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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post


 

Interesting that hardly anybody has mentioned the 16mm Sony driver on the EX1000 needs burn-in at all. The EX1000 thread was started 13 months ago and is 173 pages long.

 

Even if what what you said was true --and you'll excuse for being very sceptical of such claims-- I'd still strongly encourage people to listen to their sets right from the start, so that at least they can tell whether burn-in is real, or at least real to their ears. In my experience, what people call burn-in isn't really so but something else, but I DO NOT want start a debate on whether burn-in is real or not.

 

You can of course listen once at the start for reference, but full brain burn-in from such a peculiar signature would require progressive sessions to take place, so it's more than that (I don't deny brain adaptation but it takes time to occur).

As a material scientist, I do believe that burn-in of dynamic driver is theoritically possible (due to their cellulosic nature, which is delicate and sensitive to environment) while burn-in of armature-based drivers is unlikely (due to their metallic nature, making their properties pretty stable in usual environments).

 

Can't comment on the EX1000 though, I would have to try them first. wink.gif

 

post #2177 of 2761
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Originally Posted by tienbasse View Post

..burned them for at least 100 hours. The change in bass and mids is quite dramatic (for the best) and this is no brain burn-in, the 15mm driver really needs it, it's probably a bit stiff when it's brand new

 


+1

 

I believe in burn in & not just of the brain.

 

 

Don't just take my word for it.

 

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Originally Posted by SpringtreeMatt View Post

Also, I would give the ASG-1's some burn in time since it is a dynamic driver.. .

 


Edited by archy121 - 3/31/12 at 3:38pm
post #2178 of 2761
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

 

 

  :)

 

BTW, I added another paragraph to my previous post (probably while you were replying to my post).



That happens to me a lot. I also subscribe to the listen to them from the start philosophy. I like to hear changes if there are any, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't mostly because I'm impatient.

post #2179 of 2761
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Originally Posted by archy121 View Post

 

Don't just take my word for it.

 

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Originally Posted by SpringtreeMatt View Post

Also, I would give the ASG-1's some burn in time since it is a dynamic driver.. .

 

 

 

Not to say anything about him being wrong or right because that's beside the point, but I don't see what exactly gives that source great credibility, not to mention impartiality.
 

 

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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

 

Not to say anything about him being wrong or right because that's beside the point, but I don't see what exactly gives that source great credibility, not to mention impartiality.
 

 


 

Just another opinion on Burn-in from someone that works in the professional music industry. Wouldn't call that zero credibility.

 

And why would his opinion be biased towards the Burn-in of phones ?

In fact why does the word impartiality come into the sentence ?

He is not selling "Burn-in" ?

 

Please explain as you have me stumped  confused_face_2.gif

 

 

 

BTW: As well as Aurisonics, Spring Tree sell other manufacturer equipment incl. phones.

 

 

post #2181 of 2761
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Originally Posted by archy121 View Post

 


 

Just another opinion on Burn-in from someone that works in the professional music industry. Wouldn't call that zero credibility.

 

And why would his opinion be biased towards the Burn-in of phones ?

In fact why does the word impartiality come into the sentence ?

He is not selling "Burn-in" ?

 

Please explain as you have me stumped  confused_face_2.gif

 

 

 

BTW: As well as Aurisonics, Spring Tree sell other manufacturer equipment incl. phones.

 

 




I never said zero credibility. I just think you were implying that it was more than it should be.

 

His opinion has nothing to do with it. It's in his company's and the stakeholders in his company's best interest that people like the products they sell, return policy or not. Allowing people more time with any product just creates more opportunity for that.

 

The very fact that he works for a company that has anything to do with the product makes it subject to a claim of impartiality whether or not he is actually impartial. It really has nothing to do with him at all. If he had a PHD in Material Science and Engineering but worked for anyone having to do with the product, that at the very least puts a question mark on impartiality which inherently undermines credibility.


Edited by vwinter - 3/31/12 at 5:34pm
post #2182 of 2761

Can someone do a macro shot of the filters? O_o

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That Sony is nice but its not a bass heavy earphone at all even though it has a huge driver its not bassy.
 

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Originally Posted by tienbasse View Post

Even after 100 hours of burn-in , and despite the great bass, clear mids and nice treble, I still have to EQ the higher mids down a lot (-2 to -4dB) to avoid ringing in my eardrums with female voices. So trust me, I'm gonna appreciate the gesture.

