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post #31 of 98

Sorry - I jumped to conclusions when you mentioned your main genres.  "Most" people who have those main genres seem to be looking for a bassy can.  I should have asked first.

 

First point - you're not going to find a closed can with really good accurate soundstage (unless you go top tier) - for that you need an open or semi-open can.

 

You could try the 940 - but to me they weren't well balanced - quite coloured as I mentioned earlier.  Again - even with bass aside - I don't think they'd particularly suit your genres.  I'll go back to my original suggestion - Fischer Fa-003 or Brainwavz HM5.  There are reviews on both - they're practically identical.  They also tick most of your boxes:

 

* Not bad soundstage for a closed can

* Great sound quality

* Reasonable accurate / balanced sound.  Perhaps a little etched in the highs.  Good mids and bass impact.

* Detachable cable

* Comfortable

* Well built

 

They'll do most genres well.  Remind me of my HD600 - just not quite as natural + the HD600 has better presentation, dynamics, and is a little more laid back.

 

Basically you will have to make a choice on the strengths.  If you want a gaming can - get an open or semi-open.  If you want a closed all-rounder, try the FA-003 or HM5.

post #32 of 98
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

Sorry - I jumped to conclusions when you mentioned your main genres.  "Most" people who have those main genres seem to be looking for a bassy can.  I should have asked first.

 

First point - you're not going to find a closed can with really good accurate soundstage (unless you go top tier) - for that you need an open or semi-open can.

 

You could try the 940 - but to me they weren't well balanced - quite coloured as I mentioned earlier.  Again - even with bass aside - I don't think they'd particularly suit your genres.  I'll go back to my original suggestion - Fischer Fa-003 or Brainwavz HM5.  There are reviews on both - they're practically identical.  They also tick most of your boxes:

 

* Not bad soundstage for a closed can

* Great sound quality

* Reasonable accurate / balanced sound.  Perhaps a little etched in the highs.  Good mids and bass impact.

* Detachable cable

* Comfortable

* Well built

 

They'll do most genres well.  Remind me of my HD600 - just not quite as natural + the HD600 has better presentation, dynamics, and is a little more laid back.

 

Basically you will have to make a choice on the strengths.  If you want a gaming can - get an open or semi-open.  If you want a closed all-rounder, try the FA-003 or HM5.



well hip hop is my main genre to be honest, but i listen to Linkin Park and Coldplay for example, and I dont need huge bass for them, so thats why I barely need bass :)


well yes, at first I was looking for a bassy can as well, but considering I listen to Adele, LP, Coldplay and stuff like that as well as hip hop, so.. i changed my mind :) WHO KNOWS MAYBE I'LL CHANGE MY COURSE AGAIN TO BASSY CANS lol :D but at this point - not.

 

are these brands well trusted? I expressed my opinion earlier, that I only trust Sennheiser, Shure, and (maybe) Beyerdynamic, so Im not sure abuot them. also, have you tried them? btw, what about HD 380 PRO by Sennheiser? are they good or nowhere near HD 598?

 

 

damn, considering how great HD 598 sound (so ive heard anyway, not personal experience), and knowing that the only problem with them is that they are leaking sound, DAMN!!!!!!!! DAMN!!!!! only if they were closed :( btw, i cant try them personally, cause the nearest headphones store is 5-6 miles away, i looked on youtube for a noise leak test/review but couldnt find any :) It would have helped me so much.

post #33 of 98

Fischer products can be hard to get your hands on. The reviews that I *have* seen all rate it favorably. It was often compared to HD600 and HD650. The soundstage was stated to be quite open for a closed headphone.

 

 

post #34 of 98
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

You could try the 940 - but to me they weren't well balanced - quite coloured as I mentioned earlier.

What's funny is that almost every "professional" review I've found are saying they are balanced.
Tyll, didn't publish an official review  yet.
 

@LuciferRising

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well hip hop is my main genre to be honest, but i listen to Linkin Park and Coldplay for example, and I dont need huge bass for them, so thats why I barely need bass :)

I wouldn't recommend the hd598 for hip hop either.

 

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Originally Posted by LuciferRising View Post
 

are these brands well trusted? I expressed my opinion earlier, that I only trust Sennheiser, Shure, and (maybe) Beyerdynamic, so Im not sure abuot them. also, have you tried them?

