Beyerdynamic T1 Purchasing + Pairing Advice - Page 2

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Originally Posted by Naim.F.C 

That's a tough call. Not having heard the LCD-3's but still thinking they're hugely over priced, I'd personally go T1/WA2. Law of diminishing returns harder with the LCD-3'a and WA22. If you're stretching your budget, probably means you could find a lot of other great uses for the extra cash. But that's just me.
 

 

 

I agree about the diminishing returns.  Once I audition the Audez'e offerings I'll be determining just where that line is drawn.  I've not heard the Woo, and unfortunately probably won't be able to prior to making a decision, so I'm going on recommendations.  My auditioning will all be on a Burson 160, which I really like the sound of with the T1s, but I typically prefer tubes which is why I'm looking at the Woo.  I could go with any of the headphones paired with the Burson, but I'll probably go with a Woo of some sort. Thanks for everyone's input so far.  Keep it coming.

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Originally Posted by speeddeacon 

Let me ask a question here and mix it up just a bit.  I have listened to the T1 and preferred it over the HD800 and HE-6 (not properly driven however) and plan to audition the two Audeze offerings in the near future.  My budget is 3.5k total for phones/amp/recabling/tube upgrades.  Would you choose the LCD-3/WA2, WA22/LCD-2, WA2/T1 or WA22/T1 and with what cable and/or tube upgrades if appropriate?  Thanks for the input!

if you preferred the T1, you will probably like the LCD-2 too.

LCD-3 and WA2 will not work due to the impedance mismatch. my lcd-2 don't get loud enough and they sound slow

WA22/LCD-2 would be a good match.

WA2/T1  and you can buy a DAC (you need a dac if you are listening from your computer, or else a CD player, unless of course you already have a decent source)

WA22/T1 would be good, but consider you have to spend money on the balanced cable as well to get the best out of it. (same with the WA22/LCD-2 previously mentioned.) and you need a balanced source of course (more $$$)

i would personally recommend getting WA2/T1 and then spending the rest on a DAC and tubes and whatnot.

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Originally Posted by speeddeacon 

 

I hadn't considered going the used route, but I certainly would consider it.

 

 

IIRC The last one I saw was new unopened, guy just didn't want to have to deal with returning it...

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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl 

if you preferred the T1, you will probably like the LCD-2 too.

 

LCD-3 and WA2 will not work due to the impedance mismatch. my lcd-2 don't get loud enough and they sound slow

 

WA22/LCD-2 would be a good match.

 

WA2/T1  and you can buy a DAC (you need a dac if you are listening from your computer, or else a CD player, unless of course you already have a decent source)

 

WA22/T1 would be good, but consider you have to spend money on the balanced cable as well to get the best out of it. (same with the WA22/LCD-2 previously mentioned.) and you need a balanced source of course (more $$$)

 

 

i would personally recommend getting WA2/T1 and then spending the rest on a DAC and tubes and whatnot.

          Thanks for the heads up on the WA-2/LCD-3 mismatch.  I haven't looked at the specs that closely!        

          I have a good balanced CD/SACD player as a source so those aren't issues.  But, getting the T1 recabled is not plug and play like the Audez'e.  I'd probably order the hybrid cabled T1 from Whiplash Audio, but that puts it right beside the stock LCD-3 in price pretty much, therefore out of my budget.

Looking like T1/WA2 with upgraded tubes or some variation of WA22 and LCD-2v2 is most likely.  We'll see after I hear the LCD-x in person.

In the meantime I'll keep an eye out for used T1 and LCD-x's.

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Originally Posted by speeddeacon 

The 22/LCD-3 bone stock does push me over budget.  If getting right down to it I'm sure I could squeeze the extra 400 bucks but would have to go with stock tubes and cable.  With the other, I would have a bit of room for some upgrades.  In your experience would the bone stock LCD-3/WA22 combo be preferable to a LCD-2/WA22 with upgraded tubes and/or cabling? I figure the upgraded tubes from Woo add about 550 bucks and a 15ft long Silver Dragon is another $350.  Add a little tax and shipping and I'm about 1k above the component costs.

Yes!

At the least, I'd recommend upgrading the Power Tubes to Sylvania 7236s. They can be had for under $100 for the pair if you look hard. I know Golfnutz was selling 3 pair (I got one pair from him) for a great price and they test NOS.

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero 

Yes!

 

At the least, I'd recommend upgrading the Power Tubes to Sylvania 7236s. They can be had for under $100 for the pair if you look hard. I know Golfnutz was selling 3 pair (I got one pair from him) for a great price and they test NOS.

OK, thank you for the sage advice!

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Originally Posted by 1audioz 

While I definitely intend on investing on a dedicated amp - before the end of the year -, (WA2 / Corda Classic) - would the STX be powerful enough (extreme high gain is +18db) to run the Beyerdynamic T1 for the 'time' being? - Seeing a $250 AU GoVibe Peak amp can.

