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post #1756 of 2761
Congrats archy!

I overshot it by a few db. The boost is 4db at 1.2 kHz.

I'm growing to like them more as I listen. I'll use them exclusively for a week before posting anything definite.
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

Congrats archy!
I overshot it by a few db. The boost is 4db at 1.2 kHz.
I'm growing to like them more as I listen. I'll use them exclusively for a week before posting anything definite.


@eke2k6....Now you are in ther ballpark with where the "shouty" is coming from.  I have an analyzer in my jRiver Mediacenter 16.  I was looking at the analyzer and playing an Allison Krauss track, "You're Just a Country Boy", "One Hundred Miles or More" album, at 2:10 to 2:25 into that track there were some high keyboard notes that just shrieked and hurt my ears, and looking at the analyzer during multiple replay in that area, I determinted the spike at 1100 hz.  I played that over and over while adjusting the Parametric EQ in Mediacenter....to eliminate the spike in that area I reduced 1100 hz -8db....that made the keyboard notes tolerable and eliminated the "shouty" mids on female vocal that was iritating me.  Diana Krall is a good example of vocals that were shouty, @dosely01, sold his ASG-1 because of this, but the EQ at 1100 hz makes her totally listenable for me, as well as all female vocals with a more shrill voice.

 

This is what works for me, and I see you have a similar find at 1.2 khz.  I emailed Dale on my findings a couple of weeks ago, and he replied that I was right on, and that area is where the new filters will tame the mids for Audiophiles that use the ASG-1/AS-1 for listening to music. 

 

I couldn't be happier with the ASG-1, I have several upgrade cables as well, that take the ASG-1 to another level!

 

Just another detail.....I did set my Parametric EQ to a wider set of frequencies, I set the EQ at 1100 hz, with a Q= 3, which widens the EQ to cover the frequencies to both sides of 1100 hz, probably 1000 - 1200hz!
 

 


Edited by cute - 3/20/12 at 11:41am
post #1758 of 2761
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

I don't know how you guys perceive these headphones.  But from all your descriptions, you make it seem like this has some infamous mid-range hump that is larger than life.  I think it's put out of proportion.  Just looking at the EQ that Eke did, and testing that same EQ myself, I found the actual outcome to sound like this with the EQ:

 

 

With the way you guys are describing the midrange, it makes it seem like you are hearing some sort of 5 dB bump in the entire mid-range (just based off your explanations).  I went ahead and, based off everyone's explanations in the thread, made a graph of what I think you guys are perceiving, which is most likely off, but your descriptions make it seem this way:

 

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I'm pretty sure you guys don't hear it this way (or at least I hope you don't).  I didn't read too much about treble, so the treble is really just random points from a previous graph I made.  I am curious to see how you guys actually do hear the ASG-1s.  I do want to know how large you think that mid-bass hump is.  With relation to the graph, Ekes forced a really deep V into that graph.  If that's what you guys find as neutral and balanced, well...  That's a deep V to me. 

 

 



 Much like eke2k6, I most definitely heard them this way.  Using a sine wave generator (SineGen) I found that I had to drop 4db between 500Hz and 900Hz, drop 2db from 900Hz to 1.2kHz and basically raise everything north of 3.5kHz a db or two to balance the volume levels for my ears. Once they were balanced the ASG's sounded very good. It had nothing to do with preferences. In the end it was clear to me that they would not work in my ears without equalization, and I'd rather not use eq.  Even with the knowledge as to how they're tuned/designed, I'm quite sure it has more to do with the contours of my canals than just the tuning. I never found my Ety's shouty, but then again they also sat deeper in my canals, possibly eliminating any unusual lower/middle ear resonance that I encountered with the ASG's. 

 

 The bottom line is we all have different ears... We'll never hear what another hears exactly the same way. One man's recessed mids may be balanced to another.  One man's balanced sound may be shouty or bright to another.  It's impossible to voice or design an IEM to work with every ear and frequency response can only be used as a guideline.  Regardless of how any IEM or headphone is voiced, by the time the sound makes it's way through our canals/ear drums to our brains it will sound different. In a perfect world, we'd have our IEM's tuned by some master audiologist/designer and it would be voiced for our unique ears.  As for me, I'm just waiting for some form of neural implant that eliminates all those factors smile.gif

 

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Originally Posted by JoeyRusso View Post

 The bottom line is we all have different ears... We'll never hear what another hears exactly the same way. One man's recessed mids may be balanced to another.  One man's balanced sound may be shouty or bright to another.  It's impossible to voice or design an IEM to work with every ear and frequency response can only be used as a guideline.  Regardless of how any IEM or headphone is voiced, by the time the sound makes it's way through our canals/ear drums to our brains it will sound different. In a perfect world, we'd have our IEM's tuned by some master audiologist/designer and it would be voiced for our unique ears.  As for me, I'm just waiting for some form of neural implant that eliminates all those factors smile.gif