 

You'd see numerous thread of people talking of Fisher or Brainwaz headphones. I believe that the  the advantage of less known brand, is that you pay less for the name. 

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btw, what about HD 380 PRO by Sennheiser? are they good or nowhere near HD 598?

This thread might help:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/588580/hd595-drivers-into-closed-headphones
I  guess from this thread that re-using the same driver as hd598 on a closed design, would  "sounds pretty good but not that impressive".
Off course you would loose the great soundstage : that's the main reason for having an open design.

 

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Originally Posted by LuciferRising View Post

damn, considering how great HD 598 sound (so ive heard anyway, not personal experience)

No, No, & No, don't rely blindly on reviews. There a lot of hype usually surrounding  Sennheiser headphones, but  if you search well you see people disappointed by the hd598.   Even if the hd598 offers better clarity than hd595, they are still lacking of it from  what I've gathered. I  bought both the senheiser hd595, and the sennheiser IE7  (IEM) and for both I'd say "good for everything, but often not impressive".

post #35 of 98
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

What's funny is that almost every "professional" review I've found are saying they are balanced.
Tyll, didn't publish an official review  yet.
 

@LuciferRising

I wouldn't recommend the hd598 for hip hop either.

 

You'd see numerous thread of people talking of Fisher or Brainwaz headphones. I believe that the  the advantage of less known brand, is that you pay less for the name. 

This thread might help:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/588580/hd595-drivers-into-closed-headphones
I  guess from this thread that re-using the same driver as hd598 on a closed design, would  "sounds pretty good but not that impressive".
Off course you would loose the great soundstage : that's the main reason for having an open design.

 

No, No, & No, don't rely blindly on reviews. There a lot of hype usually surrounding  Sennheiser headphones, but  if you search well you see people disappointed by the hd598.   Even if the hd598 offers better clarity than hd595, they are still lacking of it from  what I've gathered. I  bought both the senheiser hd595, and the sennheiser IE7  (IEM) and for both I'd say "good for everything, but often not impressive".


 

 

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btw, what about HD 380 PRO by Sennheiser? are they good or nowhere near HD598?

 

how is the

  •  soundstage
  • sound quality
  • accuracy
  • rich sound
  • detail
  • critical listening

 

on 380 pro?

 


Edited by LuciferRising - 1/4/12 at 7:50am
post #36 of 98
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and everyone says different thing, one say Closed are better for gaming, others say Open because of the soundstage. im confused big time. I think its closed that are better for gaming, cuz NO noise leaking IN at all. so thats it. im finished thinking about this anymore.

 

saw couple of reviews of Brainwavz HM5, they are all (almost all) good. So im adding them to my "shortlist" right away, which is very short itself. lol :D

post #37 of 98

If this can help, here  are some generalities when going from open design , to closed design (if you disregard exceptions):
- soundstage is smaller
- less refined sound

-  more bass

 

I found the sound of my srh940 , as refined,  if not more , than my hd595. But only when using a good source ( in my case a xonar stx). And it has roughly same  amount of bass, but I think the bass of srh940 is better .

post #38 of 98
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Originally Posted by LuciferRising View Post

are these brands well trusted? I expressed my opinion earlier, that I only trust Sennheiser, Shure, and (maybe) Beyerdynamic, so Im not sure abuot them. also, have you tried them? btw, what about HD 380 PRO by Sennheiser? are they good or nowhere near HD 598?

 


Yes - I own the HM5.  I don't recommend a can unless I have either tried them extensively, or owned them.

 

And gaming is usually better on an open headphone because of the soundstage.  Also a non-bassy can (or well balanced can) is better if you are looking for positional accuracy.  That's why I earlier recommended the DT880 - it is good for both (once again - yes I owned them, and yes I game).

 

If isolation is not huge for you - just get the HD598.  I don't own it, but have heard it - it's a nice can - good soundstage, nice forward midrange - very comfortable.  Otherwise HM5 would be my recommendation for closed.

 

BTW - I'm assuming you have a mixamp, or soundcard that can do CMSS or dolby surround?  If not - then you aren't going to get positional accuracy in your gaming anyway.

post #39 of 98
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isolation is needed.

 

im considering getting an Amp but not sure what brand and what model and etc.

 

so yea help with that :)

post #40 of 98

 

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on 380 pro?

