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post #1516 of 4457
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post
 

I'm still confused, is the HD800 more of a bargain compared to the LCD-3? You people seem to be talking about how the HD800 can sound so much better on a proper setup.

 

There's a huge price difference between the HD800 and the LCD-3...

 

And the LCD3s are worth every dam penny and more. IMHO that is. And those of my people.

post #1517 of 4457
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

No axe-grinding here-I'm just curious about the scalability of both of these flagships personally. I think the HD800 has the higher ceiling, and I think Solude has experienced the chameleon-esque character of both these flagships. I can relate-as I too have owned the HD800 three different times now. It's a pesky sucker-hard to nail down in a system ime. I have heard it sound 'good' on a number of amps-but I've only heard it sound 'great' on...1. Actually for those on a budget-I'd argue it sounds great on the m-Stage, seeing as that's one of a few ss amps that mates well with it, at bargain bin pricing no less.

 

The Audezes seem to be much less picky about amplification-such it their nature. That in no means suggest they can't scale pretty high, but I'd be surprised if anything could best the Senn on a no holds barred budget. Even then, they'd still require system synergy more than any other cans imo.

 

OT-how do the LCD 3s compare to the HD800 in terms of accurate imaging and soundstaging? The 2.2s sucked in this regard, but I've heard the 3s are much better. Do they at least come within spitting distance of the Senns?

 

-Daniel

 

yes. the reason so many of us swear that they are worth their price is that they are indeed on a similar level (as the hd800). i sold the lcd-2 because it was not on that level, while i found the beyer t1 was (is) in many ways (soundstage not so much, but imaging is very fine indeed).  the lcd-3 has the "meat on the bones" sonic leanings of the lcd-2 but to my ear is simply way more refined - with far greater imaging and soundstage. even for large scale classical they sound great until i swap out to the hd800 and then that huge stage takes the cake. i could live with the lcd-3 as a sole headphone although i'd miss the hd800. the reverse is not true. there are rock recordings for which the hd800's transparency doesn't make up for a certain lack of weight in the sound. for me it's similar to two different types of speakers that i enjoy having around: a jbl or time window for some more slamming  rock (or what have you) and a kef 105.2 for finesse/delicasy/transparency/refinement. There are times when the kef105.2's dont slam enough (led zep I and II for instance). but there are times when their refinements support the music amazingly well (symphonic classical, abbey road, tea for the tillerman, bill evans).  to my ear EVERYTHING sounds good on the LCD-3, but now and then a recording will benefit from the more "open" (ie transparency combined with broader staging/imaging) that the hd800 delivers. also - there are some recordings for which the 800s to my ear seem to exhibit a weird voicing; almost artificial sounding. and they are always more analytical. there are people here who wrote them off pointing to one or the other of those two attributes; but i find that they are not so analytical as to be antiseptic and that the "artificial" presentation is a rare occurance. then again I NEVER think the LCD-3 sounds anything but natural. it brings out the organic elements in recordings i've been hearing for 40 to 50 years more consistantly than any headphone or speaker i've ever used. yet delivers the detail and imaging that make me proclaim them to be on that highest level of refinement/finesse. my suggestion is to own both. if the 800s dont cut it for you they are easily resold. but there is no way that the lcd-3s won't cut it except if you listen to classical strictly or somethin'. these are both KILLER instruments of music delivery, people. but listening/enjoying music is SO subjective that only you will be able to decide for yourself what the nuances delivered by either set of headphones adds up to for you and your collection.            


Edited by analog'd - 9/14/13 at 9:45pm
post #1518 of 4457

wow huge discussion.

 

umm i think i prefer HD 800 on GSX MK2 to the ZD by a good margin, it really is that much better, though its also different. i can finally see why people say the HD 800 scales so much and takes on an electrostatic kinda sound to them, nothing i've heard yet has done that before this. i still love my hd 800 out of WA2 though (or ZD with those 6SL7 sophia tubes), but its a different kinda sound, smoother and warmer, but not as transparent or detailed or whatever out of GSX, u know, that wire with gain?

 

now umm, LCD-3 scale alot as well, and even the HE-500 (like WTF, they sound incredible with GSX MK2, i already though they where pretty damn good with WA6-SE, and when i upgraded my dac, i saw the most improvement with these).

 

the LCD-3 do have better imaging/soundstage than LCD-2, by a noticeable amount, but the biggest difference i noticed now with the GSX is that  i can finally agree with Macedonianhero when he claimed the LCD-3 to have equal soundstage/imaging to the Beyerdynamic T1, it really did get much much better than what i've heard before with my WA6-SE.

