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Originally Posted by studentism View Post

Thanks for the reply. Audirvana was able to lock 96/24, so I'm not sure what's going on with Audio-Midi Setup. I'll give it a shot on another Mac I have at home.

Just an update: works perfectly fine on my Mac Pro at home. Guess it's time for a clean install at work.
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About to get my E17 tomorrow. Been a long time IEM guy, but I recently got my first full sized headphones in the Sennheiser HD 558 and, man, I wish I'd done so a lot sooner. I find these so much better than even my beloved TF10. The wider soundstage of an open headphone is just something else. It's so addictive. However, it's clearly not being used to its full potential running straight from my laptop/phone. The bass is really lacking in comparison to the TF10. I tried hooking it up to my home receiver and it brings out the bass in a big way. I'm hoping the E17 can do the same.

 

I haven't had these headphones for 3 weeks, and I'm already thinking of upgrading to see what headphones can really do. I'm looking at the HiFiMan HE-400 because I'm very curious to see what a planar magnetic headphone sounds like. From what I've gathered, the E17 drives it pretty decently but not fully. That's okay with me though.

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Originally Posted by GTRagnarok View Post

About to get my E17 tomorrow. Been a long time IEM guy, but I recently got my first full sized headphones in the Sennheiser HD 558 and, man, I wish I'd done so a lot sooner. I find these so much better than even my beloved TF10. The wider soundstage of an open headphone is just something else. It's so addictive. However, it's clearly not being used to its full potential running straight from my laptop/phone. The bass is really lacking in comparison to the TF10. I tried hooking it up to my home receiver and it brings out the bass in a big way. I'm hoping the E17 can do the same.

 

I haven't had these headphones for 3 weeks, and I'm already thinking of upgrading to see what headphones can really do. I'm looking at the HiFiMan HE-400 because I'm very curious to see what a planar magnetic headphone sounds like. From what I've gathered, the E17 drives it pretty decently but not fully. That's okay with me though.

 

I like my E17 but I'm considering getting an E09K for it to really drive the big 'phones!

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Originally Posted by GTRagnarok View Post

About to get my E17 tomorrow. Been a long time IEM guy, but I recently got my first full sized headphones in the Sennheiser HD 558 and, man, I wish I'd done so a lot sooner. I find these so much better than even my beloved TF10. The wider soundstage of an open headphone is just something else. It's so addictive. However, it's clearly not being used to its full potential running straight from my laptop/phone. The bass is really lacking in comparison to the TF10. I tried hooking it up to my home receiver and it brings out the bass in a big way. I'm hoping the E17 can do the same.

 

I find the E17 very good to put "in line" when a recording is light on the bass - Quite often it's set at +4 Bass and that is just about what I need. Great little piece of gear.

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I just ordered the E17 and an AKG Q701. Hopefully the E17 is enough on its own(I've read that is it), if not then i'll get the E09k as well.

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I just ordered the E17 and an AKG Q701. Hopefully the E17 is enough on its own(I've read that is it), if not then i'll get the E09k as well.

 

You can use them together, I've done it myself many times.

It doesn't sound too bad.

But the Q701 do respond very well to a better amp.

 

Someday I want to get the E09K.

Anyone out there tried the E17 + E09K + Q701?

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The amount of glitches trying to use the E17 over USB is unbelievable. Some are machine-specific, such as when connected to the USB2 port on my laptop it sends the windows kernel into a mad spinlock necessitating a power cycle (USB3 port works fine).

 

Some however seem to be the case regardless of what machine I use it with - at random my video player becomes unable to play audio without displaying a directx error unless my web browser is restarted, random crackles when watching Flash videos, along with major issues with the MAIKO WASAPI Winamp plugin (or generally anything that uses WASAPI), from jitter to ear-splittingly loud crackling.

 

I find it hard to believe that a device that is amazingly good connected over S/PDIF to a Xonar DX can be so bad over USB. I guess there is more to Async USB than meets the eye, at least for Windows - the amount of things that synchronous usb screws up is crazy.

 

 

(This is not a faulty device, lots of similar reports with wasapi issues etc throughout this thread)

 

 

 

[b]Edit:[/b] Wow, otachan's winamp ASIO plugin combined with the proper ASIO driver for the E17 is an unbelievable combination. Not sure how or why but I've still got windows volume control and non-exclusivity too, along with damn near toslink quality.


Edited by Darkimmortal - 10/30/12 at 10:44pm
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Originally Posted by ayres View Post

thanks guys, yeah, the e17's amp would probably clip why trying to feed it the v-dac's analogue signal.

 

i'm not sure about whether the v-dac's signal is fixed or variable.  sometimes, specs can be hard to come by, and i'm not the best at inferring such information given the often limited information by manufacturers.  

 

as to whether or not i want a portable dac/amp as opposed to just an amp, i like the budget dac/amp combo.  i've used a headroom total bithead for years (clips also with the v-dac input).  i'm at the point where i'm interested to try something new.  i'll keep the v-dac for my integrated/speaker setup.  though, portable dac/amp aside, i'm keen to land a desktop amp to connect to my v-dac.

