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post #856 of 3050
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Originally Posted by Mambosenior View Post

"I was merely comparing them as far as their expansive soundstage which is a HUGE similarity between the two and one that i'm sure the HD700 shares as well. "

You know, I read this constantly about the HD-800 but don't understand the observation, at all. Recordings that have a large "soundstage" (recorded that way) come across with that quality even on my speaker system. Recordings that sound as if recorded in a small closet sound closed-in on the HD-800 as well as over speakers. The issue with most headphones is that the majority cannot reproduce the recorded ambience accurately. That the HD-800 and a few others are capable of delivering this is the norm, not the exception.

 

I agree. I thought to mention this too, but for some reason I decided to stick to headphones. Indeed after listening to my speakers any headphones could be found as lacking in soundstage composition and presentation, as recorded. Even the HD800s can struggle to compete. I do appreciate and enjoy the more intimate presentation of many/most heapdhones, but it's not necessarly the benchmark.


Edited by negura - 5/30/13 at 6:05pm
post #857 of 3050

Well here is my take on the whole deal with the LCD2.2s: I am right this minute sitting here listening to CSNY Deja Vu and what I am missing right now this very second is a distinct lack of sound stage. And what I have started to define as something else that I am not absolutely crazy about: an overly warm signature with some lack of detail. That would put me in the unhappy position of owning these headphones and not being totally thrilled with them. Not that they are terrible but that they are not performing as well as I would like them to. Also there are going to be people who will read these performance analyses and will be dissuaded from buying them used. I think it is time to upgrade and may not be able to sell these cans but I guess I can keep them around if I ever get the urge to listen to some dark rolled-off treble musical compositions. Now the amp and dac I am using definitely do not contribute to this if anything they help get around the inherent limitations: Schiit Mjolnir and Gungnir dac which some may even [erroneously] claim to be treble tilted. Well it is my opinion that is not true but whatever. The fact is the Mjo is a brute of an amp and it is neutral and it slaps these LCDs into submission when it is time to rock and they do that. The problem is when it is not time to rock and then these cans are not all that. Oh well I have learned a lot about head-bound audio and could have done a lot worse with initial headphone selection. Nobody said it would be cheap to get to roughly end-game... 

post #858 of 3050
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Originally Posted by commtrd View Post

Well here is my take on the whole deal with the LCD2.2s: I am right this minute sitting here listening to CSNY Deja Vu and what I am missing right now this very second is a distinct lack of sound stage. And what I have started to define as something else that I am not absolutely crazy about: an overly warm signature with some lack of detail. That would put me in the unhappy position of owning these headphones and not being totally thrilled with them. Not that they are terrible but that they are not performing as well as I would like them to. Also there are going to be people who will read these performance analyses and will be dissuaded from buying them used. I think it is time to upgrade and may not be able to sell these cans but I guess I can keep them around if I ever get the urge to listen to some dark rolled-off treble musical compositions. Now the amp and dac I am using definitely do not contribute to this if anything they help get around the inherent limitations: Schiit Mjolnir and Gungnir dac which some may even [erroneously] claim to be treble tilted. Well it is my opinion that is not true but whatever. The fact is the Mjo is a brute of an amp and it is neutral and it slaps these LCDs into submission when it is time to rock and they do that. The problem is when it is not time to rock and then these cans are not all that. Oh well I have learned a lot about head-bound audio and could have done a lot worse with initial headphone selection. Nobody said it would be cheap to get to roughly end-game... 

