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What are Audeo's? Anything out there more "natural" sounding with warm highs & mids under 400.00 than the ASG-1?

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Also.. I believe the IEM should sound awesome without adding a filter to fix the mids.



All Phonaks have filters that actually filter out the mids more than anything really.  The grey filters filter out the higher mids, the black ones filter out the the mid-mids up to the high-mids, and the green filters filter out the mid-mids, high-mids, and some of the highs as well.  Phonak is regarded as being one of the highest quality IEMs for the price on Head-Fi.  Filters are actually really nice as they allow you to change the sound through an analog matter without playing with EQs (and are professionally tuned as well).

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What are Audeo's? Anything out there more "natural" sounding with warm highs & mids under 400.00 than the ASG-1?



Phonak Audeo is a line of headphones from Phonak (the hearing aid company).  They are regarded as being some of the highest quality IEMs available on Head-Fi and they are.  It depends on your definition of "natural".  But the PFE1xx series with black filters are definitely warmer in the midrange.  They shine a little more in the highs in comparison to the ASGs. 

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@Morlock  If you want a natural sound, the same sound coming from your amp, then I definitely do not recommend the ASG-1's. It is mid-forward but not natural. I would get the GR07's and burn them in overnight for a couple of days to tame any possible sibilance. My old pair had absolutely no sibilance although ymmv. The GR07's are neutral and very natural and warm after burn in. 

 

Just look at all the eq talk in this thread. The ASG's aren't for you unless you're going to eq them somehow. Hope this helps and of course get a second opinion.

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Hi There..  I'm a Spanish guitarist buying a sound system today. I wasn't sure which way to go as far as monitoring since I will be miking the guitar with a stereo mic set-up. I will be performing to backing tracks with no one else on stage. I originally wanted to use a wedge in front of the mics and bleed some sound back but then thought since I will have the mixing board by me (on stage) with no sound man was to go with IEM's to avoid a mess. I had the ASG-1's on my list. I have gigs lined up for 3 weeks from now and I'm starting to panic because I'm hearing about the shouty mids and hollow echoey sound. The last thing I want is my "woody acoustic" tone to be altered. I want to hear what I am putting out the front speakers. Is there an alternative IEM in this price or even just a bit more $ that doesn't have the forward mids? Just nice smooth and "natural"? Or do you think I could get away with using a wedge.   It's a set it and forget it type deal as far as the sound. Again.. I will have a stereo pair of mics directly on the guitar (cardoids) so bleeding should not be bad. Any advice from you or anyone would be so much appreciated! Just need to wrap up this deal as the dealer is starting to get irritated with my nit picking. Oh.. well.. just a tone freak I guess..lol

 

Thank you sir!

 

Morlock



Hi Morlock. I'm using Diego El Cigala's "Garganta Con Arena" as a reference. I have the ASG-1 (with over 200hrs of burn in, so the shoutiness is gone for the most part) on hand , and I'm looking at how they present the music.

 

The obvious focus here is the vocals. It is the most forward part of the sound, and everything else takes a backseat. It dissects every breath that could could ever even think of leaving your lips. However, the guitar suffers because of this and falls behind in the presentation. You'll still hear every pluck, but it won't quite have that woody timbre you want. I wouldn't describe the mids as smooth and natural either. Would you or someone else be singing while playing the guitar?

 

Directly comparing to the GR07, I'm hearing the guitars to be perfectly in line with the music. I can hear the resonance of the wood (the GR07's timbre is amazing), and micro detail is about the same. You're going to be on stage, so the GR07's soundstage presentation will be great as well. If you want natural, then the GR07 is for you.

 


Edited by eke2k6 - 3/30/12 at 11:58am
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I've been spending quite a bit of time with the ASG's the past few days & I've grown to like them quite a bit... particularly with my desktop DAC/amp (TubeDAC-11, which l pumped the ASG's through for six hours yesterday).  They have better clarity & dynamics, while tightening & refining quite nicely with the added power.  Unamped, they sound a little 'ragged' at the edges and lack dynamics.  I found imaging to be more accurate and slightly more speaker-like with a good DAC/amp in chain.  The ASG's slightly dry tonality is nice change of pace to my other more natural/slightly-warm sounding phones.

 

The general tuning & spacious nature of the ASG reminds me of my (beloved) Fischer Audio Silver Bullet in some ways.  While the SB is also (ever so slightly) mid-forward, it isn't to the extent the ASG is (the SB possesses no 'shouty' vocals, either).  Both phones are impressively smooth, but the SB is more natural sounding since it's neutral tuning is on the slightly warm & lush side (making it better suited for long term, audiophile-friendly listening).  The SB matches the ASG in terms of soundstage width, but I find the SB to have a slightly deeper soundstage.  Also, the SB doesn't sound quite as distant as the ASG does.  The ASG's dry tonality boasts better clarity & detail.. as well as sounding cleaner from end to end.  While the SB's bass is thicker and more full, the ASG's bass has better texture, speed, and clarity.  It'll be fun to compare the SB filtered version of the ASG, though. I think they might have more in common as initial reports seem to bring it more in line with the SB's tuning curve.

