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post #4171 of 6548
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Originally Posted by meatball View Post

I tried reset button with a pin. It works again. Thank you. rolleyes.gif  Hope it will be ok in the future. 

You're welcome.

 

The E17 has been known to have periodic and really weird freezes sometimes. My instructions above should fix most weird freezes that happen.

post #4172 of 6548
If I were to get the e17, is there a way that I could plug it into my xbox 360?
post #4173 of 6548
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Originally Posted by odehib View Post

If I were to get the e17, is there a way that I could plug it into my xbox 360?

 

Sure, you can connect to the optical output in your xbox 360

post #4174 of 6548
Ok, thanks for the info. I'll probably be going for it, along with a set of hd598s.
post #4175 of 6548

Hi. recently I received my E17 and got an issue described here but on E17. :-(((( + sometimes I get white ( or other :-) ) noise ( I mean I can't hear the music, I hear only static noise ) after toggling pause button.

Is the device faulty? Can this be a motherboard/ USB problem?

EDIT:


More facts about this issue from me:

1. When I don't use pause button on my software player ( foobar/ wmp ) and use stop button, everything is ok;
2. This issue doesn't appear everytime;
3. If problem appears and I turn off -> on E17 WITHOUT removing the USB, the problem is still there;
4. If problem appears and I remove -> place back the USB WITHOUT turning off the device, sound is OK;
5. If problem appears and I press stop -> play on my software player, sound is OK.


Edited by ghardashyan - 7/30/12 at 3:54am
post #4176 of 6548
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Originally Posted by ghardashyan View Post

Hi. recently I received my E17 and got an issue described here but on E17. :-((((
Is the device faulty? Can this be a motherboard/ USB problem?

The clicking sound sadly does appear on the E17. From my experience, it usually but not always happens when you are at a gain too high or much more than what your headphone needs. Can you go down a gain setting? And still be loud enough?

The E10 has had a few updates, one of them was fixing a delay it would have, others if I remember correctly was fixing the 3.5mm jack to higher quality so the problem described in your link may not be the same or be constant throughout the FiiO line. I have not had the E10 but I had the E17 and I currently still have a E5 and have not heard of clicking problems with other devices.
post #4177 of 6548
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post


The clicking sound sadly does appear on the E17. From my experience, it usually but not always happens when you are at a gain too high or much more than what your headphone needs. Can you go down a gain setting? And still be loud enough?
The E10 has had a few updates, one of them was fixing a delay it would have, others if I remember correctly was fixing the 3.5mm jack to higher quality so the problem described in your link may not be the same or be constant throughout the FiiO line. I have not had the E10 but I had the E17 and I currently still have a E5 and have not heard of clicking problems with other devices.

 

Sometimes I get the clicking sound, sometimes - sound is OK... Sometimes all I get is noise ( white/ pink I don'k know. ). The gain is @ factory deafult - 6DB.

Can you please read the EDIT part of my post.
Thanks.

post #4178 of 6548

I have been doing quite a bit of searching, but thought I would ask directly. Maybe someone can quickly give me advice!

 
I have a cheap chinese ZTE android phone that I am using with both ATH M50 and Aurvana 3 IEMs. I have been thinking of getting a DAC/amp like the e17 both to use as an amp for the android phone (through the jack - seems usb solution for DAC usage still not possible) for volume and quality ( also as DAC for my laptop).
Do you think it is worth it or a good idea for android? Will quality be improved? any way of getting past double amping on android?
 
Thanks a million!!!
 
Cheers
post #4179 of 6548
@maka
You will be amplyfing the sound comming out of your phone. Most android phonesdont have good audio out but i do not know about what you have. It may be better but usually... A amp with a android phone is mainly used if the volume isnt loud enough. Its up to you if its worth the E17s added features and amp tonality.

@ghard
It seems to be a USB or software problem then.

Is your windows settings correct? Is your foobar settings correct?

Can you use a new different USB cable, plug it into a different usb port on computer, set windows settings to 16/44.1 and try with itunes?


Or use with a different computer with itunes with settings above?

Try the reset switch?

Is your cables, unit or any connecting wire on top of other wires, i have had emi and noise come in when my units cables were near or on top of electrical wires.
post #4180 of 6548
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

It seems to be a USB or software problem then.
Is your windows settings correct? Is your foobar settings correct?
Can you use a new different USB cable, plug it into a different usb port on computer, set windows settings to 16/44.1 and try with itunes?
Or use with a different computer with itunes with settings above?
Try the reset switch?
Is your cables, unit or any connecting wire on top of other wires, i have had emi and noise come in when my units cables were near or on top of electrical wires.

Thanks for response.

 

Windows/ Foobar settings are correct. Tried all ports ( :-D ) on my work desktop, with multiple mini USB -> USB cables, tried also 16/44.1 - doesn't help.