I just hope this won't make the excellent forward imaging disappear completely, because this is something very unique to ASG-1s, which makes me keep them beside my SE535Ltd (for the amazing mids).
 

This makes more sense. But in a calm environment, this is very fatiguing. wink.gif
 

 

Anyway, my only advice for buyers would be: don't listen to ASG-1 AT ALL before you have burned them for at least 100 hours. The change in bass and mids is quite dramatic (for the best) and this is no brain burn-in, the 15mm driver really needs it, it's probably a bit stiff when it's brand new

 



 



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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post


Maybe Sony burned them all in biggrin.gif

 

Man, I really want to hear that EX1000... great now you've depressed me.



 

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FWIW, I have not experienced any tremendous changes in the ASG-1 after allowing them to "burn-in" over several days. The burn-in I've experienced with the ASG-1 is purely mental in my estimation. Even after letting them play for several days, putting them on I find them difficult to like at first, and gradually my brain adjusts the longer I listen to them.

 

Of course, I don't believe in physical burn-in anyway, but I have a practice of allowing headphones/earphones I don't immediately 'jive with' to burn-in regardless. I figure it can't hurt and offers another opportunity to observe a potential change.

 

Really I'm just adding my own subjective experience to the mix. Not trying to start a debate.


Edited by MuppetFace - 4/1/12 at 2:59am
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Hi everyone,

I'm new to the head-fi thing. I would like to thanks ericp10 and aurisonics for this product. without ericp10 post about the ASG-1 opinion/review, i would not have bought this product. And of cause without dale & aurisonics i would not have been able to find my fav earphone that fit my sound signature this fast.

This indeed just like the review says, have the forward imaging (which i like alot) and also the clarity/detail of the mid are at the top. For the comfort & fit issue, i'm just glad this fit very well to my ear & provide sufficient isolation (even with stock tips) for my usage on the noisy environment such as on flight.

And about the burn in, during the 1st time listening this out of box, the bass are very soft & totally no impact. however, after i use this for some time, i notice that the bass gradually come in and is abit punchy in my ears now. ( my personal opinion, might be due to my mental getting used to this? Anyways, i'm not a bass lover =))

However, The 'shouty mids' as mentioned indeed present and is uncomfortable at some songs. that's the only thing that i might complaint about this earphone.
Other than that, i'm perfectly sastified with the product.

P.S. I'm really looking forward to the dual driver. i wonder what it's sound signature will sound like? =)

post #2186 of 2761
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Originally Posted by bmiamihk View Post


That Sony is nice but its not a bass heavy earphone at all even though it has a huge driver its not bassy.
 

 


The ASG-1 isn't a bass heavy phone either. This is why I asked you if you've personally compared the Future Sonics to the Aurisonics.


Edited by tinyman392 - 4/1/12 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by Fifen View Post

Hi everyone,

I'm new to the head-fi thing. I would like to thanks ericp10 and aurisonics for this product. without ericp10 post about the ASG-1 opinion/review, i would not have bought this product. And of cause without dale & aurisonics i would not have been able to find my fav earphone that fit my sound signature this fast.

This indeed just like the review says, have the forward imaging (which i like alot) and also the clarity/detail of the mid are at the top. For the comfort & fit issue, i'm just glad this fit very well to my ear & provide sufficient isolation (even with stock tips) for my usage on the noisy environment such as on flight.

And about the burn in, during the 1st time listening this out of box, the bass are very soft & totally no impact. however, after i use this for some time, i notice that the bass gradually come in and is abit punchy in my ears now. ( my personal opinion, might be due to my mental getting used to this? Anyways, i'm not a bass lover =))

However, The 'shouty mids' as mentioned indeed present and is uncomfortable at some songs. that's the only thing that i might complaint about this earphone.
Other than that, i'm perfectly sastified with the product.