 

The ASG-1's driver has impressively natural timbre, but I hope Dale develops another phone with it that's specifically tuned with more of a full, natural frequency curve.  I think the filtered version (I'll be receiving the prototype soon) takes some steps toward this but I'd like to hear this what this driver is capable of when natively tuned for a more natural (or audiophile-friendly) response.

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Hi Morlock. I'm using Diego El Cigala's "Garganta Con Arena" as a reference. I have the ASG-1 (with over 200hrs of burn in, so the shoutiness is gone for the most part) on hand , and I'm looking at how they present the music.

 

The obvious focus here is the vocals. It is the most forward part of the sound, and everything else takes a backseat. It dissects every breath that could could ever even think of leaving your lips. However, the guitar suffers because of this and falls behind in the presentation. You'll still hear every pluck, but it won't quite have that woody timbre you want. I wouldn't describe the mids as smooth and natural either. Would you or someone else be singing while playing the guitar?

 

Directly comparing to the GR07, I'm hearing the guitars to be perfectly in line with the music. I can hear the resonance of the wood (the GR07's timbre is amazing), and micro detail is about the same. You're going to be on stage, so the GR07's soundstage presentation will be great as well. If you want natural, then the GR07 is for you.

 




Ahhh.. maybe I have some hope here! Thank you guys sooo much for replying. I'm going to check out the GR07's right now!! @ eke2k6. I'm playing solo.. just me. All nylon string smooth jazz fusion type stuff. Thank you all again!!

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Wow.. These could be the ticket. Where is the best place to buy them? Is this in Japan? Couldn't see a price on the VSONIC site. Thanx!

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Ahhh.. maybe I have some hope here! Thank you guys sooo much for replying. I'm going to check out the GR07's right now!! @ eke2k6. I'm playing solo.. just me. All nylon string smooth jazz fusion type stuff. Thank you all again!!



 

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Wow.. These could be the ticket. Where is the best place to buy them? Is this in Japan? Couldn't see a price on the VSONIC site. Thanx!



 



Are you in the US? If so, the ebay seller lendmeurears ships them from a warehouse in the country, so you could have them quickly. If not, they'll still ship it to you, but it may take 2 weeks or so. There is also Amazon, but they're a bit more expensive.


Edited by eke2k6 - 3/30/12 at 4:07pm
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@morlock, you may also want to check other sources.

@flysweep, I'm really intrigued looking at your signature... seems we like the same sound sig biggrin.gif now, you got me intrigued with the Silver Bullets tongue.gif
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Just look at all the eq talk in this thread. The ASG's aren't for you unless you're going to eq them somehow. Hope this helps and of course get a second opinion.



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The ASG-1's driver has impressively natural timbre, but I hope Dale develops another phone with it that's specifically tuned with more of a full, natural frequency curve.  I think the filtered version (I'll be receiving the prototype soon) takes some steps toward this but I'd like to hear this what this driver is capable of when natively tuned for a more natural (or audiophile-friendly) response.

 

+1


If you are reading this Dale - Make It Happen. You will be a very rich man for it !

 

 

I'm sure early on in the thread i got impressions that the dual driver wouldn't be tuned mid centric as ASG-1.

Than recently I was very disappointed to read it would be more of the same tuning applied.

Studio Monitor tuning (flat/neutral) would be perfect but another Stage Monitor with all out mids will be too specialised again for limited market.

 

I'm hoping someone will tell me otherwise about the dual driver tuning so that I can hold onto mine for the upgrade. I'm completely in love with the bass presentation. I have stopped listening to Drake again since packing my ASG-1.

 

The audiophile filter is not going to cut it as it does nothing more than EQU. In fact less as it reduces the already lacking sparkle.

Would have worked if there was enough sparkle in the first & mids alone were going to be tamed.

 

 

 


Edited by archy121 - 3/30/12 at 5:35pm
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If you are reading this Dale - Make It Happen. You will be a very rich man for it !

 

 

I'm sure early on in the thread i got impressions that the dual driver wouldn't be tuned mid centric as ASG-1.

Than recently I was very disappointed to read it would be more of the same tuning applied.

Studio Monitor tuning (flat/neutral) would be perfect but another Stage Monitor with all out mids will be too specialised again for limited market.