 

well said
 

 

 

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Originally Posted by JoeyRusso View Post

  Regardless of how any IEM or headphone is voiced, by the time the sound makes it's way through our canals/ear drums to our brains it will sound different. In a perfect world, we'd have our IEM's tuned by some master audiologist/designer and it would be voiced for our unique ears.  As for me, I'm just waiting for some form of neural implant that eliminates all those factors smile.gif

 



Speak for thine self sire. My child will have genetically modified ears molded from a compounded laser scan of 300 different ears to ensure all around perfection. I'm developing drugs to do this now in pharmacy school. Don't tell anyone though...it's supposed to be a secret ph34r.gif


Edited by eke2k6 - 3/20/12 at 12:48pm
post #1761 of 2761
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post


Speak for thine self sire. My child will have genetically modified ears molded from a compounded laser scan of 300 different ears to ensure all around perfection. I'm developing drugs to do this now in pharmacy school. Don't tell anyone though...it's supposed to be a secret ph34r.gif



Congrats sir, you win the thread.  And owe me a keyboard.

post #1762 of 2761
Ok. So the mids aren't boosted 7 dB. I hear about a 2 dB boost above what the Etymotic already has it boosted at. So it's around 3 dB total boost around 1.5 k. I guess the spike is actually at 1.2 k.

I just found it weird that when. Did the EQ that it made them sound like my PFE 232s. It scared me to think that people heard a 7 dB spike in them.

Regarding the Etymotic shortness, the property is present, but isn't as in your face as the ASGs. You have to AB the to find that they do have them.
post #1763 of 2761
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Originally Posted by archy121 View Post

 

Long wait is over at last !

 

But let me tell you its been damn expensive waiting.

Since placing the order boredom got the better of me & I ended up buying a DAC with additional quality PSU & interconnects.

If that wasn't enough i just bought the IPAD3 as well... Time to hit classifieds.

 

 

Back to ASG's. First of all I'm happy to find it fits well & is very comfortable. I can get a good seal so these isolate really well for me.

The standard tips are weak to say the least & presently going through few others that Nulliverse kindly helped out with. So far TF10 tips seem to do well for me.

I'm going to give them at least 24 hours burn before passing any comment  - if i can control myself.


Same here, 2 bloody weeks because of shi**y French customs, who don't believe in value declaration (I had to provide a receipt even though Springtree did declare the right value).

And after customs calculated taxes, package took a whole week to travel the remaining 500km, unbelievable...

USPS should be banned from shipping international, they don't have any agreement with foreign customs to perceive taxes themselves, so things tend to get stuck for days with some countries like France.

Serious transporters like DHL, Fedex or UPS calculate and perceive taxes themselves, and give them back to customs afterwards, so things go straight to delivery without actually being processed by customs. And it's not more expensive.

 

 

Overall quality of ASG-1 is good, without being exceptional. Nice tangle-free cable, although a bit too shiny (bling-bling). Casings are nicely shaped, although the nozzles are not angled enough for me (quite similarly to UM3X, to which I prefer SE535Ltd for the more angled nozzles). Fit is still very decent.

 

The mat transparent finish is a bit bland, I think glossy transparent or opaque finish would be better looking.

Small ranting: internal finish could be better, I see little shards of white resin strands which can be 2 things: unwashed resin left after building of the casings by rapid prototyping, or resin strands created when the casing upper plate was screwed onto the body. It doesn't do well with the transparent finish.

 

Provided tips are very thin, even thinner than cheap MEElec tips.

 

I got a good fit with large MEElec M11 double flange tips very quickly.

But the winner were my usual favorite tips for large nozzles: Comply Ts-400 or Ts-500 foams. Unbeatable comfort-wise and best seal achievable with my oversized ear canals.

 

For sonic impressions, I'll have to wait for a few days, I prefer to burn them in without any listening for at least 20-30 hours.

Out of the box, sound was just ugly. I can relate to previous posts: mid-centered, shouty vocals, strings were awfully dry, overall picture was quite distant except some over-emphasized high pitched drums.

Coming from the intimate and nicely layered sound of SE535Ltd, this was a change, but it seems to get closer by the minute.

 

I'll come back in a few days. biggrin.gif

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by tienbasse View Post


Same here, 2 bloody weeks because of shi**y French customs, who don't believe in value declaration (I had to provide a receipt even though Springtree did declare the right value).

And after customs calculated taxes, package took a whole week to travel the remaining 500km, unbelievable...

USPS should be banned from shipping international, they don't have any agreement with foreign customs to perceive taxes themselves, so things tend to get stuck for days with some countries like France.

Serious transporters like DHL, Fedex or UPS calculate and perceive taxes themselves, and give them back to customs afterwards, so things go straight to delivery without actually being processed by customs. And it's not more expensive.