 

HD380pro is very uncomfortable, you ll have a very good isolation but with a crushed head,lol.

post #41 of 98
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Originally Posted by LuciferRising View Post

isolation is needed.

 

im considering getting an Amp but not sure what brand and what model and etc.

 

so yea help with that :)



You need a specialised soundcard / amp in order to get positional data for gaming.  I'd suggest that you checkout this guide (http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad-lust-envy-aka-shin-czs-guide-to-headphone-gaming-particularly-with-dolby-headphone) - and maybe post there for some suggestions.  I don't play the latest and greatest FPS - so all I have is an older Soundblaster Live! external (USB) with CMSS for gaming.  I only plug it when I need it.  For everything else (music!) I use my NFB-12.

 

If you ask in the gaming thread, they'll be able to give specialised help.

post #42 of 98
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post



You need a specialised soundcard / amp in order to get positional data for gaming.  I'd suggest that you checkout this guide (http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad-lust-envy-aka-shin-czs-guide-to-headphone-gaming-particularly-with-dolby-headphone) - and maybe post there for some suggestions.  I don't play the latest and greatest FPS - so all I have is an older Soundblaster Live! external (USB) with CMSS for gaming.  I only plug it when I need it.  For everything else (music!) I use my NFB-12.

 

If you ask in the gaming thread, they'll be able to give specialised help.



 

I (almost) only play Counter Strike 1.6. do I need an Amp ?

post #43 of 98
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Originally Posted by LuciferRising View Post



 

I (almost) only play Counter Strike 1.6. do I need an Amp ?


Current processors are fast, and recent games rely less on the soundcard to make sound effects, so EAX is not necessary.
CMSS mode in Xonar STX  sucks  , at least when I've tested it on the hd595 (probably because the soundstage of the headphone is already big).

Dolby Headphone sucks too.
Just get a good amp/dac it's not worth to bother with CMSS or EAX.

 

Do you need an amp ? Depends of the headphone you choose.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 1/4/12 at 2:56pm
post #44 of 98

Short answer to the original question of this thread: YES. easily

These are amongst the most neutral of all cans in my opinion. They are the pinnacle of neutrality and detail. They rival or surpass orthodynamics in this regard. 

This single achievement IMO renders any other superficial faults meaningless.

The bass is so detailed, layered, quick and textured that it is meaningless that the sound doesn't produce the kind of thump a Senn would. The thump is easily achievable with EQ or DSP, it is the detail that is truly important, not the volume of the specific frequencies. 

 

IMO this can destroys everything at this price range, including open cans. In terms of detail, it rivals the Senn HD800. Nuff said!

post #45 of 98



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Originally Posted by LuciferRising View Post

I (almost) only play Counter Strike 1.6. do I need an Amp ?

 

I haven't played Counterstrike - but if it is an FPS, and you want to be able to locate opposition by positional audio (ie - footsteps, voices, etc) - you need to have a sound card capable of processing EAX / CMSS / Dolbyhp to get the surround sound.  Otherwise all you are doing is getting sound in stereo (you won't get the positional accuracy).

 

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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

Current processors are fast, and recent games rely less on the soundcard to make sound effects, so EAX is not necessary.
CMSS mode in Xonar STX  sucks  , at least when I've tested it on the hd595 (probably because the soundstage of the headphone is already big).

Dolby Headphone sucks too.
Just get a good amp/dac it's not worth to bother with CMSS or EAX.

 

Do you need an amp ? Depends of the headphone you choose.


 With all due respect - have you ever played an FPS on a well set-up computer using headphones and either dolbyhp, EAX or CMSS?  The reason I ask is that your statement above doesn't make sense./  We're not talking sound effects here - we're talking about the ability to process 3D surround to track footsteps, voices etc for positional accuracy.  You cannot do that in stereo with headphones.  You plug the headphones in, set the computer audio to 5.1 / 7.1, then use the EAC/CMSS/dolbyhp processing within the soundcard do the actual 3D work.  If you haven't tried it - then you should.  With the right set-up, it can be incredibly accurate and add another dimension to FPS gaming.

 

 

@LuciferRising - for either the HD598 or HM5 (if you go that route) - neither need amping - both are very efficient headphones.  I only mentioned the sound card IF you need the positional processing for gaming.

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