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I like you too but my wife not so much.

 

;)

 

post #212 of 283
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As far as the Westone soft canal, I am told it is actually cold cure soft acrylic, and they use a cold pour acrylic for the shell.  I believe this combination is quite durable due to the materials both being acrylic.  I have another, non-Westone CIEM that uses a a soft acrylic canal, and it is nice.

 

"I learned something new today!" Seriously, though, I never knew that such a thing as 'soft acrylic' (in the context of CIEMs) existed. I am fairly certain that Westone were using some kind of vinyl compound for their soft-tips, a while ago. I am intrigued if it's 100% acrylic now (albeit differing compounds).

 

 

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The Future Sonic soft canal option has a 3 month warranty and I was told it isn't too durable by the manufacturer themselves.

 

 

{S~H~U~D~D~E~R~!}  ...don't talk to me about Futuresonics - they couldn't even make me a worthwhile standard 100%  hard-acrylic  pair of CIEMs properly, after two tries, let alone anything with a soft-canal option. Truly awful workmanship; they should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. In the end, I gave up battling with them and have been utterly dissatisfied with my MG6 Pros to this day (and, as you know, I'm not the only Head-fier who had such a bad experience with Futuresonics). Never have I wasted $800 bucks so gallingly, and on something so utterly flawed.

 

I hope Hidition to a better job on their CIEM shells.

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The SE5s outer ear portion is a bit bigger than the 8A. The 8A was more narrow in that regards (contoured more to my ear shape). But one of the 8A did stick more out of my ear than the other lol. The SE5 is spot on on both sides being evenly flush. Both IEMs go to the second bend.

 

 

 

 

Regarding your first comment. If I have no music going I can hear really well still with them in. Enough where it makes me question the isolation to be honest. It definitely does help to cut down on the noise but I can clearly carry on a conversation. Even talk on the phone with them in lol. Not that it won't be more difficult than having them off mind you. But I can really hear good through silicone for some reason. Now with music going that's another story. Would depend on what volume I'm listening at. But I was expecting to be surprised by the isolation and it was quite the contrary in my experience....

 

Thanks for the pics; is the canal thinner than your ear canal?  That seems quite odd and not my experience with the 5 silicone CIEMs I have.  Have you asked Grzegorz about the isolation?  He is super knowledgeable, so he may have some thoughts and/or answers.

 

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Thanks. Played it simple.

I like you too but my wife not so much.

 

Simple often works well!  

 

Your wife likes jewelry, right, well this is CIEM jewelry!  Diamonds for her, copper and silver for you!

 

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;)

 

 

lol

 

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"I learned something new today!" Seriously, though, I never knew that such a thing as 'soft acrylic' (in the context of CIEMs) existed. I am fairly certain that Westone were using some kind of vinyl compound for their soft-tips, a while ago. I am intrigued if it's 100% acrylic now (albeit differing compounds).

 

 

 

 

{S~H~U~D~D~E~R~!}  ...don't talk to me about Futuresonics - they couldn't even make me a worthwhile standard 100%  hard-acrylic  pair of CIEMs properly, after two tries, let alone anything with a soft-canal option. Truly awful workmanship; they should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. In the end, I gave up battling with them and have been utterly dissatisfied with my MG6 Pros to this day (and, as you know, I'm not the only Head-fier who had such a bad experience with Futuresonics). Never have I wasted $800 bucks so gallingly, and on something so utterly flawed.

 

I hope Hidition to a better job on their CIEM shells.

 

I believe the Westone CR1 is vinyl, and the entire shell, not just the canal.

 

I never said FS was good ;)  I was surprised that they were steering me away from a soft canal because of issues, and after 3 months you are SOL.  I have heard the horror stories and sorry you also shared a bad experience.  I did hear a demo and was, well, surprised.

 

My Hidition silicone canals are still rock solid.  I recently tried to see if there was any give in them, but the silicone is still stuck fast to the acrylic.  They use a special technique that is supposed to be quite reliable, but to make the materials stick, they use a relatively hard silicone.  The soft acrylic shell is much more flexible (actually, the Hidition canals aren't flexible at all) and soft.  Also, my Hidition canals are discoloring.  

post #214 of 283

Well actually, against all odds, the NT6 seems to work just fine with the Tera. No significant bass roll off that I can detect. The mid bass is there and punchy and the subbass in James Blake's cover of Limit to your love is deep and rumbly. I really do not understand how the Tera works sometimes...

post #215 of 283
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Well actually, against all odds, the NT6 seems to work just fine with the Tera. No significant bass roll off that I can detect. The mid bass is there and punchy and the subbass in James Blake's cover of Limit to your love is deep and rumbly. I really do not understand how the Tera works sometimes...


It made me laugh actually :happy_face1:

post #216 of 283
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Thanks for the pics; is the canal thinner than your ear canal?  That seems quite odd and not my experience with the 5 silicone CIEMs I have.  Have you asked Grzegorz about the isolation?  He is super knowledgeable, so he may have some thoughts and/or answers.

 

 

I believe the Westone CR1 is vinyl, and the entire shell, not just the canal.

 

I never said FS was good ;)  I was surprised that they were steering me away from a soft canal because of issues, and after 3 months you are SOL.  I have heard the horror stories and sorry you also shared a bad experience.  I did hear a demo and was, well, surprised.