 

so it wasn't really necessary that the e17 be able to handle the v-dac's voltage.  but the added compatibility would provide some fun experimenting.

 

hi all, so a little update...

 

i purchased an e17... i've really enjoyed it!  acting as a dac/amp. connected to my macbook pro and powering my grado 225i, i'm really loving the music!  i haven't purchased any new gear in a while, and it is a reminder of the fun of revisiting one's music library.

 

concerning my previous posts, i also have been bypassing the dac section, connecting my mf's v-dac ii rca output to the e17's aux in, and so far i have not been detecting any noticeable distortion.  at least in terms of what i was experiencing when connecting the v-dac to a headroom total bithead's amp section, i've heard nothing of the sort.

 

might distortion start creeping in as the e17's battery drains?  as i recall, the bithead didn't clip with fresh batteries installed, but after, maybe, 2-3 hours, the clipping indicator stayed lit the entire time, and the sound was a mess.

 

(btw, in my semi-objective, unquantified whatever, whatever, the e17's dac has nothing on the v-dac... but hey, i still love the little thing!)

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Originally Posted by IKE60 View Post

I think it's been covered much earlier in this thread or perhaps in another thread, but I though I'd post it anyhow.

 

Below is the kludge I've worked up to get digital audio out of my iPad and into my E17.  Luckily, I'm not in the habit of trying to lug this around with me, but it's nice to know I can if I want to.

 

Kludge Numbered.jpg

 

1. iPad 1 WiFi 64GB (from Apple)

2. iPad Camera Connection Kit (from Apple)

3. GearHead UH2100 4-port USB 2.0 Hub (from Fry's Electronics) [Any hub should work]

4. Targus APB25US Battery Backup (also from Fry's) [Cheapest one I could find]

5. FiiO E17 DAC/Amp (from B&H Photo)

6. Hosa MHE-100.5 1/8" right angle to 1/4" adapter (from Best Buy) [Optional, reduces stress on E17 output jack]

7. Sennheiser HD598 (from Amazon) [Substitute your own cans]

8. 2x USB A to 1x Mini B Cable (from my own supplies, like this one on Newegg)

 

How To

1) Turn USB charging off on E17

2) Connect items 2 through 8

    (Ensure the power USB connector is in the battery backup and the data USB connector is in the hub)

3) Turn on E17

4) Push button on Targus battery backup

5) Connect items 1 and 2 (Battery has to be feeding E17 before connecting the iPad)

 

What's Happening

The battery backup supplies the E17 with the 5 V, 150 mA it uses (even with USB charging off).

I really thought this would work without the hub, but alas, it does not.  I don't know exactly what the hub is doing in this setup (e.g. ensuring the battery doesn't try to charge the iPad or some other sort of electrical/signal isolation) - regardless, it's required.

This specific battery backup is rated at 3.7 V, 2000 mAh, so by my calculations, it will keep the E17 going to 9+ hours in this setup (make sure to turn USB charging off).

 

-IKE

thank you for this post

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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

A few users have used the E17 (as a DAC) with the LittleDot,but they are no longer here. 

 

 

You have to buy a few things first..not expensive so don't worry.

 

First you need a FiiO L7

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And then you plug it in like so. The L7 works with the E7 and E17.

 

You plug the L7 into your dock port of the E17 and then you also need a 3.5mm plug like in the picuture. You need a male plug to plug into the L7 and the other end of that wire will need to be whatever the input you want to use is. If your quad amp accepts and you want to use 3.5mm..then do the same. If it accepts RCA then then a male 3.5mm to male RCA plug cable

 

Now after this is done play some music and go to the E17, are you able to control the volume(and actually hear it get louder or quieter) or use the EQ option of the E17? If so then you need to set the LO switch to the right position. When this happens your E17 is essentially in variable out meaning your pre amp in the E17 is still engaged, some still like to use EQ of E17 or change volume or have or use the pre amp of a DAC or amp combo as it's just what they want but for you, it seems you want fixed line out which means the e17 will be in use just as a DAC. Well like I said above, find the LO bypass switch on the side of your E17...see it? There will be an up or down position. However way you are looking at it. Flip it to the opposite side. It will then be in fixed line out(unless you mistaked the side it was suppose to switch to, try it a few times if not, as the switch isn't perfectly up or down and may confuse you as it's kinda in the middle for some people) This section of the instructions are for only if you are able to control the EQ and volume.

 

 

I say L7 because in all honesty and cases you would want to bypass the E17's own op amps(there's two) and use just the Little Dot as an amp without excessive coloration from the DAC itself.

 

 

 

YES  to the second part, in your case, there is two options, fixed line out which I prefer means you can't use any volume or EQ controls on the E17, however with variable out, the pre amp is still engaged allowing you volume and EQ controls! :)

 

Yep, for such a desktop setup I would prefer a standalone DAC with the standalone amp but as you said, if you already have it. Why not.

 

The L7 is about $10 and ships on Amazon, buy from Micca or another FiiO authorized dealer.