P.S. I'm really looking forward to the dual driver. i wonder what it's sound signature will sound like? =)



Fifen thanks for the compliment (I'm sure Aurisonics appreciate it even more). I would suggest playing around with the fit if you feel the bass is lite (I don't think the bass is light at all, but you must get the right seal and fit for it to perform at max). Now, if the it's just the right bass for you then that's the most important part. I don't believe the ASG-2 will sound like the ASG-1,but the good people at Aurisonics can answer that question better than I can. The "shouty" mids will dissipate over time, or you can look at purchasing the filter that are being developed. I still love the other IEMs I own, but the ASG-1 takes up a good 80 percent (or more) of my listening time currently. Happy listening.

post #2188 of 2761
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

FWIW, I have not experienced any tremendous changes in the ASG-1 after allowing them to "burn-in" over several days. The burn-in I've experienced with the ASG-1 is purely mental in my estimation. Even after letting them play for several days, putting them on I find them difficult to like at first, and gradually my brain adjusts the longer I listen to them.

 

Of course, I don't believe in physical burn-in anyway, but I have a practice of allowing headphones/earphones I don't immediately 'jive with' to burn-in regardless. I figure it can't hurt and offers another opportunity to observe a potential change.

 

Really I'm just adding my own subjective experience to the mix. Not trying to start a debate.


I've experienced some tremendous changes while letting them burn in without listening to them.  Multiple times as well over the first 100 hours.  There is no way it can be mental since I wasn't listening to them (thusly my brain can't "adjust" to them if I don't have them in).  I do agree that these do take some mental adjustments for some, which came in the first few seconds of listening to these for me.  I can't deny that the drive physical changed over time though (sound-wise)

 

post #2189 of 2761
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post


I've experienced some tremendous changes while letting them burn in without listening to them.  Multiple times as well over the first 100 hours.  There is no way it can be mental since I wasn't listening to them (thusly my brain can't "adjust" to them if I don't have them in).  I do agree that these do take some mental adjustments for some, which came in the first few seconds of listening to these for me.  I can't deny that the drive physical changed over time though (sound-wise)

 



I don't presume to dispute your hearing a genuine physical change, and I won't deny physical changes can take place. I haven't necessarily experienced evidence to the contrary, despite a lack of evidence in the affirmative. I would like to point one thing out however before tabling this discussion on my end:

 

One needn't listen to headphones / earphones continuously to have a different mental perception of them. Changes in mental perception aren't just about gradually adjusting or getting used to a particular sound. There are many times when, having not listened to a headphone for a few days, I find they sound totally different to me, and that's without letting them play continuously. Listening at two different points in time can most certainly yield entirely different perceptions of how they sound, entirely contrary to the idea of gradual adjustment over time (ie. continuous listening). Most recently this happened with my W3000ANV headphones: I found their sound captivating for a month or two, but then I went through a period of finding them shrill and obnoxious, only to return to them a few weeks later and find their sound captivating once again. With the ASG-1, I haven't experienced anything quite so extreme thus far. I find my perception of the sound is fairly consistent, and I require about 15 or so minutes for my ears to adjust to them. I would say this isn't really mental burn-in though: more akin to simple mental adjustment or acclimation.

 

Anyway, I have little else to add, and I most certainly don't want to spark another tired burn-in debate, so I will graciously excuse myself here.


Edited by MuppetFace - 4/1/12 at 11:09am
post #2190 of 2761
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post



I don't presume to dispute your hearing a genuine physical change, and I won't deny physical changes can take place. I haven't necessarily experienced evidence to the contrary, despite a lack of evidence in the affirmative. I would like to point one thing out however before tabling this discussion on my end:

 

One needn't listen to headphones / earphones continuously to have a different mental perception of them. Changes in mental perception aren't just about gradually adjusting or getting used to a particular sound. There are many times when, having not listened to a headphone for a few days, I find they sound totally different to me, and that's without letting them play continuously. Listening at two different points in time can most certainly yield entirely different perceptions of how they sound, entirely contrary to the idea of gradual adjustment over time (ie. continuous listening). Most recently this happened with my W3000ANV headphones: I found their sound captivating for a month or two, but then I went through a period of finding them shrill and obnoxious, only to return to them a few weeks later and find their sound captivating once again. With the ASG-1, I haven't experienced anything quite so extreme thus far. I find my perception of the sound is fairly consistent, and I require about 15 or so minutes for my ears to adjust to them. I would say this isn't really mental burn-in though: more akin to simple mental adjustment or acclimation.

 

Anyway, I have little else to add, and I most certainly don't want to spark another tired burn-in debate, so I will graciously excuse myself here.

Before you go Muppetface have you got nothing to say in terms of your enjoyment of this headphone, as at the end of the day it is a impression thread :P
 

 

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