I doesn't use the device much at home ( maybe overall 30 minutes since received E17 ), so I have not reproduced his issue on my home desktop yet, only at work.

 

Yup, there are lot of ( ~7 ) wires around the usb cable of E17. Can this cause the problem? Because it's only USB cable, I mean I've never heard about interference on USB cables...

I'll try the reset switch...

post #4181 of 6548
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Originally Posted by ghardashyan View Post

Thanks for response.

 

Windows/ Foobar settings are correct. Tried all ports ( :-D ) on my work desktop, with multiple mini USB -> USB cables, tried also 16/44.1 - doesn't help.

I doesn't use the device much at home ( maybe overall 30 minutes since received E17 ), so I have not reproduced his issue on my home desktop yet, only at work.

 

Yup, there are lot of ( ~7 ) wires around the usb cable of E17. Can this cause the problem? Because it's only USB cable, I mean I've never heard about interference on USB cables...

I'll try the reset switch...

Are all "enhancements" disabled? In foobar, are your sample rate settings past 96000? USB on E17 uses Class 1 drivers and only supports up to 96KHz with the E17 so trying to set to 192000 in foobar may cause problems.

 

Please try at home. 

 

Sometimes and somebody or two in this thread have had faulty USB cables that came with the E17

 

Yes, I and others have had electrical interference over USB caused by adjacent devices.

 

But please first try this at home as well.

 

Does this problem happen on AUX in?

post #4182 of 6548
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Originally Posted by ghardashyan View Post

Hi. recently I received my E17 and got an issue described here but on E17. :-(((( + sometimes I get white ( or other :-) ) noise ( I mean I can't hear the music, I hear only static noise ) after toggling pause button.

Is the device faulty? Can this be a motherboard/ USB problem?

EDIT:


More facts about this issue from me:

1. When I don't use pause button on my software player ( foobar/ wmp ) and use stop button, everything is ok;
2. This issue doesn't appear everytime;
3. If problem appears and I turn off -> on E17 WITHOUT removing the USB, the problem is still there;
4. If problem appears and I remove -> place back the USB WITHOUT turning off the device, sound is OK;
5. If problem appears and I press stop -> play on my software player, sound is OK.



I received my E17 less than a week ago and have been having the SAME problem, as you describe. To me, it sounds like a distortion/crackling during high midrange to high playback i.e. electric guitar, piano etc. This is my 1rst headphone amp/DAC so, am a definite newbie at use and troubleshooting, but believe my Foobar player settings and computer device settings are correct, based on the great advice for set-up here. I too am using Foobar with the WASAPI plug-in. Here have been my observations...

1. Gain setting on E17 makes no difference

2. Problem mostly appears when selecting Output device... WASAPI : SPDIF Interface (FiiO USB DAC-E17) using the Foobar preferences
3. Using Foobar preference Output device... SPDIF Interface (FiiO USB DAC-E17) the problem does not seem to occur

4. Problem very seldom appears using other players, including the iTunes player, but has occurred occasionally

5. The only way I'm able to stop the crackling/distortion, is to unplug and re-plug the USB cable from/in the E17

6. Problem does not occur using aux to/from my iTouch, using the L9 adapter

7. When using aux and the Output device SPDIF Interface (FiiO USB DAC-E17) the E17 display indicates 96K 24bit

8. When using the Output device WASAPI : SPDIF Interface (FiiO USB DAC-E17) the display switches to 48k 16bit when playing songs from my iTunes library

9. Problem appears to occur when E17 is cycling between the 96K 24bit and 48k 16 bit, which apparently even happens, when switching songs, stopping and pausing while playing songs and   using Foobar.

10. I have not switched USB cables, but ghardashyan indicated above that doing so does not solve the problem

 

If the above is correct, would this indicate a defect in the E17? Almost always happens if using Foobar and the WASAPI Fiio setting, but has occurred in other situations, such as when switching from iTouch L9 to USB where E17 switches from 48k 16 bit to 96K 24bit. Problem is remedied for a listening session if the USB cord unplugged/plugged, but if settings cycling occurs, crackling/distortion returns. Any suggestions/input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks


Edited by Digeeedad - 7/30/12 at 11:07am
post #4183 of 6548
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Originally Posted by Digeeedad View Post



I received my E17 less than a week ago and have been having the SAME problem, as you describe. To me, it sounds like a distortion/crackling during high midrange to high playback i.e. electric guitar, piano etc. This is my 1rst headphone amp/DAC so, am a definite newbie at use and troubleshooting, but believe my Foobar player settings and computer device settings are correct, based on the great advice for set-up here. I too am using Foobar with the WASAPI plug-in. Here have been my observations...