 

Note: source was Cowon D2+ playing FLAC at maximum volume to emulate volume. - not a particular good source, but good enough to tell that the T1 combo sounded like my studio monitors at home in a headphone package. :)

 

 

Being able to drive to high volumes does not mean the same as being able to drive to full potential. Even from built-in soundcard you will probably get a lot of volume, the quality of sound will be a totaly different story. It is basically a waste to buy such good headphones only to spoil the experience iwth low quality amp.

Do many T1 fans like the LCD-2 or HD800?  I feel like there's this great divide sometimes!

I never tried auadeze lcd2.

But with their wieght 600 gram it's out of the question to buy them.

T1 + HD800 = 680 gram together.

I like HD800 the are excellent headphones.

The difference between them *imo is that T1 have som more body/punch in the bass.

When comparing different songs i liked  T1 before HD800 and opposite.

*imo they both overpriced especially HD800.

Lowest price europe.

T1           1135$

HD800     1275$

In about 7-8 month when are down to 1000$ i will buy them.

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Originally Posted by 2dyclectic 

 

Lowest price europe.

T1           1135$

HD800     1275$

 

In about 7-8 month when are down to 1000$ i will buy them.

 

I'm pretty sure the price of HD800s is fixed by Sennheiser.
 

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sneis 

Do many T1 fans like the LCD-2 or HD800?  I feel like there's this great divide sometimes!

having T1 and LCD-2 and hearing HD 800. i thnk i will buy the PS1000 actually before i buy hd 800s.  the hd 800s where good, but the ps 1000s blew me away....they where near perfect, so much energy in those, very lively sound.

the T1 vs LCD-2 well....

for acoustic music and rock, the T1 are better. for mainstream stuff like pop, rap, hiphop, dance, etc. the LCD-2 are really good, for me they are an upgraded hd 650 with a less colored sound signature but similar presentation.

the T1 and LCD-2 are both really good in bass. but the LCD-2 feels bassier and heavier because of the darker sound and smoother highs. also, the LCD-2 by far have cleaner and better bass. it just goes down really deep and really has no end. 

they complement each other really well and for people who aren't looking for a huge soundstage or a super transparent and analytical sound, the LCD-2 or T1 are both great choices. if you like bassier stuff, get the LCD-2. if you want rock and softer stuff as well, the T1 are for you.  either one will work for almost anything though, they're both really good.

the hd 800 have a more audiophile sound to them and would be great for reference music, classical,  instrumental, jazz, etc (i love jazz on both my phones though )

hope this helps!

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sneis 

Do many T1 fans like the LCD-2 or HD800?  I feel like there's this great divide sometimes!

i haven't had the pleasure of trying the LCD2's but i do own the T1 and HD800.  do i like one more than the other?  not really.  neither is the be-all-end-all for me.  i think of the HD800 as a plush Maybach limo.  the nicest ride you will ever have; plush and luxurious.  as such, this also not the car i choose to drive everyday and is more of a special occasion vehicle.  acoustic (great w/bluegrass & folk), vocal, jazz (sorry don't do classical so i can't compare).  they will do rock but it'll look (sound) like your parents dancing to your music ;)  the T1 on the other hand is a very nice daily driver with a bit of luxury and a tad of a sportscar hidden under the hood.  say like a BMW M5.  it's not the perfect vehicle for any one single thing but it is darn good at most things.  they handle rock (classic, punk, post-punk, post-rock, etc), jazz, electronica, and are no slouches when it comes to acoustic and bluegrass, etc. a great (arguably the best) all 'rounder, imo.  this is the can i reach for 90% of the time (replacing my venerable HD600).

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Originally Posted by thrak 

i haven't had the pleasure of trying the LCD2's but i do own the T1 and HD800.  do i like one more than the other?  not really.  neither is the be-all-end-all for me.  i think of the HD800 as a plush Maybach limo.  the nicest ride you will ever have; plush and luxurious.  as such, this also not the car i choose to drive everyday and is more of a special occasion vehicle.  acoustic (great w/bluegrass & folk), vocal, jazz (sorry don't do classical so i can't compare).  they will do rock but it'll look (sound) like your parents dancing to your music ;)  the T1 on the other hand is a very nice daily driver with a bit of luxury and a tad of a sportscar hidden under the hood.  say like a BMW M5.  it's not the perfect vehicle for any one single thing but it is darn good at most things.  they handle rock (classic, punk, post-punk, post-rock, etc), jazz, electronica, and are no slouches when it comes to acoustic and bluegrass, etc. a great (arguably the best) all 'rounder, imo.  this is the can i reach for 90% of the time (replacing my venerable HD600).

Well now, that's a comparo I can understand .  I had an E39 M5 and loved it!  Nearly a perfect car for any situation except track work/hard core mountain driving.  Since I don't live near the mountains or a track that didn't much matter. Had to get rid of her when the warranty expired tho.  Too much $$$ paid out by BMW for warranty work and I didn't want to pick up the tab after that .  No desire for a Maybach, but wouldn't turn down a ride in one if offered.

That's pretty much my impression of the T1 too, does everything very well.  Maybe not the best at any particular genre, but not bad at any.  Once I hear the Audez'e to form my impression, I'll make my decision.  Right now I'm probably looking at WA2/T1 or LCD-2v2/WA22 to stay in budget