 

Conclusion:

  1. You need the L7 for best performance.
  2. Yes, you can still use the EQ and Volume controls with your Little dot and L7 if you set the LO bypass switch to the said location above
  3. You can also choose not to use the EQ and volume controls and set it to fixed line out which I prefer meaning none of the E17's op amps are in the signal path.
  4. You need another cable to connect from the L7's female 3.5mm output to whatever input the Little Dot uses

 

And in case you dont know:

 

The USB that you see in the picture IS FOR CHARGIN or USB data purposes only. Ok what happens is that when you plug the dock into the E17 or E7...the USB in gets blocked.....that means you can't charge the device and USB input wouldn't be allowed.....as the port is blocked so FiiO added one to the dock to allow you to charge the device or use it as input. With the E17, you can still set input to optical!!!! :) USB is the main input most people use so blocking it with a DAC out dock.....would be quite disasterous to the device and especially the E7. And you can't charge it if that happens, so comes the USB in on the L7.  It is easy to get confused! Don't worry.

 

And I just told you..the FiiO L7 or the E9 or E09K (which are desktop amps that you don't need) are the only devices that you can use to send a fixed line out signal(JUST USE THE DAC) but you don't need the amps so you can only use the L7 like I said..Just switch it to OPT in for input.

thank you for this post.

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The amount of glitches trying to use the E17 over USB is unbelievable. Some are machine-specific, such as when connected to the USB2 port on my laptop it sends the windows kernel into a mad spinlock necessitating a power cycle (USB3 port works fine).

 

Some however seem to be the case regardless of what machine I use it with - at random my video player becomes unable to play audio without displaying a directx error unless my web browser is restarted, random crackles when watching Flash videos, along with major issues with the MAIKO WASAPI Winamp plugin (or generally anything that uses WASAPI), from jitter to ear-splittingly loud crackling.

 

I find it hard to believe that a device that is amazingly good connected over S/PDIF to a Xonar DX can be so bad over USB. I guess there is more to Async USB than meets the eye, at least for Windows - the amount of things that synchronous usb screws up is crazy.

 

 

(This is not a faulty device, lots of similar reports with wasapi issues etc throughout this thread)

You must at least at some point must have wondered why the majority of the people don't all have the same problems right? Like any product, there are some errors or happenings that defy or are completely different from what others use.

 

It may be a computer southbridge driver issue, specific hardware and drivers on the computer interferring, E17's own USB Class 1 self contained driver error, E17 overall defective unit, software problems on your computer(program or OS due to some update or happening).

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Originally Posted by Darkimmortal View Post

The amount of glitches trying to use the E17 over USB is unbelievable. Some are machine-specific, such as when connected to the USB2 port on my laptop it sends the windows kernel into a mad spinlock necessitating a power cycle (USB3 port works fine).

Some however seem to be the case regardless of what machine I use it with - at random my video player becomes unable to play audio without displaying a directx error unless my web browser is restarted, random crackles when watching Flash videos, along with major issues with the MAIKO WASAPI Winamp plugin (or generally anything that uses WASAPI), from jitter to ear-splittingly loud crackling.

I find it hard to believe that a device that is amazingly good connected over S/PDIF to a Xonar DX can be so bad over USB. I guess there is more to Async USB than meets the eye, at least for Windows - the amount of things that synchronous usb screws up is crazy.


(This is not a faulty device, lots of similar reports with wasapi issues etc throughout this thread)



Edit: Wow, otachan's winamp ASIO plugin combined with the proper ASIO driver for the E17 is an unbelievable combination. Not sure how or why but I've still got windows volume control and non-exclusivity too, along with damn near toslink quality.
Have you tried a powered USB hub with your E17? Made a huge difference on my aging (early 2008) MacBook Pro.
post #4693 of 6536
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

You can use them together, I've done it myself many times.
It doesn't sound too bad.
But the Q701 do respond very well to a better amp.

Someday I want to get the E09K.
Anyone out there tried the E17 + E09K + Q701?
I'm using this combo with a MacBook Pro (early 2008) and Audivarna Plus. The E09K really wakes up the Q701's, esp. the bass. But I don't have a lot of experience with alternate amplifiers...
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Originally Posted by Brault View Post


I'm using this combo with a MacBook Pro (early 2008) and Audivarna Plus. The E09K really wakes up the Q701's, esp. the bass. But I don't have a lot of experience with alternate amplifiers...

 

Thanks!

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I am thinking seriously about getting the E17.  I swapped out the motherboard in my PC (Windows XP) and as a result I no longer have a headphone jack, so this product would solve that problem. Moreover, I have a Samsung Galaxy Nexus with a pogo pin desktop dock.  Apparently, this dock will output optical digital audio:

 

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1851321

 

If so, I will also be able to bypass the phone's DAC and take advantage of the E17's DAC.

 

What I am wondering...  I have a set of amplified computer speakers hooked up to the computer's sound card.  When I connect the E17 via USB, does this mean that that sound card will no longer output audio to these speakers?  Or is there a way to connect these speakers to the E17 permanently and still be able to plug in my headphones occasionally, as well as connect it to the phone's dock? 

 

Thanks

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