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post #1 of 8
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Hi,

 

I have a total budget of around £200-300 and am looking for some closed full sized headphones and possibly an amp/DAC if needed.

 

The music I usually listen to varies between Slipknot and Lady Gaga. The only headphones I've owned before were some Sennheiser CX 400-II Precision which I loved and I currently own a pair of JVC HAFX1X Xtreme Xplosives which were only around a tenner but they aren't that good (surprisingly enough).

 

I will only be using the headphones at home for my laptop so portability is no concern and will be used for music, movies and gaming.

 

I've had a look around and found the DT770's (not sure on the 80ohms or 250ohms version) looked good and was debating on waiting for the Fiio E17 which would come to around £300 total .

 

I won't be buying the headphones for another week or so and the E17 hasn't been released yet so I have plenty of time to see if there's a better combination for my budget.

 

So.. any opinions?

 

 

Much thanks!


Edited by HuskyMidget - 1/5/12 at 12:27pm
post #2 of 8

If you want something that looks and sounds great go with the V-Moda M80.  It is an on-ear headphone that is extremely comfortable.  I was extremely impressed by not only the sound signature which is full, rich, and pleasant, but the design and durability as well.

 

If you expand your budget to $335 or so go with the Denon AH-D2000.  These are one of my favorite cans and remain on Headroom's Top 10 list for good reason.  They can be a tad bass heavy if not properly amped, but they are well worth the investment.

 

If you want the headphone and amp combo then the V-Moda V80 and FiiO would work great for you.

 

As a general rule if you see headphone impedance be sure to choose the lower of the options.  You will have fewer issues delivering proper current to the drivers and voice coils compared to higher impedance headphones.  The AH-D2000 comes in at a mere 25 Ohms so even your iPod can drive them.

post #3 of 8
Thread Starter 

Ooo I do quite like the look of the V80's. Just wondering whether they are any good at blocking sound out, as that is something else I am needing in headphones.
 

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Originally Posted by NA Blur View Post

If you want something that looks and sounds great go with the V-Moda M80.  It is an on-ear headphone that is extremely comfortable.  I was extremely impressed by not only the sound signature which is full, rich, and pleasant, but the design and durability as well.

 

If you expand your budget to $335 or so go with the Denon AH-D2000.  These are one of my favorite cans and remain on Headroom's Top 10 list for good reason.  They can be a tad bass heavy if not properly amped, but they are well worth the investment.

 

If you want the headphone and amp combo then the V-Moda V80 and FiiO would work great for you.

 

As a general rule if you see headphone impedance be sure to choose the lower of the options.  You will have fewer issues delivering proper current to the drivers and voice coils compared to higher impedance headphones.  The AH-D2000 comes in at a mere 25 Ohms so even your iPod can drive them.



 


Edited by HuskyMidget - 1/5/12 at 4:16pm
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Ohms are only part of the story though.  Sensitivity and other factors can mean even if a headphone can be driven loud enough, it may still not sound near its potential.  The D2000 do generally seem to be regarded as some of the easier cans to drive of those that benefit more from amping. And picking the lowest ohm is not necessarily the wisest option.  For example, the DT770 also comes in a 32 ohm version, but most people seem to find it inferior in sound quality to the high-ohm versions.

 

I like the DT770, but I don't really think it's the best suited to your needs.  The bass response is too slow and cumbersome for Slipknot, and I think most people would say the mids are too recessed for Lady Gaga.  The D2000 is probably a better choice, though they're out of stock and a little high priced right at the moment.  The Ultrasone HFI-780 and Sennheiser HD25-1 II are a couple of other options to consider. 


Edited by LithoJazoSphere - 1/5/12 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by LithoJazoSphere View Post

Ohms are only part of the story though.  Sensitivity and other factors can mean even if a headphone can be driven loud enough, it may still not sound near its potential.  The D2000 do generally seem to be regarded as some of the easier cans to drive of those that benefit more from amping. And picking the lowest ohm is not necessarily the wisest option.  For example, the DT770 also comes in a 32 ohm version, but most people seem to find it inferior in sound quality to the high-ohm versions.