 

IMO and many don't share my opinion on this.  However, I think the combo you have going is the best your going to get out of the LCD-2.2  That Schiit stack brings out the best in them.

post #859 of 3050

One headphone I wouldn't mind picking up again is the HE-500.  The HE-6 is more technically adept in certain areas (extension in bass and treble) and more transparent, but the HE-500 was more enjoyable to me; it just felt more natural and midrange-centric.  If I didn't have the FirstWatt F1 I may have hated the HE-6 but that combo really is something special and unique - I even preferred it to the K1000/F1 combo in most regards.  As time went on I simply reached for the HD800 more and found the HE-6 a bit grating in a way I never felt with the HD800.  I also found the HE-500 lacking in resolution and transparency compared to the HD800 so those departed.  However, every time I think about selling my LCDs I put 'em on my head, fire up some Led Zeppelin or Rush and then I quickly remind myself what I fool I must be for entertaining such a thought... L3000.gif

post #860 of 3050
Thread Starter 

Great to hear so much love for the LCD-3s. These are my second favourite headphones of all time (after the SR009s) and I am still very happy to own a pair! L3000.gif

post #861 of 3050
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Great to hear so much love for the LCD-3s. These are my second favourite headphones of all time (after the SR009s) and I am still very happy to own a pair! L3000.gif

 

I just purchased an HD800, which arrived today and my LCD3s are less than a month and a half old. Now, I want to try the Staxs to see how they compare. ******* head-fi and the "pursuit of happyness" XD.

 

Edit: So apparently, you can't cuss here without big brother watching. Well, I'll be gosh darned!


Edited by varyV - 5/30/13 at 9:08pm
post #862 of 3050
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Originally Posted by commtrd View Post

Well here is my take on the whole deal with the LCD2.2s: I am right this minute sitting here listening to CSNY Deja Vu and what I am missing right now this very second is a distinct lack of sound stage. And what I have started to define as something else that I am not absolutely crazy about: an overly warm signature with some lack of detail. That would put me in the unhappy position of owning these headphones and not being totally thrilled with them. Not that they are terrible but that they are not performing as well as I would like them to. Also there are going to be people who will read these performance analyses and will be dissuaded from buying them used. I think it is time to upgrade and may not be able to sell these cans but I guess I can keep them around if I ever get the urge to listen to some dark rolled-off treble musical compositions. Now the amp and dac I am using definitely do not contribute to this if anything they help get around the inherent limitations: Schiit Mjolnir and Gungnir dac which some may even [erroneously] claim to be treble tilted. Well it is my opinion that is not true but whatever. The fact is the Mjo is a brute of an amp and it is neutral and it slaps these LCDs into submission when it is time to rock and they do that. The problem is when it is not time to rock and then these cans are not all that. Oh well I have learned a lot about head-bound audio and could have done a lot worse with initial headphone selection. Nobody said it would be cheap to get to roughly end-game... 

 

Though I was also not a fan of the LCD-2.1 or 2.2, the V800/V200 did actually make them sound great.  If only I didn't feel like my cheeks were being compressed by the minute, I may have kept them. 

post #863 of 3050

I've been wanting a pair of LCD-3s for months. I tried the LCD2.2 and liked them a lot, but i was missing the refinement in sound i'd been getting with the HD800 and T1. So i finally found myself in a position to get a used LCD-3, providing I sell either the HD800 or the T1.

 

So, last week I sold the T1 and bought a pair of LCD-3s that had been bought new in January this year, and did not even have a lot of hours on them.

 

Bummer of bummers, within a week of getting them the right channel went out on me completely. Out like a light. Clicked back on for a few minutes and sounded fine, then went out again and stayed out. I have not read through this thread to try to analyze the repair hisory of LCD-3s in more recent times, but I do wonder about it.

 

Anyway, the folks at Audeze were nice as can be and promised to turn them right around, so I popped for overnighting them today to cali.with the hope that they would try to get them back out to me for Friday delivery. I REALLY want them back, as I was beginning to get addicted to what they could do for any music that kicks out (ie they made hi rez needledrops of Natty Dread sound just amazing, and though jazz in general sounded fine, on kick butt lps like Miles Jack Johnson (ah..miles and mcclaughlan, how nice!) they blew me away. also blew me away on all the rock I threw at them, including 45 rpm Led Zep. on quieter more acoustic based stuff I dug the hd800s more. but i was just scratching the surface, and had just moved away from tubes in the path to them to all solid state with my rsa hr2, and thought they REALLY liked the ss approach, when they died on me.

