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post #2701 of 4451
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Originally Posted by Chikolad View Post
 

 

Do you mean the newer fazored 3-s (not non-fazored)?

What's in the rest of your chain? I also have the newer fazored ones and I don't want any more brightness, just an improvement in clarity if possible and in soundstage depth/imaging.

 

Happy Holiday to you, Sir.

 

Also, from our last meet, you didn't seem to be too impressed with the Vega. The biggest differences in soundstage depth/imaging you'd get from a good DAC (which my Vega delivers) and a good amp that can drive the headphones properly, I'm thinking Ragnarok, looks nice, will get it then we hold another meet.

 

But I just thought, if you weren't impressed with the Vega, so getting a cable modification would be just silly for you :D

 

You know what they say, it's not whether it gets you sound, it is how this sound, sounds like :)

post #2702 of 4451
The argument about whether cables make a difference or not has been going on for close to 30 years now, so it obviously won't be resolved here.
post #2703 of 4451
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Originally Posted by Chikolad View Post
 

 

Do you mean the newer fazored 3-s (not non-fazored)?

What's in the rest of your chain? I also have the newer fazored ones and I don't want any more brightness, just an improvement in clarity if possible and in soundstage depth/imaging.

 

I have one of the latter non-fazored -3s from late '13.  I am pretty sure these are different than an earlier edition because they are notably brighter than the a pair that I demoed earlier. I haven't heard the fazored version but I am guessing those are even brighter -- that's effectively how to get improved clarity/imaging I suppose.

 

Burson Conductor -> Q-silk or Black Dragon -> LCD3

 

WIth Q-silk there is noticable improvement in imaging and clarity over the stock.

 

Basically I rate cables I own in this order:

(clearest)     Q-silk

(average)   Black Dragon

(darkest)   stock

 

The difference is very subtle, but it is definitely there IMHO. After hours of listening there I find my hearing more fatigued with Q-silk.


Edited by Digitalchkn - 6/3/14 at 7:12am
post #2704 of 4451
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post
 

 

Happy Holiday to you, Sir.

 

Also, from our last meet, you didn't seem to be too impressed with the Vega. The biggest differences in soundstage depth/imaging you'd get from a good DAC (which my Vega delivers) and a good amp that can drive the headphones properly, I'm thinking Ragnarok, looks nice, will get it then we hold another meet.

 

But I just thought, if you weren't impressed with the Vega, so getting a cable modification would be just silly for you :D

 

You know what they say, it's not whether it gets you sound, it is how this sound, sounds like :)

 

I had a feeling you'd say something about my lousy DAC :)

I'm holding off upgrading the DAC because first of all I have a lot of expenses coming up, and also I'm waiting to see what Schiit have up their sleeves with the Yggdrasil. In the meantime I began being curious about aftermarket cables.

It's not correct to say that I wasn't impressed with the Vega. To tell you the truth it's just not a great environment to audition this kind of components, meets. It's not like listening to it at home where I'm used to listening to my rig.

 

... and a happy holiday to you too.

post #2705 of 4451
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Originally Posted by Digitalchkn View Post
 

 

I have one of the latter non-fazored -3s from late '13.  I am pretty sure these are different than an earlier edition because they are notably brighter than the a pair that I demoed earlier. I haven't heard the fazored version but I am guessing those are even brighter -- that's effectively how to get improved clarity/imaging I suppose.

 

Burson Conductor -> Q-silk or Black Dragon -> LCD3

 

WIth Q-silk there is noticable improvement in imaging and clarity over the stock.

 

Basically I rate cables I own in this order:

(clearest)     Q-silk

(average)   Black Dragon

(darkest)   stock

 

The difference is very subtle, but it is definitely there IMHO. After hours of listening there I find my hearing more fatigued with Q-silk.

 

Thanks Digitalchkn!

Any talk of fatigue scares the hell out of me. What I LOVE about my LCDs is that I can honestly listen for hours on end without getting fatigued, and still be excited with the sound and the music.

Plus knowing we have the same amp (I have the Soloist), and mine being fazored and possibly brighter than yours, contributes to my concern :)

post #2706 of 4451
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Originally Posted by Digitalchkn View Post
 

Basically I rate cables I own in this order:

(clearest)...

(average)...

(darkest)...

Minor nitpick, but clear and dark aren't really on the same axis. As I've always understood it:

bright(treble tilt)...dark(bass tilt)

vs

clear(distinct sounds)...muddled(sound is a mess and hard to hear)

 

bright...dark is more of a quantitative measurement as "better" is in the eye of the beholder.

clear...muddled is more of a qualitative measurement as clear is almost universally better unless you're talking about being able to mask bad recordings. In that case, sometimes muddled is still bad, just less bad.

post #2707 of 4451
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Originally Posted by Chikolad View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digitalchkn View Post
 

 

I have one of the latter non-fazored -3s from late '13.  I am pretty sure these are different than an earlier edition because they are notably brighter than the a pair that I demoed earlier. I haven't heard the fazored version but I am guessing those are even brighter -- that's effectively how to get improved clarity/imaging I suppose.

 

Burson Conductor -> Q-silk or Black Dragon -> LCD3

 

WIth Q-silk there is noticable improvement in imaging and clarity over the stock.

