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hi all, i am new to computer hifi. i currently own a pair of audioengine A2 with icon udac for my entry level rig. i'm playing 16 bit flac files but have recently acquired some 24 bit flacs. i am hoping to bring the best sound out of my digital files but i'm not sure what is the most effective way of getting the best sound. right now honestly, i can't tell the difference between the 16bit and 24 bit with my setup. biggrin.gif

 

option 1: get a decent DAC (budget $500?) and upgrade active speakers (thinking of Audioengine 5 or KKR Rokit 5s)

option 2: try some entry level tube amps (around $500? jolida or some value for money china amps) and get some good passive speakers (no idea here yet) for the price of a AE5 or less

 

i listen to classical and jazz/voice a lot and love a "warm" sound.

 

which route would eventually produce a better sound for the same budget (or less!). as i'm new to this area, I'm totally open to suggestions on the best combo.  

 

thanks a bunch guys!!!

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post #3 of 13
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thanks pal. just want to make sure I get this right, so $100 invested in a good amp will yield better sound than $100 invested in a good DAC? and you are suggesting that the separate amp/passive speaker combo produces better sound than an active speaker/DAC combo?

post #4 of 13
Your hit dimishing returns with a dac very quickly good quality 1's are $100-$300 then your into dimishimg returms same with amps, look mainly for features you will need it is worth paying a bit more for useful features.
The speakers are the most important active and passive set-ups both have there advantages and disadvantages just choose which set-up is most suitable for you.
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thanks JRG1990. i haven't heard of the amps and dacs you mentioned above before but i went on to do some research on them and found out that they were awesome.  thanks buddy! btw, do you think it is worth investing in a set of USB/speaker cables.  in terms of bang for the buck would it make a load of difference?

post #6 of 13

No but a shielded usb cable might help id recommend this 1 http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Gold-6-Foot-Cable-DSTP/dp/B00004Z5T2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1325870212&sr=8-2 , it's $3 and it's shielded , also keep it short the shorter the better if you can keep the cable length under 6ft. Speaker cables aren't affected by RF it's just a case of getting the right gauge so just choose a large gauge cable thats suitable 18gauge for a 1 metre run and decrease the gauge number for every other metre , also you have the choice of connecters, bare wire , bannana plugs or speaker pins.

post #7 of 13

I was in your situation a while back but I've decided to go the Active route. I've always wanted tube flavours and warmth in my setup but investing a decent tube amp for passive speakers was quite pricely. I am now using the Swans M200 MKIII active speakers, with NFB-12 DAC + Yaqin CD3 Tube Buffer. Not only does is this a budget speaker setup but definitely sounds more than what its worth. Thinking about maybe upgrading the DAC to a tube dac, just love that tubey sound. JRG1990, there isn't really much point spending over 500 dollar for a DAC, i'll say something around the 300-400 spot will yield the best bang for buck sound.

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thanks eclips.  did the tube buffer make a lot of difference to the sound quality? which tube DAC are you considering?  are they expensive?

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by the way eclipes, i'm also wondering why you opted for a tube buffer rather than a tube preamp. thinking about possible paths to upgrade in the future.  i know it's still early days but ... hey, doesn't hurt to learn more yah?

post #10 of 13

Id avoid audio-gd stuff, there discrete op-amps peform poorly compared to standard op-amps and they write rubbish about op-amps colouring the sound and how feedback is evil clearly there knowledge of cicuits is poor.

 

Also the tube buffer performs poorly the Yaqin CD3 Tube Buffer mentioned in it's specs says S/N Ratio: >=60db(A) that means it can't handle 16bit audio it degrades it to around 12bit signal to noise of 96db is needed for 16bit audio.

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Yeah the tube buffer is a good way to add that tube warmth into the system. Its cheap and decent, definitely sounds really good with my Swans. There are a few pretty popular tube dacs but they do get pricey. MHDT Havana, Eastern Electric are all upper end models. I chose a buffer because it was the cheapest option and I had no need for headphones or else I would have went the Woo Audio route. The DAC i was looking at is the Grant Fidelity Tube Dac 11, which is quite decent in price, around 325$ but its quite new so I'm still waiting a bit on reviews before if i want to take the plunge.
 

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thanks eclips.  did the tube buffer make a lot of difference to the sound quality? which tube DAC are you considering?  are they expensive?

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by the way eclipes, i'm also wondering why you opted for a tube buffer rather than a tube preamp. thinking about possible paths to upgrade in the future.  i know it's still early days but ... hey, doesn't hurt to learn more yah?



 

post #12 of 13

really I didn't know that but from the buffer, I'm getting good results.. no degradation at all. As for audiogd products, there are plenty of happy users so I wouldn't think you recommend others to "avoid" it.
 

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Id avoid audio-gd stuff, there discrete op-amps peform poorly compared to standard op-amps and they write rubbish about op-amps colouring the sound and how feedback is evil clearly there knowledge of cicuits is poor.

 

Also the tube buffer performs poorly the Yaqin CD3 Tube Buffer mentioned in it's specs says S/N Ratio: >=60db(A) that means it can't handle 16bit audio it degrades it to around 12bit signal to noise of 96db is needed for 16bit audio.



 

post #13 of 13

I said I would avoid it, because I've seen the measurements of there discrete op-amps here http://www.sg-acoustics.ch/analogue_audio/ic_opamps/index.html and they measure really poorly very high in THD they actually reach a audiable 1% @ 10khz with a 600ohm load, So I don't have any faith in there circuit design also they spout such non factual nonsense on there site "When the IC opamp is used for audio, the performance is less than satisfactory" despite these IC op-amps outperforming theres. There dacs do have loads of good subjective reviews but these are completly meaning less to me.

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