 

i wish LCD-3 had as much bass as LCD-2r2. its slightly less in impact, but everything else on LCD-3 is better. (and HE-6 i see has the bass i want), its funny how with LCD-3, when i would use LCD-2, it was for the bass, now i use the LCD-3 for the warmth and smoothness, i might even get LCD-2 again if i end up with some extra money laying around.


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 9/14/13 at 10:31pm
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wow huge discussion.

 

umm i think i prefer HD 800 on GSX MK2 to the ZD by a good margin, it really is that much better, though its also different. i can finally see why people say the HD 800 scales so much and takes on an electrostatic kinda sound to them, nothing i've heard yet has done that before this. i still love my hd 800 out of WA2 though (or ZD with those 6SL7 sophia tubes), but its a different kinda sound, smoother and warmer, but not as transparent or detailed or whatever out of GSX, u know, that wire with gain?

 

now umm, LCD-3 scale alot as well, and even the HE-500 (like WTF, they sound incredible with GSX MK2, i already though they where pretty damn good with WA6-SE, and when i upgraded my dac, i saw the most improvement with these).

 

the LCD-3 do have better imaging/soundstage than LCD-2, by a noticeable amount, but the biggest difference i noticed now with the GSX is that  i can finally agree with Macedonianhero when he claimed the LCD-3 to have equal soundstage/imaging to the Beyerdynamic T1, it really did get much much better than what i've heard before with my WA6-SE.

 

i wish LCD-3 had as much bass as LCD-2r2. its slightly less in impact, but everything else on LCD-3 is better. (and HE-6 i see has the bass i want), its funny how with LCD-3, when i would use LCD-2, it was for the bass, now i use the LCD-3 for the warmth and smoothness, i might even get LCD-2 again if i end up with some extra money laying around.

 

such little commentry on the he-6 :p

post #1520 of 4457

LCD-3 thread 

:biggrin:

 

 

anyways i'm loving the HE-6, they are better than the HE-500 at the one thing i really enjoy using hifiman's for, and thats electronic music.

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How much power does the Headamp put into 50 ohms, balanced. There was discussion earlier that it was 8W, but that never was confirmed...?

 

-Daniel

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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

LCD-3 thread 

:biggrin:

 

 

anyways i'm loving the HE-6, they are better than the HE-500 at the one thing i really enjoy using hifiman's for, and thats electronic music.

 

okay dg ;),

 

when you get tired of that gs-x come to me

post #1523 of 4457
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

How much power does the Headamp put into 50 ohms, balanced. There was discussion earlier that it was 8W, but that never was confirmed...?

 

-Daniel

 

yeah im wondering the same thing.

 

its just enough to be considered perfectly driven without issues. i wish it had 2-3 dB more of headroom for it to be perfection, but its certainly enough for everything. 

post #1524 of 4457

Apples to Oranges folks. Apples to Oranges.

 

 

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OT-how do the LCD 3s compare to the HD800 in terms of accurate imaging and soundstaging? The 2.2s sucked in this regard

Well that's a wee bit of hyperbole, don't you think? 3 was quite a bit better, but the 2.2 didn't necessarily "suck" either...


Edited by Girls Generation - 9/14/13 at 11:05pm
post #1525 of 4457

i prefer the LCD-2's bass presentation over the 3, though the 3 does everything else better than the 2.

post #1526 of 4457

They are poor in this regard...very poor. Better?

 

Keep in mind this is all in direct comparison to the HD800s, so maybe not a fair comparison. The dynamics of the LCD 2.2s, otoh, really did suck. It's like it's tuned for the modern loudness wars-which must be why they're so good with modern rock. :P

 

-Daniel

post #1527 of 4457
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

They are poor in this regard...very poor. Better?

 

Keep in mind this is all in direct comparison to the HD800s, so maybe not a fair comparison. The dynamics of the LCD 2.2s, otoh, really did suck. It's like it's tuned for the modern loudness wars-which must be why they're so good with modern rock. :P

 

-Daniel

 

the soundstage imaging and dynamics of the LCD-3 are much much better than LCD-2.

 

i do listen to alot of modern loud music, so i think thats why i feel like i also need LCD-2 around for that. 

 

the LCD-3 is a better all rounder, but the LCD-2 is certainly special as well. just different. 

post #1528 of 4457

Well, in a relative sense, and if we're considering the HD800... the 2.2 do disappoint. But they're good in their own respect when compared with like products ime/o. There are much worse products out there. And the HD800 aren't the King either. Nothing beats speakers (except for live)! :D

post #1529 of 4457

Mmm...speakers. I'll be looking into those again soon after the Levi comes.

 

"When the Levi comes"...I've been saying that **** for over 8 months now lol. The GSX wait will be like a power nap.

 

-Daniel


Edited by BournePerfect - 9/14/13 at 11:49pm
post #1530 of 4457

Is the Levi still rumoured to be $6.5k+?

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