 


I think you might find..that's the useless french post...i think they shouldn't even call it post, nor a service.

Its slow as hell and they try and rip you off each time.

 

Vive La france...

post #1765 of 2761
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Originally Posted by tienbasse View Post

For sonic impressions, I'll have to wait for a few days, I prefer to burn them in without any listening for at least 20-30 hours.

Out of the box, sound was just ugly. I can relate to previous posts: mid-centered, shouty vocals, strings were awfully dry, overall picture was quite distant except some over-emphasized high pitched drums.

Coming from the intimate and nicely layered sound of SE535Ltd, this was a change, but it seems to get closer by the minute.

 

 

I would agree with your initial impressions.

 

I was not enthralled in any way by them & the 'shoutiness' was somewhat beyond annoying at time.

 

Brain or phone burn is certainly coming through nicely so far for me. Just doing another listen after 6 hours.

 

I'm listening to one of my ultimate favourite albums - Stevie Wonder's Innervsions. Absolutely no problem with the strings in Visions track. Beautiful.

 

I'm using foobar's parametric EQU. to control the mid 1.2khz area. Also little EQU. on lows is giving really deep  sub bass. Drake's Cameras is a real treat.

 

These phones have really great timbre. Cymbals & drums are really done well with  Mezzoforte - Live In Reykjavik  - Prime Time track. The phones really show their speed when things get crazy busy from 5:00 onwards. They really hold it together well without any sense of congestion.

 

Back to more burn for now..

 

 


*EDIT* After such a long & expensive wait I intend to give these phones a really good chance before making a firm decision. At least 50 hours burn than a review. The mid  filters can't come soon enough.

 

 


Edited by archy121 - 3/20/12 at 5:35pm
post #1766 of 2761

Hear!
 

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

There is definitely a massive boost in the mids, regardless of my signature preference. Even after the reduction, they are still slightly mid-forward, which I don't mind. I only eq'ed the mids to bring them in line with the other frequencies and allow everything else to shine through. I have the GR07, which is NOT v-shaped, and I'm in love with it.

 

The ASG-1 is made for a specific purpose, which is why it's tuned they way it is. I've been chatting back and forth with Dale, and he mentioned that "it was meant for stage professionals who were supposed to wear them for short periods of time." The ASG-1 isn't your typical analytical signature; etymotics are analytical. The ASG-1 is "mid-colored." There has been a fair amount of talk about them that has been misleading. This is causing people to expect an audiophile sound when it is not. The filter Dale is working on should bring the tuning back into the realm of mortal understanding. He even told me that using the filters (or almost the same eq I used) is essential if you want to listen to music all day.

 

 

I don't like V signatures btw. I owned the TF10 and I despised it.

 



 

post #1767 of 2761

I would love to have the DBA and ASG1 in my stable - not to mention my UEsf5v2CS. I hope they will complement each other biggrin.gif
 

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Originally Posted by Swimsonny View Post


I agree! Saying that the dba-02 is analytical then the two have two very different signatures
Defiently not analytical although it is very detailed!


 

post #1768 of 2761

This I am dreading. I just hope they will not sound as rolled off as my UE sf5v2 which is spec'd at -15KHz. T15's specs is keeping my hope's up: -20KHz.

ASG-1 btw is spec'd at 8-25KHz... but I don't think I hear anything above 16KHz anymore due to my age [I'm getting old!] biggrin.gif
 

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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post


I'm trying to figure out what you guys mean by saying entirely mid-forward.  I only hear the vocals as forward (and only slightly at that), nothing else really is to me.  The levels of the entire instrumentals are on par with what the Etymotic HFs provide.  The highs do roll off though, they do that too in the T15s, these are rolling off slightly earlier.



 

post #1769 of 2761

Finally! Congrats!

 

Will be waiting for your 'come back' biggrin.gif
 

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Originally Posted by tienbasse View Post

 


For sonic impressions, I'll have to wait for a few days, I prefer to burn them in without any listening for at least 20-30 hours.

Out of the box, sound was just ugly. I can relate to previous posts: mid-centered, shouty vocals, strings were awfully dry, overall picture was quite distant except some over-emphasized high pitched drums.

Coming from the intimate and nicely layered sound of SE535Ltd, this was a change, but it seems to get closer by the minute.

 

I'll come back in a few days. biggrin.gif

 

 

 

 



 

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Originally Posted by dogears View Post

This I am dreading. I just hope they will not sound as rolled off as my UE sf5v2 which is spec'd at -15KHz. T15's specs is keeping my hope's up: -20KHz.

ASG-1 btw is spec'd at 8-25KHz... but I don't think I hear anything above 16KHz anymore due to my age [I'm getting old!] biggrin.gif
 



 



I think rolled off would be the wrong word.  They just aren't as present over the the lows and mids.  The highs are recessed (a little too much for my liking), that's about it. 

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