 

anybody with encouraging words is welcome to share them: i am bummed and frustrated.   


Edited by analog'd - 6/3/13 at 5:51pm
post #864 of 3050

This thread is developing a frustrating sense of deja vu frown.gif

post #865 of 3050
^ It is indeed. Just when one is ready to take the plunge...

Wonder if they got a bad batch of material confused.gif

Edit: Over on 'The new Audeze LCD3' thread there are I think 2 or 3 failures, all with charts April this year (so not bought January, obviously)
Edited by AiDee - 6/3/13 at 6:40pm
post #866 of 3050

umm, these are not encouraging words...


Edited by analog'd - 6/3/13 at 7:07pm
post #867 of 3050
Sorry about that...

OTOH, they do have superb customer service, a five-year warranty, and AFAIK there have not been reports of failures for a while now.

Frustrating that issues arise from time to time, but they do seem to take them seriously and sort them out. They kinda have to, being a small company dependent on a limited, select product range...
post #868 of 3050
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Originally Posted by AiDee View Post

^ It is indeed. Just when one is ready to take the plunge...

Wonder if they got a bad batch of material confused.gif

Edit: Over on 'The new Audeze LCD3' thread there are I think 2 or 3 failures, all with charts April this year (so not bought January, obviously)

LCD-3 Failures... hmmm... Should I be worried? Opinions appreciated.  

 

I have a LCD-2.2 on loan from The Cable Company (all their LCD-3s were loaned out already). The 2.2 is fully broken-in a few times over and it sounds so good that I immediately ordered an LCD-3 without ever hearing it (based also on this thread and all the great reviews). I received the 3 this afternoon. Now I have to send the 2.2 back, but today and tonight, I'm spending hours AB-ing the two cans. Granted, it's not apples to apples, since the 3 is right out of the box and the 2.2 is fully settled in... but the 2.2 sounds better! More dynamic, fuller, richer, more musical sound overall.

 

So my question is to those of you who have or have had access to both units at the same time. Did your rev 2.2 sound better than the 3 initially, and how many hours of burn did it take to for the 3 to come out ahead? Or, do I have a compromised LCD-3, as in the "failures" you mentioned (my LCD-3 chart is dated April 30) ?

 

Looking forward to hearing your experience and advice.

 

Cheers!


Edited by Alonski - 6/3/13 at 9:03pm
post #869 of 3050
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Originally Posted by Alonski View Post

LCD-3 Failures... hmmm... Should I be worried? Opinions appreciated.  

 

I have a LCD-2.2 on loan from The Cable Company (all their LCD-3s were loaned out already). The 2.2 is fully broken-in a few times over and it sounds so good that I immediately ordered an LCD-3 without ever hearing it (based also on this thread and all the great reviews). I received the 3 this afternoon. Now I have to send the 2.2 back, but today and tonight, I'm spending hours AB-ing the two cans. Granted, it's not apples to apples, since the 3 is right out of the box and the 2.2 is fully settled in... but the 2.2 sounds better! More dynamic, fuller, richer, more musical sound overall.

 

So my question is to those of you who have or have had access to both units at the same time. Did your rev 2.2 sound better than the 3 initially, and how many hours of burn did it take to for the 3 to come out ahead? Or, do I have a compromised LCD-3, as in the "failures" you mentioned (my LCD-3 chart is dated April 30) ?

 

Looking forward to hearing your experience and advice.

 

Cheers!

Either your 3 isn't burnt in or you just prefer the 2.

 

For me, the LCD-3 kicked butt right out of the box and It was rather apparent the LCD-2 had to go, personally.

But plenty of people have owned the LCD-3 and reverted back to the 2. Again, preference is everything.

post #870 of 3050

By consensus, the LCD3 is pickier about upstream gear than the LCD2 is. So that could have something to do with it.

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