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post #196 of 388
I cannot give a very accurate impression yet as my 901 is back for repair, and the Tera certainly will not pair well. So I just tried out of my computer. Anyhow, a very nice sounding ciem straight out of the box. Detailed yet musical, quite neutral to my ears. At this stage, I would say this is maybe the closest to neutral I have heard. I have no clue if this is accurate as I have no truly neutral reference. This sig is slightly on thr bright side, a bit like the 1plus2, but quite differently. The NT6 is smoother than the 1plus2, and the bass does not have as much punch. However the bass is quick and detailed and seems to go quite deep. I am also quite pleased I have the NT6 and not the pro as I would not want more bass or trebble.
post #197 of 388
nice.

i managed to tried demo units of nt rm, nt 6, nt 6 pro.

i like the treble of nt 6 pro, sub bass slightly strong for me comparing with nt 6.
post #198 of 388
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

I cannot give a very accurate impression yet as my 901 is back for repair, and the Tera certainly will not pair well. So I just tried out of my computer. Anyhow, a very nice sounding ciem straight out of the box. Detailed yet musical, quite neutral to my ears. At this stage, I would say this is maybe the closest to neutral I have heard. I have no clue if this is accurate as I have no truly neutral reference. This sig is slightly on thr bright side, a bit like the 1plus2, but quite differently. The NT6 is smoother than the 1plus2, and the bass does not have as much punch. However the bass is quick and detailed and seems to go quite deep. I am also quite pleased I have the NT6 and not the pro as I would not want more bass or trebble.

Exactly what I found on the two;) NT6 is smoother due to its more linear mid and treble. but still a little bit on the bright side. There was one point last year (when I ordered two NT6 lol silly me) thought NT6 with Twag 8 wire sounds even better than SE5.

 

To be honest, they are totally two different beast. I personally preferred SE5 just because of I can listen to it longer without tiring and its such great vocal presentation. But NT6 I think is almost overall technically identical to SE5. If it's 5% warmer, I would call it the most neutral CIEM I have heard. but still it's so smooth on good source.

 

Both SE5 and NT6 are closet to neutral I have ever heard with se5 a bit warmer and NT6 a bit brighter. So I would say NT6 is neutral and SE5 is natural :)


Edited by tupac0306 - 11/18/13 at 3:18am
post #199 of 388
Damn why is everyone conspiring (actually a 2 man conspiracy between Tupac and Joe) to make me buy the Whiplash?
post #200 of 388

Count me in too, buy a Whiplash, you deserve it, your ears deserve it ;)

 

Edit: You just had an huge effect on me about my possible next ciem target.

post #201 of 388
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Count me in too, buy a Whiplash, you deserve it, your ears deserve it ;)

 

Edit: You just had an huge effect on me about my possible next ciem target.


I have to say this though, I had forgotten since I sold my Miracles a while ago, but silicone is MUCH more comfortable to my ears. The NT6 are ok, but still, the SE5 are much better in that respect, to me at least.

post #202 of 388
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I have to say this though, I had forgotten since I sold my Miracles a while ago, but silicone is MUCH more comfortable to my ears. The NT6 are ok, but still, the SE5 are much better in that respect, to me at least.


I find I'm getting equal comfort from my Pro330s and Jh13pros.  The difference is the Pro330s go deep and give me better isolation.  If the acrylic shelled Jh13pro went as deep they likely wouldn't be as comfortable.

 

Of course my Audiologist also told me that the shape of my canal barely changes with jaw movement.  A more mobile canal would doubtless benefit from silicone.

post #203 of 388

I find the SE5 to be about on par in terms of comfort as the 8A. Maybe even the 8A had the slight advantage. Both went deep for me but the SE5 is overall bigger and heavier. Putting the SE5 in is a bit easier/more comfortable from what I recall. The 8As were more comfortable to remove after long sessions (not as much pain).

post #204 of 388
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Originally Posted by Andreas2402 View Post
 

So basically, the NT 6 is a UERM with more resolution, bass, and equal amount of treble.

Does it have the same "zazzy" sound and lack of impact like the UERM?

 

Not exactly.  Sure, treble is close, but the IERM is warmer and doesn't have the impact or capability the NT-6 has.  One of the biggest differences for me is the focus or sharpness of the presentation, as the NT-6 as when going from the IERM to the NT-6 is like looking through a camera lens that has gone from almost totally focused to perfectly focused.

 

 
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Look what I just received ! Will share impressions later.

 

 

 

Nice!

