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I have seen too many start-ups struggle through growth before. I have been developing products for too many years and I am just sensitive to such challenges.

Audeze has been around for a number of years already, I wouldn't think that they still qualify as a "start up". I've also seen very piss poor quality from some very old and big companies (Chrysler anyone?).

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FTR, the LCD-3's never had a wood cracking issue due to their design of how the cables are attached to the headphones.

I was more so pointing out their past problems. I don't think the Bamboo's have cracked yet either. 

post #108 of 2875
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I was more so pointing out their past problems. I don't think the Bamboo's have cracked yet either. 

No worries. I think it had to do more with the way the wood was cast with the mini-XLRs coming out of it. Having a metal fitting in this area has virtually eliminated this issue. As the LCD-3s had this metal fitting since day 1, they've been unaffected with this failure mode.

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No worries. I think it had to do more with the way the wood was cast with the mini-XLRs coming out of it. Having a metal fitting in this area has virtually eliminated this issue. As the LCD-3s had this metal fitting since day 1, they've been unaffected with this failure mode.

Completely agree. I think what's more important is the way they handled RMA's with the veil issue.

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Audeze handled both issues exemplary, IMO.

post #111 of 2875
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Audeze has been around for a number of years already, I wouldn't think that they still qualify as a "start up". I've also seen very piss poor quality from some very old and big companies (Chrysler anyone?).

No, they are still what I would consider to be a start-up company from a product design and manufacturing perspective.

The concept that I presented has more to do with what happens to low production items when demand drives volumes up. You encounter more input variability on materials that you never experienced before, you at first duplicate processes to keep up with demand later changing a design and processes to keep up with demand.these all can add up to product quality issues.

This isn't a small company vs. large company issue as you rightly pointed out. Poor quality can come from either. As I said in my earlier post, while demand may tick up from a positive review there is a finite market for HF priced as high as the LCD-3. Which in a sense is good news. Honestly, this is a purely hypothetical concern. Over my 30 years in the business of developing products however it happens often.
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Hi

Being a Brit living in England ,I have to buy most of my 'high end' Headphone Gear 'blind'

I have a pair of LCD3s currently paired with a Rudistor RPX 303 Headphone Amp.(Source is the Meridian 818 Reference Sooloos system)

I would welcome anybodies advice on which Headphone Amp (balanced) I ought to be considering as an upgrade?

In particularly,I would appreciate advice from any person using LCD3s for listening to quality Classical recordings.

I've posted similar comments on various forums with NO response!! I just can't believe there's nobody out there listening to Classical music on Headphones. Is there???

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Hi
Being a Brit living in England ,I have to buy most of my 'high end' Headphone Gear 'blind'
I have a pair of LCD3s currently paired with a Rudistor RPX 303 Headphone Amp.(Source is the Meridian 818 Reference Sooloos system)
I would welcome anybodies advice on which Headphone Amp (balanced) I ought to be considering as an upgrade?
In particularly,I would appreciate advice from any person using LCD3s for listening to quality Classical recordings.
I've posted similar comments on various forums with NO response!! I just can't believe there's nobody out there listening to Classical music on Headphones. Is there???

Hi,

It is a holiday week here in the states. Many participants may be off with there family's. Give it a few days and someone will chime in. There a number of discussions regarding amps and LCD-2s and 3s. Take a look through them if you already haven't. Also many LCD-3 owners may list their amps in their signatures as well. It sounds as if you have made some decisions between balanced vs single ended and between tubes, hybrid and solid state. There are many good options including what you are considering.

Good luck,

Bob
post #114 of 2875
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No, they are still what I would consider to be a start-up company from a product design and manufacturing perspective.
The concept that I presented has more to do with what happens to low production items when demand drives volumes up. You encounter more input variability on materials that you never experienced before, you at first duplicate processes to keep up with demand later changing a design and processes to keep up with demand.these all can add up to product quality issues.
This isn't a small company vs. large company issue as you rightly pointed out. Poor quality can come from either. As I said in my earlier post, while demand may tick up from a positive review there is a finite market for HF priced as high as the LCD-3. Which in a sense is good news. Honestly, this is a purely hypothetical concern. Over my 30 years in the business of developing products however it happens often.