 

I'm hoping someone will tell me otherwise about the dual driver tuning so that I can hold onto mine for the upgrade. I'm completely in love with the bass presentation. I have stopped listening to Drake again since packing my ASG-1.

 

The audiophile filter is not going to cut it as it does nothing more than EQU. In fact less as it reduces the already lacking sparkle.

Would have worked if there was enough sparkle in the first & mids alone were going to be tamed.

 

 

 

 

I somewhat agree with your post. However, you make it seem like there is something wrong with the ASG-1. This was never intended for audiophiles. What we're doing is essentially taking a city boy/computer engineer, thrusting him into a farm, and then laughing at him when he doesn't know how to milk Betty the cow. 

 

I lent the ASG-1 to a singer friend of mine who does live gigs, and I had trouble getting him to hand them back over. That is what they're for. You either learn to enjoy their rawness,or move on without complaining. 
 

 

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+1

 

+1


If you are reading this Dale - Make It Happen. You will be a very rich man for it !

 

 

I'm sure early on in the thread i got impressions that the dual driver wouldn't be tuned mid centric as ASG-1.

Than recently I was very disappointed to read it would be more of the same tuning applied.

Studio Monitor tuning (flat/neutral) would be perfect but another Stage Monitor with all out mids will be too specialised again for limited market.

 

I'm hoping someone will tell me otherwise about the dual driver tuning so that I can hold onto mine for the upgrade. I'm completely in love with the bass presentation. I have stopped listening to Drake again since packing my ASG-1.

 

The audiophile filter is not going to cut it as it does nothing more than EQU. In fact less as it reduces the already lacking sparkle.

Would have worked if there was enough sparkle in the first & mids alone were going to be tamed.

 

 

 


That is the exact opposite of the best business strategy for being very rich. Not that it won't bring in the bucks, but the real money is in amazing branding, design, and advertising, not to mention sales and distribution, of a high margin product that appeals to the general population that couldn't be bothered or doesn't care. Believe it or not, the head-fi machine makes no real impact in the grand scheme of things. But if you mean small scale success, sure.
Edited by vwinter - 3/30/12 at 6:17pm
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I somewhat agree with your post. However, you make it seem like there is something wrong with the ASG-1. This was never intended for audiophiles...

..That is what they're for. You either learn to enjoy their rawness,or move on without complaining.

 

No I don't think that there is anything wrong about the ASG-1's for stage monitoring use. But following through this thread it seems that plenty of buyers weren't looking specifically for a stage monitor tuned phone. Maybe just an excellent 15mm DD that could lend itself to other listening purposes as well.

 

If Aurisonics only cared to have them used as stage monitor's than why would they be wasting time & resources in designing & testing audiophile filters ?

 

I myself hoped they would perform like studio monitors with little EQU if necessary. I have a pair of AKG studio monitor cans that i love very much even though i don't do any mixing or own a professional musical instrument. But it lends itself nicely to hours of casual relaxed fatigue free listening.

 

 

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That is the exact opposite of the best business strategy for being very rich. Not that it won't bring in the bucks, but the real money is in amazing branding, design, and advertising of a high margin product that appeals to the general population that couldn't be bothered or doesn't care. Believe it or not, the head-fi machine makes no real impact in the grand scheme of things. But if you mean small scale success, sure.


I think you misunderstood me & we don't need to debate sales/marketing strategy etc.  $299 throws out the general consumer.

 

I was actually complementing the driver that Aurisonics have created. I believe it has plenty of potential to be tuned differently & lend to other markets as well as stage monitoring e.g. studio monitors or high end audiophile market. Throw in the dual driver for further potential.

 


Edited by archy121 - 3/30/12 at 6:34pm
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No I don't think that there is anything wrong about the ASG-1's for stage monitoring use. But following through this thread it seems that plenty of buyers weren't looking specifically for a stage monitor tuned phone. Maybe just an excellent 15mm DD that could lend itself to other listening purposes as well.

 

If Aurisonics only cared to have them used as stage monitor's than why would they be wasting time & resources in designing & testing audiophile filters ?

 

I myself hoped they would perform like studio monitors with little EQU if necessary. I have a pair of AKG studio monitor cans that i love very much even though i don't do any mixing or own a professional musical instrument. But it lends itself nicely to hours of casual relaxed fatigue free listening.

 


It's not that they don't care. I think they developed the filters to appease the buyers who bought the ASG-1 not knowing what they were getting into. You were one of them. I see the filters as more of a kind gesture, and great customer service to the audiophile community. Secondly, they're not studio monitors. They're made for live events. Dale recently emailed this to me: "Go to a live concert and stand next to the stage. Then you'll see why the mids need to be 'shouty'"

 

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