 

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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

I cannot give a very accurate impression yet as my 901 is back for repair, and the Tera certainly will not pair well. So I just tried out of my computer. Anyhow, a very nice sounding ciem straight out of the box. Detailed yet musical, quite neutral to my ears. At this stage, I would say this is maybe the closest to neutral I have heard. I have no clue if this is accurate as I have no truly neutral reference. This sig is slightly on thr bright side, a bit like the 1plus2, but quite differently. The NT6 is smoother than the 1plus2, and the bass does not have as much punch. However the bass is quick and detailed and seems to go quite deep. I am also quite pleased I have the NT6 and not the pro as I would not want more bass or trebble.

 

:popcorn:

 

You can still tell us how the Tera does pair while we are waiting for you to get your 901 back.

 

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Originally Posted by tupac0306 View Post
 

Exactly what I found on the two;) NT6 is smoother due to its more linear mid and treble. but still a little bit on the bright side. There was one point last year (when I ordered two NT6 lol silly me) thought NT6 with Twag 8 wire sounds even better than SE5.

 

To be honest, they are totally two different beast. I personally preferred SE5 just because of I can listen to it longer without tiring and its such great vocal presentation. But NT6 I think is almost overall technically identical to SE5. If it's 5% warmer, I would call it the most neutral CIEM I have heard. but still it's so smooth on good source.

 

Both SE5 and NT6 are closet to neutral I have ever heard with se5 a bit warmer and NT6 a bit brighter. So I would say NT6 is neutral and SE5 is natural :)

 

Interesting verification about the NT-6 v 1P2.  My assessment of the NT-6 with TWag Hybrid V3 cable is here, second in the list.

 

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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

Damn why is everyone conspiring (actually a 2 man conspiracy between Tupac and Joe) to make me buy the Whiplash?

 

Because we like you :)

 

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post
 

I find the SE5 to be about on par in terms of comfort as the 8A. Maybe even the 8A had the slight advantage. Both went deep for me but the SE5 is overall bigger and heavier. Putting the SE5 in is a bit easier/more comfortable from what I recall. The 8As were more comfortable to remove after long sessions (not as much pain).

 

IMO, comfort has more to do with how well the CIEM fits and how long the shells are than the material.  All things equal, silicone is slightly superior, but they generally aren't all equal.

post #205 of 388

I think a big part of it is how our ear canals are shaped as well. Mine are quite big if you look at the pics next to tupacs. Even compared to the ety fit its is more ear rape in my case (but more comfortable :P).

post #206 of 388

I was surprised that silicone was not more comfortable for me than acrylic.

 

I found silicone isolated extremely well (even better than a good-fitting acrylic) but felt that it was slightly larger than my either of my acrylic CIEMs, and, even though the silicone is softer than acrylic, I found the (subjectively) slightly larger size to be more fatiguing to wear for long periods than either of my acrylic CIEMs.

 

Also, I find silicone to take much longer to successfully insert (if the tips are not very long, then this might not be the case), and I also dislike the way silicone attracts dust.

 

In spite of this, I actually like both types.

 

However, if you forced me to choose only one type for the rest of my life, I would probably choose acrylic because it is more robust (especially if you like to disconnect / swap cables from the CIEMs quite often), is very fast to insert, and is (arguably) slightly more hygienic (because it does not attract so much dust & dirt).

 

But the main factor for me would be how a CIEM sounds, and if I found a CIEM that sounds amazing, and it was only available in silicone, I wouldn't let that stop me from buying it.

 

To anyone worrying about whether they should go for a silicone or an acrylic CIEM, I would personally suggest that you put sound quality first and then prioritise other factors, as you see fit, similarly to the factors I've mentioned, and others that may be significant to you.

 

Also, as Lee alluded to, people differ in how big their ear canals are. Mine are moderately small. If you have wide ear canals then this will allow the canal portion of a silicone CIEM to be stiffer and thus easier to insert than a skinny one.

 

I'd like to try a combination-material CIEM, like Hidition used to offer, and Westone (I think) still do (acrylic main shell with vinyl tips), but I personally consider vinyl to be relatively toxic in comparison to acrylic or silicone, so I'd be wary, from that standpoint at least. Also, I have heard whispered rumours that combination-material CIEMs can sometimes seperate at the place where the vinyl meets the acrylic.

 

 

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Edited by Mython - 11/18/13 at 11:29pm
post #207 of 388

I agree on the comfort part for the most part. My ears do get more tender wearing the SE5 for long periods of time in comparison. But it's not so bad where it is an issue (since I can wear them for hours pretty much). What I differ on is the isolation. The isolation is decent on the SE5 but I think the 8A actually gave me better isolation. It's strange but I can hear very well even with the SE5 in. Particularly to high frequency noises. The 8A in comparison isolated to the point where I could hear my own hearbeat which was annoying.

post #208 of 388
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post
 

I think a big part of it is how our ear canals are shaped as well. Mine are quite big if you look at the pics next to tupacs. Even compared to the ety fit its is more ear rape in my case (but more comfortable :P).