 

Basically I rate cables I own in this order:

(clearest)     Q-silk

(average)   Black Dragon

(darkest)   stock

 

The difference is very subtle, but it is definitely there IMHO. After hours of listening there I find my hearing more fatigued with Q-silk.

 

Thanks Digitalchkn!

Any talk of fatigue scares the hell out of me. What I LOVE about my LCDs is that I can honestly listen for hours on end without getting fatigued, and still be excited with the sound and the music.

Plus knowing we have the same amp (I have the Soloist), and mine being fazored and possibly brighter than yours, contributes to my concern :)

I feel the exact same way about my LCD-3 (fazor),fatigue is a 4 letter word to my ears when listening to music.I also have a Q-silk cable and take my word for it,that cable will NOT make the LCD-3's sound any more fatiguing,again if your buying that cable its 95% for ergonomics and in my opinion worth it.Right now I am very happy with the way my LCD-3's can push out detail WITHOUT sounding fatiguing at all,a tight balancing act to be sure.


Edited by dfarina - 6/3/14 at 9:44am
post #2708 of 4451
I have owned LCD-2.2, LCD-3C, LCD-X, latest LCD-3F and used Q Cable on all. It is the one constant in my system.
post #2709 of 4451
I had the X previously,found it to cold and sterile for my tastes.Went with a used LCD-3 and was very happy,back came that warm organic Audeze sound that I loved with my LCD-2 but with more detail.Unfortunately or actually luckily my driver went on the LCD-3,when I got it back under warranty it was returned with the fazor,a slight bit more detail but in my opinion a very subtle change.Overall for my taste I much prefer the 3's over the X's.............Hope I didn't say anything that pissed off Steve biggrin.gif
post #2710 of 4451
Just curious dfarina, have you tried measuring the DCR of your fixed and returned LCD-3s?

BTW, I am a big LCD-3 fan. I too prefer the earlier LCD-3C and LCD-3F to the LCD-X.
Edited by Jones Bob - 6/3/14 at 3:19pm
post #2711 of 4451
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Originally Posted by dfarina View Post

I had the X previously,found it to cold and sterile for my tastes.Went with a used LCD-3 and was very happy,back came that warm organic Audeze sound that I loved with my LCD-2 but with more detail.Unfortunately or actually luckily my driver went on the LCD-3,when I got it back under warranty it was returned with the fazor,a slight bit more detail but in my opinion a very subtle change.Overall for my taste I much prefer the 3's over the X's.............Hope I didn't say anything that pissed off Steve biggrin.gif

I'm glad you like your LCD-3s with the fazors because I'm in the same situation right now. My 3s are out for repair with what appears to be a left driver problem and Audeze confirmed that if they need replacement, the new drivers with have the fazor.

I was on the fence about upgrading and had up just decided to hold off when the driver started acting up. Go figure.....
post #2712 of 4451
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Originally Posted by Jones Bob View Post

Just curious dfarina, have you tried measuring the DCR of your fixed and returned LCD-3s?

BTW, I am a big LCD-3 fan. I too prefer the earlier LCD-3C and LCD-3F to the LCD-X.

I'll take a measurement of mine when they return if you like. (Assuming the drivers are replaced as part of the repair).
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

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Originally Posted by dfarina View Post

I had the X previously,found it to cold and sterile for my tastes.Went with a used LCD-3 and was very happy,back came that warm organic Audeze sound that I loved with my LCD-2 but with more detail.Unfortunately or actually luckily my driver went on the LCD-3,when I got it back under warranty it was returned with the fazor,a slight bit more detail but in my opinion a very subtle change.Overall for my taste I much prefer the 3's over the X's.............Hope I didn't say anything that pissed off Steve biggrin.gif

I'm glad you like your LCD-3s with the fazors because I'm in the same situation right now. My 3s are out for repair with what appears to be a left driver problem and Audeze confirmed that if they need replacement, the new drivers with have the fazor.

I was on the fence about upgrading and had up just decided to hold off when the driver started acting up. Go figure.....
Funny thing was I had no idea it had the fazors till a month later when all this fazor talk was firing up.I am very sensitive to harsh mids and highs,so I was relieved when I got the new drivers back to find they weren't that much brighter despite not nowing they were fazored.I think u will be happy with your repaired headphones.
post #2714 of 4451
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post
 

Get back to your HE-6! :wink: 

Ha..   I know your interested in the LCD-3Fs..    Did you like the LCD-X at all?

post #2715 of 4451
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Originally Posted by Chikolad View Post
 

Any talk of fatigue scares the hell out of me. What I LOVE about my LCDs is that I can honestly listen for hours on end without getting fatigued, and still be excited with the sound and the music.

Plus knowing we have the same amp (I have the Soloist), and mine being fazored and possibly brighter than yours, contributes to my concern :)

I feel the exact same way about my LCD-3 (fazor),fatigue is a 4 letter word to my ears when listening to music.I also have a Q-silk cable and take my word for it,that cable will NOT make the LCD-3's sound any more fatiguing,again if your buying that cable its 95% for ergonomics and in my opinion worth it.Right now I am very happy with the way my LCD-3's can push out detail WITHOUT sounding fatiguing at all,a tight balancing act to be sure.

 

Thanks. BTW that looks like a sweet rig!

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