 

I like the DT770, but I don't really think it's the best suited to your needs.  The bass response is too slow and cumbersome for Slipknot, and I think most people would say the mids are too recessed for Lady Gaga.  The D2000 is probably a better choice, though they're out of stock and a little high priced right at the moment.  The Ultrasone HFI-780 and Sennheiser HD25-1 II are a couple of other options to consider. 


Couldn't agree more with this post!

I personally have listened to the Ultrasone HFI-780, previously owned the 580's, and currently own the Pro 900 ( a bit above your budget). I can assure you that these will play your selection of music quite admirably ( and enjoyably ) for the price, even without an amp (but amping helps!).

I haven't had the fortune of hearing the HD25's or the incredible Denon line, but I definitely agree towards recommending the Ultrasones. 

While I could go into detail why they would be better, I think I'll touch on why the 770's won't be best ( I had them for a wonderful year before selling mine, 80 ohm).

 

Cons:
- As previously mentioned, the bass is a bit sluggish, your metal will not sound as aggressive as I believe most people would like. ( Yes amping helps, but the 770's still struggle with attack/forwardness)
- The mids/highs of the 770's are good, but they won't be very engaging.

- Almost required to have an amp (80 ohm). They just don't wow without one. If you're playing these straight through a standard laptop jack, then they may sound "good", but I assure you there is MUCH better to be had with these with a better source.


Pros:
- Super comfy, just melts on your head comfy, I've had gaming sessions 5+ hours and forgot about them, which leads me to my next point...
- Soundstage/Imaging is quite intense, you'll surely enjoy gaming/movies with these.

- Bass is quite legendary, but not very tight or thumping, more booming than anything. Great for EDM! But metal/pop... eh.

- Pretty decent sound isolation, and not much sound leakage in general!

- Super long cord! Great for moving around the house/wherever you listen.

Now for the Ultrasones (580/780), compared to beyers 770:

 

Cons:

- Nowhere near the comfort

- Not as much bass "quantity" ( but pretty darn close )

- Not as immersive with regards to soundstage ( s-logic technology is a bit gimmicky IMHO )

 

Pros:

- More aggressive sound signature

- Bass slam! ( it doesn't feel like your bass is trying to catch up to the song, it'll be there when needed on your fast paced musical listenings)
- Less veiled mids/highs

- About as much sound isolation as the aforementioned.

- Performs well unamped ( save money! which is kind of interesting to say on this forum, haha) but performs even better with one.

 

Anyways, I could go into greater detail, but I hope you or anyone reading this would get the general gist. There are plenty of threads doing more detailed explanations of these 'phones.

Also, my 2 cents on the Fiio products = Value!

I've had a Fiio e7, performed extremely well for the price, and I expect the e17 to blow it out of the water ( which according to Mike on headfonia, it does just that). Also, since you don't seem to have any regard for portability, the e10 is head and shoulders above the e7, which would explain why I sold mine for the e10! Be wary though, the e17 has an expected price of almost double the e7/e10. Pick your poison, and enjoy!

 

post #6 of 8

With Beyerdynamic DT series, you really have to have a decent headphone amplifier to use any of them to their best.

If you do not need a lot of bass, the Audio Technica ATH-A900 are easy to drive, so can be used without a headphone amp.

 

A lower cost option is the KRK KNS 8400, they get positive reviews.

post #7 of 8

I agree with this.  I used to own the 880s and now the 990s, and they both scale very well with amping.  Amping brings the bass to life and rounds off some of the sizzling treble.
 

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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

With Beyerdynamic DT series, you really have to have a decent headphone amplifier to use any of them to their best.



 

post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 

Mmm thanks everyone for the suggestions! 

 

I've been looking at the D2000's, I would have the money for them and the Fiio E10 but have noticed some people mentioning the poor build quality, has this been a problem for anyone else?

 

I do also quite like the looks of the Ultrasones HFI 780 albeit some people have mentioned them being slightly uncomfortable. I would get either the E10/E9 or the E17 with these.

 

I'm still also very interested in the V-Moda M80, I've read a lot of good reviews and they look phenomenal but my main concern is them being on-ear instead of over-ear. Are they any good at blocking sound out?

 

 

Thanks again!


Edited by HuskyMidget - 1/6/12 at 8:08am
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