 

True.  I have large ears myself and think I get less isolation than people with smaller ears, at least that is my interpretation of the situation. There are many other factors IMO, including anatomy (bone conduction of sound) and how aware we make ourselves of our surroundings/what we are focused on.  For example, there are times I will be able to hear (sense?) a phone ring while wearing my CIEMs, but I will completely miss it with the same CIEM at the same volume level at another time.

 

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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

I was surprised that silicone was not more comfortable for me than acrylic.

 

I found silicone isolated extremely well (even better than a good-fitting acrylic) but felt that it was slightly larger than my either of my acrylic CIEMs, and, even though the silicone is softer than acrylic, I found the (subjectively) slightly larger size to be more fatiguing to wear for long periods than either of my acrylic CIEMs.

 

Also, I find silicone to take much longer to successfully insert (if the tips are not very long, then this might not be the case), and I also dislike the way silicone attracts dust.

 

In spite of this, I actually like both types.

 

However, if you forced me to choose only one type for the rest of my life, I would probably choose acrylic because it is more robust (especially if you like to disconnect / swap cables from the CIEMs quite often), is very fast to insert, and is (arguably) slightly more hygienic (because it does not attract so much dust & dirt).

 

But the main factor for me would be how a CIEM sounds, and if I found a CIEM that sounds amazing, and it was only available in silicone, I wouldn't let that stop me from buying it.

 

To anyone worrying about whether they should go for a silicone or an acrylic CIEM, I would personally suggest that you put sound quality first and then prioritise other factors, as you see fit, similarly to the factors I've mentioned, and others that may be significant to you.

 

Also, as Lee alluded to, people differ in how big their ear canals are. Mine are moderately small. If you have wide ear canals then this will allow the canal portion of a silicone CIEM to be stiffer and thus easier to insert than a skinny one.

 

I'd like to try a combination-material CIEM, like Hidition used to offer, and Westone (I think) still do (acrylic main shell with vinyl tips), but I personally consider vinyl to be relatively toxic in comparison to acrylic or silicone, so I'd be wary, from that standpoint at least. Also, I have heard whispered rumours that combination-material CIEMs can sometimes seperate at the place where the vinyl meets the acrylic.

 

 

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I insert my silicone shells by pushing, not really twisting, which is very quick once they are broken in, but removal takes a while.  I am not sure if this would work for a "moderately small" ear.

 

The combo material from Hidition is actually the worst of both worlds.  It is a relatively hard silicone over solid acrylic, so it doesn't offer any comfort advantage.  Hidition started using that technique to compensate for the lab technician's ability at that time, but now things are better from what I understand, not requiring the material.

 

As far as the Westone soft canal, I am told it is actually cold cure soft acrylic, and they use a cold pour acrylic for the shell.  I believe this combination is quite durable due to the materials both being acrylic.  I have another, non-Westone CIEM that uses a a soft acrylic canal, and it is nice.  I am a ways off from mentioning much about it, though.  The Future Sonic soft canal option has a 3 month warranty and I was told it isn't too durable by the manufacturer themselves.  Kozee made a silicone shell with an acrylic back plate, and those two separated within a month from what I recall.

 

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post
 

I agree on the comfort part for the most part. My ears do get more tender wearing the SE5 for long periods of time in comparison. But it's not so bad where it is an issue (since I can wear them for hours pretty much). What I differ on is the isolation. The isolation is decent on the SE5 but I think the 8A actually gave me better isolation. It's strange but I can hear very well even with the SE5 in. Particularly to high frequency noises. The 8A in comparison isolated to the point where I could hear my own hearbeat which was annoying.

 

Interesting.  How does the outer ear portion of the two compare?  My SE5 isolates better than my 8.A by a good deal, and I have a musician's fit for the 8.A.

post #209 of 388

The SE5s outer ear portion is a bit bigger than the 8A. The 8A was more narrow in that regards (contoured more to my ear shape). But one of the 8A did stick more out of my ear than the other lol. The SE5 is spot on on both sides being evenly flush. Both IEMs go to the second bend.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regarding your first comment. If I have no music going I can hear really well still with them in. Enough where it makes me question the isolation to be honest. It definitely does help to cut down on the noise but I can clearly carry on a conversation. Even talk on the phone with them in lol. Not that it won't be more difficult than having them off mind you. But I can really hear good through silicone for some reason. Now with music going that's another story. Would depend on what volume I'm listening at. But I was expecting to be surprised by the isolation and it was quite the contrary in my experience....


Edited by lee730 - 11/19/13 at 12:10am
post #210 of 388
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Nice!

Thanks. Played it simple.

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You can still tell us how the Tera does pair while we are waiting for you to get your 901 back.

 

It seems almost impossible that it pairs really well as we should have the huge bass roll off as with all low impedance iems...but I will try nonetheless.

 

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Because we like you :)

 

I like you too but my wife not so much.

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