPS part)
 

 


Edited by tienbasse - 4/17/12 at 1:19pm
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These are labelled as stage monitors not studio monitors. Studio monitors are meant to be neutral and isolated, while stage monitors like the AS-1b are meant to allow the singer to hear themselves over the instruments as well as some audience reaction (ambience port). The ASG is the universal byproduct of the AS-1b so it wont be as tune-able as intended. Nonetheless, it is meant to emphasize the vocal range for better hearing over all else.  But I never experienced eardrum pain with these, especially now that the mids are much more settled, absolutely beautiful :)

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Just for the record, I don't think "professional musicians" (using Aurisonics' own words) are more willing than others to have their ears litterally ringing upon hearing female vocals. For live/studio sessions, it's more about having a neutral and non fatiguing signature with great isolation, which is only achievable with the filters or some heavy EQ-ing.

I happen to play violin and guitar. Violin recording with the ASG-1 is just as much eardrum pain as female vocals are when I reach high-pitched notes.

 

Last note: with DIY filters, ASG-1 are great sounding: neutral and relaxed, it's not like there's much to fix to satisfy most customers. I wouldn't explain things in such details if the product was that bad. biggrin.gif

 

 

I do understand your issue with the Fedex/UPS shipping policie though, they are much better for international. 

 

Also long as your DIY filters are helping cut down the shoutiness, its probably is very close to the effects of the actual filters installed. I recently tried putting self rolled cotton balls vs the prototype filters and it's very close in the achieved effect. So your DIY should be more than sufficient to tide you over until the ASG2's ? 

 

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Originally Posted by tienbasse View Post

Are going to review each user now ? wink.gif

 

The "it didn't happen to me so it can't be true" thing is pointless.

 

The shoutiness was clearly demonstrated, otherwise we wouldn't have a revision 1.2 with nice graphes to illustrate the changes, so let's not start sterile posting.

 

I'm not asking anything for free, just some reasonable pricing for a few international buyers.

It's not like they sold 100 ASG-1 outside the US, they could just make a gesture to a few customers, or even listen to technical solutions to lower shipping prices. I'm sending Research samples back and forth from France to California everyday (>10kg) and I'm not paying UPS/Fedex 52.40$ per shipment. The delivery time is usually 2-3 days at your door.  

 

Please note that most companies don't charge for shipping back to customers, only for repair, since you also already have to pay to ship things to the manufacturer. It's more or less what Aurisonics wants to do with US customers (shipping is included), so why heavily charging a few international ones for a service which will be bad anyway ? (not the repair, the USPS part)
 

 



I'm not saying you're not hearing ringing (I'll believe that you hear ringing, I heard ringing in the MEE A151 when everyone doesn't), I'm saying not everyone will.  There are a lot of people who don't get that impression.  As you stated:



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Originally Posted by tienbasse View Post

Just for the record, I don't think "professional musicians" (using Aurisonics' own words) are more willing than others to have their ears litterally ringing upon hearing female vocals. For live/studio sessions, it's more about having a neutral and non fatiguing signature with great isolation, which is only achievable with the filters or some heavy EQ-ing.

I happen to play violin and guitar. Violin recording with the ASG-1 is just as much eardrum pain as female vocals are when I reach high-pitched notes.


You make the assumption that the professional musician will get ringing upon hearing female vocals.  YOu go further to say they will also get eardrum pain.  Both of these statements are misleading and false.

 

There is more than one reason why things ring, but it's not normal for things to ring and resonate like you describe.  In the case for me with the MEE A151, I would probably say it's more of a ear canal length which is just the right distance to cause a resonance around the 2k region.  As for you, I wouldn't know.  Have you tested other tips, insertion depths, etc? 


Edited by tinyman392 - 4/17/12 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by AuralHygiene View Post

I do understand your issue with the Fedex/UPS shipping policie though, they are much better for international. 

 

Also long as your DIY filters are helping cut down the shoutiness, its probably is very close to the effects of the actual filters installed. I recently tried putting self rolled cotton balls vs the prototype filters and it's very close in the achieved effect. So your DIY should be more than sufficient to tide you over until the ASG2's ? 

 

You may be right about waiting.

 

I just got a word with Dale from Aurisonics, excellent feedback, he proposed several satisfactory options for international customers.

Kudos to him, quick and precise answers, no commercial BS.

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I emailed Dale about sending my asg-1's in for the 1.2 rev, only because the frequency chart looked rather smooth redface.gif.  He replied to me within 15 minutes, and even stated that he likes to treat his customers as a family.  I'm sending them out tomorrow, as I wait for my paypal invoice right now! I cant wait to get the 1.2 rev! I guess Ill just have to survive with my etymotic ER4S and my fiio e11 amp until the 1.2 rev gets back! big thanks to dale for the quick service!biggrin.gif

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You may be right about waiting.

 

I just got a word with Dale from Aurisonics, excellent feedback, he proposed several satisfactory options for international customers.

Kudos to him, quick and precise answers, no commercial BS.

 

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I emailed Dale about sending my asg-1's in for the 1.2 rev, only because the frequency chart looked rather smooth redface.gif.  He replied to me within 15 minutes, and even stated that he likes to treat his customers as a family.  I'm sending them out tomorrow, as I wait for my paypal invoice right now! I cant wait to get the 1.2 rev! I guess Ill just have to survive with my etymotic ER4S and my fiio e11 amp until the 1.2 rev gets back! big thanks to dale for the quick service!biggrin.gif


WE all may not agree upon exactly how they sound (in reference to mids among other things), but I'm sure we can all agree Aurisonics has wonder CS right now :) 

 

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WE all may not agree upon exactly how they sound (in reference to mids among other things), but I'm sure we can all agree Aurisonics has wonder CS right now :) 

 


thats for sure. I already liked them as they sounded! But the mids and highs needed smoothing out on some songs for sure!  They sounded great on some songs, but just were just like "EEEK" on some songs. Can't wait to get them back!

 

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thats for sure. I already liked them as they sounded! But the mids and highs needed smoothing out on some songs for sure!  They sounded great on some songs, but just were just like "EEEK" on some songs. Can't wait to get them back!

 




I got that impression in the first 10 hours with them.  They smooth out a lot with break in (for me anyways).

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I got that impression in the first 10 hours with them.  They smooth out a lot with break in (for me anyways).


 

still.. There is no point in leaving an underlying problem with them.  I'm sure when they come back in up to 3 weeks:'( I wanted to use them for competition) they will sound like a top tier IEM.  When the right song is played, the asg-1's sound gorgeous.

 

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still.. There is no point in leaving an underlying problem with them.  I'm sure when they come back in up to 3 weeks:'( I wanted to use them for competition) they will sound like a top tier IEM.  When the right song is played, the asg-1's sound gorgeous.

 




I get that with most songs now, there are a select few that sound absolutely amazing, but nothing that makes me go eek. I actually went back to the songs that made me go eek to confirm :p  I used to skip them right away in the first 10-20 hours, but I eventually went through one and was like...  :)

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I get that with most songs now, there are a select few that sound absolutely amazing, but nothing that makes me go eek. I actually went back to the songs that made me go eek to confirm :p  I used to skip them right away in the first 10-20 hours, but I eventually went through one and was like...  :)

whenever I get them back in 3 weeks Ill go from :O to :DDDDDD
 

 

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whenever I get them back in 3 weeks Ill go from :O to :DDDDDD
 

 



LOL :D

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