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Do the filters increase highs, or filter some out.  I've been hearing that they filter some out, so I was curious about that :p 



It's the same or a bit less from what I hear, give me a bit more time to A/B them. It's a real hassle though as I have to fish out the filters with a pin every time I want to take them out and hope I don't break them.

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It's the same or a bit less from what I hear, give me a bit more time to A/B them. It's a real hassle though as I have to fish out the filters with a pin every time I want to take them out and hope I don't break them.



LOL, if it risks breaking the filters, I don't think it's worth it :p  It's OK, I'll find out what filtered sound is like when they are released :)

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filters are to EQ the sound?

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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

Do the filters increase highs, or filter some out.  I've been hearing that they filter some out, so I was curious about that :p 



 

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filters are to EQ the sound?



 

 

Filters lower the loudness of certain frequencies using resonance if I'm correct to cancel out some noise.  It isn't an EQ, more of an analog reshaping.
 

 

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toaato and tomato same thing , filters lower or raise the treble etc. thats what an EQ does.

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Filters lower the loudness of certain frequencies using resonance if I'm correct to cancel out some noise.  It isn't an EQ, more of an analog reshaping.
 

 



 

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toaato and tomato same thing , filters lower or raise the treble etc. thats what an EQ does.



 



Technically, they do the same thing.  However, filter is still better than EQ for two main reasons:

  • filters are engineered (so they are professionally "tuned" to do a certain thing) while EQs are not.
  • filters are natural and analog while *most* EQs are not.

 

From most people's standpoints however, you are correct, filters do EQ down certain areas.  Unlike an EQ though, filters will rarely ever boost a certain area up (they will always act as resistance for certain frequencies of sound). 

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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

Do the filters increase highs, or filter some out.  I've been hearing that they filter some out, so I was curious about that :p 


Filters are a subtractive medium and can only remove things. Increases are created relative to what is removed, not through a gain of any kind.
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@jrkong
I'm not exactly sure why you expected filters to increase treble. They could only do so relatively.

I never said I expected a treble increase, I just said that I still need to EQ the treble to get my desired sound. It was expected but remember I'm just writing what I hear. Besides there might be those who expect otherwise.
 

 


That was kind of my point. You seemed disappointed that you still had to EQ the treble and I was saying that I didn't know where the expectation came from that created a situation where the filters failed to live up to that expectation causing disappointment since filters can only create an apparent increase in something (what you EQ) by relatively decreasing something else.




Anyway, that's my understanding guys and if someone who knows the science better wants to correct me, please do.
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LOL, if it risks breaking the filters, I don't think it's worth it :p  It's OK, I'll find out what filtered sound is like when they are released :)



Well I am using prototypes so give it some slack, and don't worry I'm sure the final filters won't break or that would tick quite a number of people off


 

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toaato and tomato same thing , filters lower or raise the treble etc. thats what an EQ does.



 


I see you only care about results and nothing about the execution ;)

 

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exactly

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Well I am using prototypes so give it some slack, and don't worry I'm sure the final filters won't break or that would tick quite a number of people off


 


I see you only care about results and nothing about the execution ;)

 



 

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Maybe the engineer wants it to be high treble or harsh meds

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Technically, they do the same thing.  However, filter is still better than EQ for two main reasons:

  • filters are engineered (so they are professionally "tuned" to do a certain thing) while EQs are not.
  • filters are natural and analog while *most* EQs are not.

 

From most people's standpoints however, you are correct, filters do EQ down certain areas.  Unlike an EQ though, filters will rarely ever boost a certain area up (they will always act as resistance for certain frequencies of sound). 



 

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Filters are a subtractive medium and can only remove things. Increases are created relative to what is removed, not through a gain of any kind.
That was kind of my point. You seemed disappointed that you still had to EQ the treble and I was saying that I didn't know where the expectation came from that created a situation where the filters failed to live up to that expectation causing disappointment since filters can only create an apparent increase in something (what you EQ) by relatively decreasing something else.
Anyway, that's my understanding guys and if someone who knows the science better wants to correct me, please do.


Thanks for the information, it's well appreciated :)

 



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Well I am using prototypes so give it some slack, and don't worry I'm sure the final filters won't break or that would tick quite a number of people off


 


I see you only care about results and nothing about the execution ;)

 


I meant that it's not worth takin them on and off with the risk of them breaking at this point in time.  In otherwords, I don't want you to break the filters to give me impressions when I will be getting them in the future :p

 



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Maybe the engineer wants it to be high treble or harsh meds



 


Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. 

 

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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post


That was kind of my point. You seemed disappointed that you still had to EQ the treble and I was saying that I didn't know where the expectation came from that created a situation where the filters failed to live up to that expectation causing disappointment since filters can only create an apparent increase in something (what you EQ) by relatively decreasing something else.


Well the only annoyance I find with EQing the even with the filters is not all devices have EQ or have decent EQ. Personally I wouldn't mind having the bass and mids taken down another notch by the filters to bring out the treble a bit more but I'm no physicist so I don't know how the filter material will affect the sound.

 


 

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I meant that it's not worth takin them on and off with the risk of them breaking at this point in time.  In otherwords, I don't want you to break the filters to give me impressions when I will be getting them in the future :p

 


I was going to do an A/B anyways so I'm gonna take the risk either way 

 

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I was going to do an A/B anyways so I'm gonna take the risk either way 

 



OK, sounds good.  Awaiting your results :p 

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The very first time I saw that opening/hole nozzle, I felt there was something wrong with it...

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and after some 20hrs of break-in, the shoutiness - though it has toned down already - is still there. I can already listen to Whitney Houston's I Have Nothing but in The Crow's OST - Jane Siberry's It Can't Rain All The Time - is a track that really bores my brain with that excruciating ringing or shoutiness.

 

Then I thought why not I make my own filter and got an idea from the DBAs. I accidentally removed the filters on my DBAs while tips rolling and noticed that the (dark) filters has some 4 holes on it when looked at against the light so...

 

Ladies? and gentlemen - the dogears filter:

 

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I cut 4 squares of the 3M Micropore tape then put two layers on each nozzle.

I then punched 4 holes on it [edit: using a pin, it can get sticky so wipe it every after hole). Listened and punch 2 more and ended up with 7 as seen on the picture I took. It's 1AM over here when I started experimenting and it's already 3AM biggrin.gif

The picture is already digitally enhanced (edit: the holes were enhanced in MSpaint) to emphasize/approximate the holes I ended up with. You can decide for yourself how big/many holes should you put on your filters - it's very "tunable" wink.gif

With this, I can already safely listen to the Jane Siberry track and went through my test tracks. Whitney Houston sounds great again biggrin.gif

The shoutiness is definitely gone BUT I am still wishing for more treble which I think is unaffected by this tweak. It doesn't stop me from enjoying the sound though.

Since this is very reversible, I am planning to remove it next week when I reach some 200 hours play time on the ASG1s and see if it still has improved/changed.

In the meantime, I'll enjoy it with the filters on cool.gif

Got to hit the bed already biggrin.gif


Edited by dogears - 4/13/12 at 12:52pm
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OK I think we should refresh our definition of "shouty", anyone?

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