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post #2581 of 4451
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Originally Posted by TwoEars View Post
 

 

Thanks.

 

Well, the way I see it DSD it just the latest industry buzzword. The real question is if it plays good music or not.

 

He could get a eastern electric minimax dac, or a maveric tube dac, for a fraction of the price of DSD and it just might sound better.

 

I'm not saying there's nothing good about DSD, but I think it's a bit early to jump on the bandwagon.

 

Just get something that does the job today and enjoy the music, that's how I look at it. Maybe in 5 years DSD is the standard but that's 5 years from now.

Completely agree. There's a lot of really good DACs in his price range that I think would fit better. DSD(which means Sabre) and Analogue feel don't go together.

post #2582 of 4451
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post
 

Completely agree. There's a lot of really good DACs in his price range that I think would fit better. DSD(which means Sabre) and Analogue feel don't go together.

 

I agree too.

 

Sabre togther with SS is for people who like detail, clarity and precision. If you want a sabre chip to have an analogue feel you need to add a very warm tube amp into the mix.

 

Sabre by itself can be good but a bit clinical, some people love it.. others hate it.


Edited by TwoEars - 3/18/14 at 1:00pm
post #2583 of 4451

Thanks for all the feedback so far, but discussion continues..

 

Anyway, myself, I don't have too much problems with treble, when it's well balanced together with all the other frequencies, for example I actually disliked the Bryston BHA-1 because it was balanced on the bass/mids but treble was seriously too much for me. The question is if this "Sabre" sound is similar to BHA-1?

 

But generally treble area is not a problem, rather Sibilance can be troublesome in cases.

 

I'm still open for suggestions for the next several hours I'll be doing a lot of looking around and active in this thread.

 

P.S: I didn't pick up the GS-X mk2, was too much for me at the time, I wanted to try something a bit better than my STX card amp so I picked up the Lyr, and so far  I'm rather enjoying it based on the amp section.

post #2584 of 4451
^ hmm, good point. I haven't noticed the let's say 'undesirable' aspects of sabre sound compared to my other dacs, but then I use mine almost exclusively with tubes.

Not warm though - I tune my tube amps 'neutral'.
post #2585 of 4451

Interesting question, how is playing games or watching movies using the Auralic Vega? I've heard it has some buffer problems? Or is it only when you set latency really low? On foobar2000 I don't set my latency buffer low anyhow and leave settings fairly default.

post #2586 of 4451
Add Chord Hugo to your list.
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Originally Posted by citraian View Post

Add Chord Hugo to your list.

It is really rather ugly I must say... looks cheap too

post #2588 of 4451
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post
 

It is really rather ugly I must say... looks cheap too


That's funny, I bet they went for that design to make it look expensive. :rolleyes:

post #2589 of 4451
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It is really rather ugly I must say... looks cheap too
I thought you were after some other things like sound quality. I didn't see you mention looks.
post #2590 of 4451

Happy Vega + Hilo (+ DA11) owner here!

I also bought Taurus mkII for fun, as a 2nd amp...

However I don't use my LCD-3 anymore, just LCD-X (and even HE-6 with Taurus).

I haven't listened to Hilo since I bought the Vega.

 

From my initial notes comparing the two DACs Hilo is a little bit more "blunt", in your face, more 2D.

Vega is more refined, maybe a little bit "thinner" sounding, builds a room with layers of details that you can listen to, but only if you want to. Vega is more 3D, has a wider soundstage, and has a more dynamic bass.

 

I prefer Taurus over my BHA-1, at least for headphones. As a preamp BHA-1 may be more transparent, hard to test with all switching of XLR cables...

I don't think Taurus has less treble than BHA-1, maybe Taurus has a little bit "fuller" sound though. I haven't compared the two amps that much.

Taurus has a sharper treble with more sibilance than my Bakoon HPA-21, my 1st amp. However Taurus is a very good amp, I can even listen to HE-6 with it, at least when adding some eq...

 

In the beginning I had problems with Vega having drop-outs with the clock set to exact. After trimming my old laptop for music I almost never have a drop-out, it mostly happens when changing sampling frequency. You should always use the exact clock mode. One of the best things with Vega (as well as with HPA-21) is that it sounds so good with ordinary 16/44 material.

post #2591 of 4451
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Originally Posted by CanDude View Post
 

Happy Vega + Hilo (+ DA11) owner here!

I also bought Taurus mkII for fun, as a 2nd amp...

However I don't use my LCD-3 anymore, just LCD-X (and even HE-6 with Taurus).

I haven't listened to Hilo since I bought the Vega.

 

From my initial notes comparing the two DACs Hilo is a little bit more "blunt", in your face, more 2D.

Vega is more refined, maybe a little bit "thinner" sounding, builds a room with layers of details that you can listen to, but only if you want to. Vega is more 3D, has a wider soundstage, and has a more dynamic bass.

