You're the one that's invalidating everyone else's opinions by saying we're forming them too early. I seriously doubt if I waited the magical 300 hour mark, I'd hear them the same as you. You seem to be able to tell others what they are hearing or why they are hearing it a certain way but when someone points out your hypocrisy, it upsets you.
You can believe what you will about the hours upon hours mechanical break in that are necessary for a driver to sound it's best, just don't tell me my opinion was rendered too early b/c I don't have 200 or 300 hours. That's my issue with your statement and my response has been properly reasoned.
Honestly, I didn't invalidate your responses, I just made a note that this property goes away after x hours. It happens to all headphones. There is no magical mark, heck I haven't even hit 300 yet, I'm on the verge of hitting 200. What I'm trying to say is don't judge these without giving them a chance. That seems to be what everyone around here is doing. They go on, listen for 20 hours and say it's too shouty and essentially crap. If they had waited another week, the shoutyness would have dropped a lot (and by a lot, I mean, go away).
It's like reading the first 20 pages of a book, and saying it's crap and that the story got no where. Then we find out the book is 1000 pages long. My statement goes as follows: give the thing a chance (which means hear it as is, no EQs; let brain burn in take effect if it is needed; as well as mechanical burn in) before saying it has this property and will always have this property. I have no problems with anyone saying they are shouty, but saying that they will always be shouty is a false statement as the shoutyness becomes less than that of an Etymotic (direct comparisons to not one pair of Etymotics, but two) with time.
And as Eke stated, no one ever called the Etymotic shouty (mainly because it wasn't shouty enough; but does have the shouty property, I can hear what was described in the Tips thread in both of my Etymotics).
Now, if you actually get a pair of Etymotics and compare it to the ASGs, and still hear the shoutyness in the ASGs, tell me what the heck shoutyness is as it means I still don't have the definition down yet (I'm using one that was given in the Tips thread).
Edited by tinyman392 - 4/1/12 at 5:38pm