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post #4501 of 6504
If you can DIY it may be cheaper but thats if you know how, already have soldering equipment and a well priced store for diy electronics and op amps. Otherwise buying one is best

But seriously only if you need it.
post #4502 of 6504
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Originally Posted by Misios View Post


I find myself agreeing with the consensus, which states that the E17 doesn't have enough juice to drive the Q701 properly. I find the combo alright, but I agree with people saying the Q701/E17 combo is a bit "flat" and "lifeless" - so I ordered a NFB-15.1 to complement my Q701.

 

I'll write my subjective experience of the difference between the two amp/dac's when I get to try the NFB-15.1.

 

(I actually liked the HD 598+E17 better than Q701+E17)

 

Hmmmm, for me, I find that the E17 is powerful enough and sounds good enough for the Q701.

 

OTOH, for the money, I don't expect a miracle out of a DAC/Amp which costs that much and is that small.       

I'm using the E17 with a Wadia iPod dock via Co-ax or my laptop via USB.

post #4503 of 6504
The E17 is definitely not enough for the Q701. Yes, it will be loud enough (even off the Fiio E5), but the Q701 is one of those headphones that rewards you with PROPER amping.

Hell, you can make the 600ohm Beyers go loud enough off an E5.

I guess ignorance is bliss.
post #4504 of 6504
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The E17 is definitely not enough for the Q701. Yes, it will be loud enough (even off the Fiio E5), but the Q701 is one of those headphones that rewards you with PROPER amping.
Hell, you can make the 600ohm Beyers go loud enough off an E5.
I guess ignorance is bliss.

I can drive the Q701 with an E5. But does it sound "good" ? You only learn what sounds good with more units and differences. 

 

My current setup

 

PC S.PDIF out--> Audio gd NFB 12.1 Dual Wolfson WM8741 Flagship DAC output--> Denco wired RCA cables-->Custom Desktop Objective 2 with 2.4X and 6X Gain and Burr Brown op amps and NJM4556--> Q701

post #4505 of 6504
That's what I mean. They buy $250-$300 headphones, thinking some portable amp is doing them any justice. Driving the Q701 out of a portable amp like the E17 is an injustice to them. I'd spend the little for an E9/E09K to get quite a bit more performance out of them as opposed to the E17 alone.

The Q701 is the only headphone I've owned (aside from the HE-4) that really changed in sound depending on what I plugged them into. Most of the time going from the E9 to the NFB5 was a very slight difference. Not so with the Q701. They sound REALLY good off the E9, but noticeably better off the NFB5.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/18/12 at 5:16pm
post #4506 of 6504
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

That's what I mean. They buy $250-$300 headphones, thinking some portable amp is doing them any justice. Driving the Q701 out of a portable amp like the E17 is an injustice to them. I'd spend the little for an E9/E09K to get quite a bit more performance out of them as opposed to the E17.
The Q701 is the only headphone I've owned (aside from the HE-4) that really changed in sound depending on what I plugged them into. Most of the time going from the E9 to the NFB5 was a very slight difference. Not so with the Q701. They sound REALLY good off the E9, but noticeably better off the NFB5.

The E17 sounds fine and has the power. Having enough power with the warm E17 sound makes it sound "good". It does sound good, but the thing is, compared to what?

 

I can't afford NFB5 so I just went with an Custom Desktop Version O2. My NFB12.1 is there for other headphones, other headphones sound better with the NFB12.1's amp as opposed to the O2, for "pop" and other mainstream music.

 

If you have Q701's or most $250 full size cans, the E17 is ok, but not choice, and not recommended, as full open means home use for me and thus a home unit is needed

post #4507 of 6504
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The E17 is definitely not enough for the Q701. Yes, it will be loud enough (even off the Fiio E5), but the Q701 is one of those headphones that rewards you with PROPER amping.
Hell, you can make the 600ohm Beyers go loud enough off an E5.
I guess ignorance is bliss.

 

Don't worry, that doesn't sound the least bit arrogant or rude.

I guess you can't read.

 

Yes, I have heard Q701s with much better, much more expensive equipment. Yes, they do sound better with better equiment.   What a surprise! Thanks for illuminatiing us.

post #4508 of 6504

He is just putting a more objective comment in. Yes we can make about Q701's working well and sounding good with it, but we must also remember that many will read these posts when deceding and thus wil imply that the E17 = Awesome with Q701 and $300 Open Full Sizers

post #4509 of 6504

He could have worded it far better.

Arrogance is bliss.

post #4510 of 6504
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

He could have worded it far better.

Arrogance is bliss.

We are on Head-Fi online, it's hard to say that :/

 

Arrogance haha. I believe that Ignornace is bliss. I used to be able to "enjoy" many forms of my songs in 128kbps many a years ago. ಥ_ಥ

post #4511 of 6504
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We are on Head-Fi online, it's hard to say that :/

 

Arrogance haha. I believe that Ignornace is bliss. I used to be able to "enjoy" many forms of my songs in 128kbps many a years ago. ಥ_ಥ

Sigh.

To think there was once a time when I truly enjoyed the sound of my parent's terrible sounding console stereo.

post #4512 of 6504
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Sigh.

To think there was once a time when I truly enjoyed the sound of my parent's terrible sounding console stereo.

To think when I laughed at all the Apple Earbuds wearing people the day I got Skullcandy Smoking Buds (MSRP $19.99) and thought myself superior and how good they sounded.... *shudder*

post #4513 of 6504
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

To think when I laughed at all the Apple Earbuds wearing people the day I got Skullcandy Smoking Buds (MSRP $19.99) and thought myself superior and how good they sounded.... *shudder*

There was a time when I thought my Shure SE210s were awesome, now I just think they are very, very overpriced!

post #4514 of 6504
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

He could have worded it far better.
Arrogance is bliss.

Relax there guy, I wasn't aiming that comment to you directly. Sorry for your butthurt. People are so defensive.

Ignornace IS bliss in the audio world. However, anyone who says the E17 is enough for the Q701, is potentially misleading a lot of people into spending $400+ on a combo that is achieving a fraction of it's potential. That's a lot of wasted dollars when they could have spent the money off the E17 into equipment that would truly suit the Q701.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/18/12 at 6:23pm
post #4515 of 6504
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


Relax there guy, I wasn't aiming that comment to you directly. Sorry for your butthurt. People are so defensive.
Ignornace IS bliss in the audio world. However, anyone who says the E17 is enough for the Q701, is potentially misleading a lot of people into spending $400+ on a combo that is achieving a fraction of it's potential. That's a lot of wasted dollars when they could have spent the money off the E17 into equipment that would truly suit the Q701.

Fair enough.

I normally use a Matrix M Stage and a good CD player with my Qs. Sure, the Qs deserve better than a Matrix M.  

 

I certainly wouldn't say that the E17 is "the only DAC/amp you will ever need for a Q".

I'm just surprised at how nice the combo sounds, and it is nice and small,  i.e easy to grab a Wadia 170i, an iPod and an E17 and go out on my dek with a pair of Qs. Nice and almost simple.

 

But after hearing a Lyr, my heart is filled with lust.tongue_smile.gif

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