 

No, a start up is well...starting up. They've been making the LCD-2s in pretty good volume for a few years (more than 2). I wouldn't qualify them on your terminology by any means. They've produced products that in my (and many other people's opinions....see my first post in this thread) that surpass many of the old guard companies' products. I've worked in high end electronics manufacturing for over 15 years (in successive engineering roles) and successfully implemented ISO9001 and AS9100 quality standards and I'm very aware of the points you raise, but a start up is just that....a company that's starting up. Audeze is beyond this stage as they've been producing high end headphones in reasonably good volumes for a few years already and as a result, I would not qualify them that way anymore. Did they have problems in the past? Sure...but so has Stax with the SR009 and blown driver issue when they were first released, Grado has the Grattle issue, etc...


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post #115 of 2875
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Hi

Being a Brit living in England ,I have to buy most of my 'high end' Headphone Gear 'blind'

I have a pair of LCD3s currently paired with a Rudistor RPX 303 Headphone Amp.(Source is the Meridian 818 Reference Sooloos system)

I would welcome anybodies advice on which Headphone Amp (balanced) I ought to be considering as an upgrade?

In particularly,I would appreciate advice from any person using LCD3s for listening to quality Classical recordings.

I've posted similar comments on various forums with NO response!! I just can't believe there's nobody out there listening to Classical music on Headphones. Is there???

Depends on what your budget is? Both my Liquid Fire (w/ quad of Siemens E88CC tubes) and GS-X in balanced mode are fantastic with my LCD-3s and classical music.

post #116 of 2875
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No, a start up is well...starting up. They've been making the LCD-2s in pretty good volume for a few years (more than 2). I wouldn't qualify them on your terminology by any means. They've produced products that in my (and many other people's opinions....see my first post in this thread) that surpass many of the old guard companies' products. I've worked in high end electronics manufacturing for over 15 years (in successive engineering roles) and successfully implemented ISO9001 and AS9100 quality standards and I'm very aware of the points you raise, but a start up is just that....a company that's starting up. Audeze is beyond this stage as they've been producing high end headphones in reasonably good volumes for a few years already and as a result, I would not qualify them that way anymore. Did they have problems in the past? Sure...but so has Stax with the SR009 and blown driver issue when they were first released, Grado has the Grattle issue, etc...

We simply disagree on this subject what a start-up is and is not and where Audeze on the commercialization continuum. There are many definitions of what are startup is that differ. I consider a small company, independently owned or VC funded, undercapitalized for long-term independent sustainabilty, usually possessing innovative disruptive technology as a"start-up". A company can be 5 years old and still be considered a start-up (even longer in some cases). . We all bring differing experiences that shape our views I suppose. No matter, I wish them success in their endevours. They make some great headphones.
post #117 of 2875
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I have a pair of LCD3s currently paired with a Rudistor RPX 303 Headphone Amp.(Source is the Meridian 818 Reference Sooloos system)

 

Buy anything, and I means anything else.  If it has be to balanced, the Woo WA22 is good, the Schiit Mjolnir is great, the GS-X is also great though unobtanium.  The Eddie Current Super7 is also supposed to be good though I haven't heard it.  If you can find a used balanced AMB Beta22 that's another easy to live with choice.

post #118 of 2875
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We simply disagree on this subject what a start-up is and is not and where Audeze on the commercialization continuum. There are many definitions of what are startup is that differ. I consider a small company, independently owned or VC funded, undercapitalized for long-term independent sustainabilty, usually possessing innovative disruptive technology as a"start-up". A company can be 5 years old and still be considered a start-up (even longer in some cases). . We all bring differing experiences that shape our views I suppose. No matter, I wish them success in their endevours. They make some great headphones.

So most companies within our little audio hobby are in fact start ups. rolleyes.gif

post #119 of 2875
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So most companies within our little audio hobby are in fact start ups. rolleyes.gif

Indeed
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No offence and with all due respect, if LCD2's comfort is 8.5 and LCD3's is 9.0, the comfort score of Stax SR009 and Ultarsone ED10 would be like 90.0 and maybe 95.5, respectively.

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