 

My Hidition silicone canals are still rock solid.  I recently tried to see if there was any give in them, but the silicone is still stuck fast to the acrylic.  They use a special technique that is supposed to be quite reliable, but to make the materials stick, they use a relatively hard silicone.  The soft acrylic shell is much more flexible (actually, the Hidition canals aren't flexible at all) and soft.  Also, my Hidition canals are discoloring.  

 

Well actually averagejoe, Grzegorz kinda pulled the race card on me during my first inquiry (issues with fit on the SE5). Also tried to make me feel bad like it is my fault and that I am defective and should not have opted for the SE5 being of multi-ethnicity's in the first place. Although I didn't have as much issues in regards to fit with the 8As. So his sorry excuses don't add up. Basically instead of being humble and trying to offer a solution he went about things in a totally inappropriate and pompous way. After that I lost a lot of respect for him. He has a great product but customer service/etiquette needs a lot of work. Instead of playing the blame game and passing the buck around he needs to learn to be humble and offer a solution. Dr. Moulton was the same way but worse.

 

Anyways to answer your question, my ear canals are shaped that way. I did bring up the isolation bit to him and can't remember what he said in regards to that.


Edited by lee730 - 11/19/13 at 9:11pm
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post
 

Well actually, against all odds, the NT6 seems to work just fine with the Tera. No significant bass roll off that I can detect. The mid bass is there and punchy and the subbass in James Blake's cover of Limit to your love is deep and rumbly. I really do not understand how the Tera works sometimes...

 

Didn't you learn not to judge a book by its cover ;)

 

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Well actually averagejoe, Grzegorz kinda pulled the race card on me during my first inquiry (issues with fit on the SE5). Also tried to make me feel bad like it is my fault and that I am defective and should not have opted for the SE5 being of multi-ethnicity's in the first place. Although I didn't have as much issues in regards to fit with the 8As. So his sorry excuses don't add up. Basically instead of being humble and trying to offer a solution he went about things in a totally inappropriate and pompous way. After that I lost a lot of respect for him. He has a great product but customer service/etiquette needs a lot of work. Instead of playing the blame game and passing the buck around he needs to learn to be humble and offer a solution. Dr. Moulton was the same way but worse.

 

Anyways to answer your question, my ear canals are shaped that way. I did bring up the isolation bit to him and can't remember what he said in regards to that.

 

Wow, sorry to hear that, I had no idea and am honestly shocked.

 

As far as the ear canal shape, I have received some CIEMs where the canal was smaller than it could/should have been, hence my question.  

post #218 of 283
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Wow, sorry to hear that, I had no idea and am honestly shocked.

 

As far as the ear canal shape, I have received some CIEMs where the canal was smaller than it could/should have been, hence my question.  

 

Yeah well that tends to just be my luck with CIEMs in general lol. But in terms of sound I have no complaints. Really enjoy the sound and I give credit where it is due :).

 

Hmm well the canal does seem to be similarly shaped to the 8A one if you look at the pics. Just the 8A was more curved in while the SE5 it a bit straighter.


Edited by lee730 - 11/19/13 at 11:40pm
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The right ear piece of my NT6 is quite tight and thus a bit painful. I am sick with flu these days so I will wait a few days to see if I am over sensitive or indeed need a refit.
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The right ear piece of my NT6 is quite tight and thus a bit painful. I am sick with flu these days so I will wait a few days to see if I am over sensitive or indeed need a refit.

 

Need some lube? ;).

 

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@Mimou

Don't panic.. when I was sick I suddenly had fit issues and after that everything was OK.


Edited by Andreas2402 - 11/20/13 at 3:24am
post #222 of 283
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Not exactly.  Sure, treble is close, but the IERM is warmer and doesn't have the impact or capability the NT-6 has.  One of the biggest differences for me is the focus or sharpness of the presentation, as the NT-6 as when going from the IERM to the NT-6 is like looking through a camera lens that has gone from almost totally focused to perfectly focused.

 

 

Thank you for your reply.

 

Are the mids upfront (or more laid-back like the UERM's mids compared to treble)? Are the mids thin sounding and less involving than most ciems? Because after reading your review I get the impression it's more suited for sound engineers like the UERM.


Edited by Andreas2402 - 11/20/13 at 3:24am
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@Mimou

Don't panic.. when I was sick I suddenly had fit issues and after that everything was OK.

 

Yes, being sick can change everything!

 

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Thank you for your reply.

 

Are the mids upfront (or more laid-back like the UERM's mids compared to treble)? Are the mids thin sounding and less involving than most ciems? Because after reading your review I get the impression it's more suited for sound engineers like the UERM.

 

I would consider the NT-6 mids laid-back, but not to the extent of the IERM.  The entire presentation is thinner sounding than the IERM, but at the same time there is more note liquidity from a longer average decay.  Both work well for sound engineers, but if  you like that type of sound, and many on here do, they can be a great choice.

post #224 of 283

My ears were super sensitive to the SE5s initially. It was so bad I was sure I was going to need a reshell....

post #225 of 283
Thanks Andreas and Joe...I am resting my ears on the S-EM6 a few days.

Do not insist Lee, no lube for these ears!
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