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Asus Xonar Essence ST RCA or Headphone port for headphones

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Hello!

 

I'm still getting acquainted with my new card! I was wondering though. Is it better to use the RCA plugs converter to 3.5mm for my headphone or use the headphone port? I've heard that the RCA puts out better SNR but does the RCA also amp the cans like the headphone port does? Using PC350's.

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The RCAs are not amped. That's why it gets a better SNR, because it's only the DAC. Using them to drive headphones, you'll get little current and a lot of output impedance. Besides, the SNR of the amp is beyond audibility anyway. Use that.

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Some balanced armature single driver IEMs actually benefit from high output impedance such as the ER4p & some Sure models. these can be driven from the RCA jacks. They have enough sensitivity to play sufficiently loud & will sound better with a better balance.

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Hello!

I'm still getting acquainted with my new card! I was wondering though. Is it better to use the RCA plugs converter to 3.5mm for my headphone or use the headphone port? I've heard that the RCA puts out better SNR but does the RCA also amp the cans like the headphone port does? Using PC350's.


Any signal you run though the RCAs can not use any headphone surround sound setting.

Now the DACs on the STX are good, so it's just fine to hook up an external headphone amplifier to the RCAs, for great 2.0 channel sound.

 

But I recommend just to plug the headphones into the headphone jacks for now.

 

 

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Some balanced armature single driver IEMs actually benefit from high output impedance such as the ER4p & some Sure models. these can be driven from the RCA jacks. They have enough sensitivity to play sufficiently loud & will sound better with a better balance.


You have evidence that supports this, I assume. Because my evidence suggests that these IEMs have very large differences in their impedance curve from frequency to frequency, and high output impedance should be avoided at all costs if you're looking for neutrality. Assuming the Essence STX RCA outs have 75 ohm output impedance (which is standard), it will make the Shure SE535's frequency response look like a roller coaster. 100 Hz will be regular volume and standard, there will be a relative 3 dB boost around 2 kHz (clearly audible), and a 6 dB drop at around 6 kHz. The SE535 already seems slightly recessed in the 5 kHz area, not going to do it any favors by decreasing it more.

 

Actually it would be even worse. It appears the Essence's line out impedance is 99 ohms.


Edited by Head Injury - 1/2/12 at 9:44am
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Some balanced armature single driver IEMs actually benefit from high output impedance such as the ER4p & some Sure models. these can be driven from the RCA jacks. They have enough sensitivity to play sufficiently loud & will sound better with a better balance.



No, they actually don't - the output impedance being higher can cause wild fluctuations in frequency response, specifically on balanced armature models, where the impedance curve varies a lot. There's plenty of objective science on this issue if you wish to google it. Head Injury has given a sufficient account above also.

 

Edit: http://www.benchmarkmedia.com/discuss/feedback/newsletter/2011/12/2/0-ohm-headphone-amplifier-sonic-advantages-low-impedance-headphone-amp


Edited by DRUB - 1/9/12 at 11:38am
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No, they actually don't - the output impedance being higher can cause wild fluctuations in frequency response, specifically on balanced armature models, where the impedance curve varies a lot. There's plenty of objective science on this issue if you wish to google it. Head Injury has given a sufficient account above also.

 

Edit: http://www.benchmarkmedia.com/discuss/feedback/newsletter/2011/12/2/0-ohm-headphone-amplifier-sonic-advantages-low-impedance-headphone-amp



You note I gave 2 examples that actually benefit from high output impedance & the manufacturer actually provides the resistor adapter cord with the 75ohm resistance to improve its performane to a higher level. The ER4P & the cord turns it into the higher performance ER4S. Shures best single driver model actually benefits from higher impedance in actual tests as well. Will not work with multi driver ones though due to the crossover. The ER4S is one of the most accurate IEMs available & is more accurate than most full size headphones.

 

If you have a muli driver IEM you should find out the output impedance of the amp they made to drive it as if yours is any different it will alter the crossover frequency either creating a hole in response if output impedance is too low or a peak if the output impedance is higher than designed for.

 

I understand more about this topic than you give me credit for. I don't fall for a manufacturers blanket statements to apply to all which they don't. Not saying it don't apply in the cases they test but it is certainly not applicable to all situations. I also question thier testing methodology as they appear to be readings directly from electrical input not measured acoustically so we don't know if it actually improves performance acoustically. A super high damping factor will sink any electrical distortion but that does not always equate to higher acoustical performance. It does not appear that they did any acoustcal tests to confirm better performance in actual sound.

 

Some speaker types work better with low output impedance (acoustic suspension) & some at higher output impedance (some horns & some ported designs though not all).

 


Edited by germanium - 1/10/12 at 10:22pm
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