 

I prefer Taurus over my BHA-1, at least for headphones. As a preamp BHA-1 may be more transparent, hard to test with all switching of XLR cables...

I don't think Taurus has less treble than BHA-1, maybe Taurus has a little bit "fuller" sound though. I haven't compared the two amps that much.

Taurus has a sharper treble with more sibilance than my Bakoon HPA-21, my 1st amp. However Taurus is a very good amp, I can even listen to HE-6 with it, at least when adding some eq...

 

In the beginning I had problems with Vega having drop-outs with the clock set to exact. After trimming my old laptop for music I almost never have a drop-out, it mostly happens when changing sampling frequency. You should always use the exact clock mode. One of the best things with Vega (as well as with HPA-21) is that it sounds so good with ordinary 16/44 material.

 

Hmm, that's alerting... Either something was wrong with the specific Bryston BHA-1 that I've heard or what people mean by "Transparent" is just more of every frequency present, I don't consider an amp transparent which has more of something specific than the rest, amp should be balanced through the band. Even "warmer" DACs like the Naim Audio didn't do too much justice to the BHA-1 because it was still overly bright (and I'm not talking about sibilant bright, but seriously, WAY too much treble presence)

But I'm glad you like the Vega, do you also manage to watch movies with it and/or play games?

post #2592 of 4451
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post
 

 

Hmm, that's alerting... Either something was wrong with the specific Bryston BHA-1 that I've heard or what people mean by "Transparent" is just more of every frequency present, I don't consider an amp transparent which has more of something specific than the rest, amp should be balanced through the band. Even "warmer" DACs like the Naim Audio didn't do too much justice to the BHA-1 because it was still overly bright (and I'm not talking about sibilant bright, but seriously, WAY too much treble presence)

But I'm glad you like the Vega, do you also manage to watch movies with it and/or play games?

 

I got a frequency chart for my BHA-1, and it is ruler flat (of course). I remember from my comparisons between HPA-21 and BHA-1 that BHA-1 had a tiny bit more treble energy. It's the same thing with Taurus, but I think that the Taurus sound "signature" is closer to HPA-21. Using LCD-X, "s" sounds are maybe a little bit louder in Taurus than in HPA-21, but not much. However the sibilance is more irritating in Taurus. With HPA-21 you hear overly bright "s" sounds but they are not so "irritating", IMO. Note that this is with LCD-X, not LCD-3. Both Taurus and HPA-21 are optimized for LCD-3 according to the manufacturers. It would be interesting to compare HPA-21's little brother HPA-01 with Taurus since they are in the same price range.

 

I don't play games, I play music... :D

Listening to the news or some TV show via Vega - HPA-21/Taurus - LCD-X is fun, I often think of how good common speech, background sounds and of course music sound.

post #2593 of 4451
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post

Hmm, that's alerting... Either something was wrong with the specific Bryston BHA-1 that I've heard or what people mean by "Transparent" is just more of every frequency present, I don't consider an amp transparent which has more of something specific than the rest, amp should be balanced through the band. Even "warmer" DACs like the Naim Audio didn't do too much justice to the BHA-1 because it was still overly bright (and I'm not talking about sibilant bright, but seriously, WAY too much treble presence)
But I'm glad you like the Vega, do you also manage to watch movies with it and/or play games?

Not really gonna help with any specific recommendations but just want to share that at your target price range you most likely won't find any universally bad DAC. Most will be great for different people. But there simply isn't one best DAC for everyone. There will never be the "best" even factoring in your set of criteria, and even you yourself will have different preferences down the road as the differences of these very capable DACs, while material, are still highly dependent on synergy and personal preferences. There really is no shortcut to finding "the ONE" without the expensive journey of buying and selling different components and wires.

Since you already did your homework in Vega, why not just roll with it and take this as the starting but not finishing line? This hobby is not like PC or gaming where there is a objective "end-game". Having said that u can also just pick one, be contend, and never find out how other combos sounded like.
post #2594 of 4451
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post


Not really gonna help with any specific recommendations but just want to share that at your target price range you most likely won't find any universally bad DAC. Most will be great for different people. But there simply isn't one best DAC for everyone. There will never be the "best" even factoring in your set of criteria, and even you yourself will have different preferences down the road as the differences of these very capable DACs, while material, are still highly dependent on synergy and personal preferences. There really is no shortcut to finding "the ONE" without the expensive journey of buying and selling different components and wires.

Since you already did your homework in Vega, why not just roll with it and take this as the starting but not finishing line? This hobby is not like PC or gaming where there is a objective "end-game". Having said that u can also just pick one, be contend, and never find out how other combos sounded like.

well said ....

post #2595 of 4451

It's 100% the Auralic Vega by now, I'm on process of ordering it, pretty much pulled the trigger. So, since it's EMS, hope that it will arrive soon enough.

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