1. Gain setting on E17 makes no difference

2. Problem mostly appears when selecting Output device... WASAPI : SPDIF Interface (FiiO USB DAC-E17) using the Foobar preferences
3. Using Foobar preference Output device... SPDIF Interface (FiiO USB DAC-E17) the problem does not seem to occur

4. Problem very seldom appears using other players, including the iTunes player, but has occurred occasionally

5. The only way I'm able to stop the crackling/distortion, is to unplug and re-plug the USB cable from/in the E17

6. Problem does not occur using aux to/from my iTouch, using the L9 adapter

7. When using aux and the Output device SPDIF Interface (FiiO USB DAC-E17) the E17 display indicates 96K 24bit

8. When using the Output device WASAPI : SPDIF Interface (FiiO USB DAC-E17) the display switches to 48k 16bit when playing songs from my iTunes library

9. Problem appears to occur when E17 is cycling between the 96K 24bit and 48k 16 bit, which apparently even happens, when switching songs, stopping and pausing while playing songs and   using Foobar.

10. I have not switched USB cables, but ghardashyan indicated above that doing so does not solve the problem

 

If the above is correct, would this indicate a defect in the E17? Almost always happens if using Foobar and the WASAPI Fiio setting, but has occurred in other situations, such as when switching from iTouch L9 to USB where E17 switches from 48k 16 bit to 96K 24bit. Problem is remedied for a listening session if the USB cord unplugged/plugged, but if settings cycling occurs, crackling/distortion returns. Any suggestions/input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks

It seems USB seems to be having issues..

 

Can you try just USB with iTunes with Windows Sound Settings set to 16 bit 44100 KHz? Does it happen then?

 

Instead of WASAPI, try ASIO, there is an E17 ASIO update driver here in case you need it:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/615404/downloading-and-installation-guide-for-fiio-e17-asio-driver-the-beta-version

post #4184 of 6548
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

It seems USB seems to be having issues..

 

Can you try just USB with iTunes with Windows Sound Settings set to 16 bit 44100 KHz? Does it happen then?

 

Instead of WASAPI, try ASIO, there is an E17 ASIO update driver here in case you need it:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/615404/downloading-and-installation-guide-for-fiio-e17-asio-driver-the-beta-version

 

Using the Windows Sound Setting of 16 bit 44100 khz..... yes, the same problem exists. Unplugging/plugging the USB cable fixes the problem until leaving iTunes then returning and begin playing again, which causes the crackling/distortion. Unplugging/plugging temporarily fixes the problem. Using the iTunes player itself does not involve the WASAPI plug-in right? Do you think this indicates an E17 defect? I REALLY like this thing, especially the portability, but am still with-in my return window... I bought if from B&H Photo and Video. Might be tempted to move to a desktop model like audioengine etc, but would HATE to do that!
 

BTW.... the iTunes player is definitely inferior in sound quality to Foobar, to my ears.

** In looking around at reviews etc... it seems that the FiiO E10 also has this same problem, as noted in the forums here and elsewhere. For example from July 3rd 2012 Amazon review... "After trying the Fiio E10 DAC for a couple of weeks, I tired of having to reset it every time I paused my music for even a short time, and restarting my music. This involved unplugging/re-plugging the USB cable on the back of the E10, each time.After trying the Fiio E10 DAC for a couple of weeks, I tired of having to reset it every time I paused my music for even a short time, and restarting my music. This involved unplugging/re-plugging the USB cable on the back of the E10, each time." Hated to read that! :(


Edited by Digeeedad - 7/30/12 at 12:38pm
post #4185 of 6548
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Originally Posted by Digeeedad View Post

 

Using the Windows Sound Setting of 16 bit 44100 khz..... yes, the same problem exists. Unplugging/plugging the USB cable fixes the problem until leaving iTunes then returning and begin playing again, which causes the crackling/distortion. Unplugging/plugging temporarily fixes the problem. Using the iTunes player itself does not involve the WASAPI plug-in right? Do you think this indicates an E17 defect? I REALLY like this thing, especially the portability, but am still with-in my return window... I bought if from B&H Photo and Video. Might be tempted to move to a desktop model like audioengine etc, but would HATE to do that!
 

BTW.... the iTunes player is definitely inferior in sound quality to Foobar, to my ears.

iTunes uses the default sound device you have selected in Windows Sound options.

 

You can exchange for another one or get a full desktop unit. Whatever pleases you. You can get another one and test it out and get back to us on if it was a defect or not. But testing it at home, with another USB cable and other USB ports should be done.

 

IT is probably you. No offense. With all enhancements in iTunes be it soundcheck or EQ off and no enhancements or add ons enabled in foobar, even with WASAPI in foobar or Default audio device in iTunes, it would be extremely hard to tell the difference when no other audio is playing. WASAPI is there so that in case other audio starts playing on your computer, it won't lessen the audio comming through and leave you with less than 16bits of dynamic range which is said to be the perfect amount by some. WASAPI basically gives audio a seperate full audio channel so that in case other audio plays, resources and the other audio's own settings won't interfer wth your own audio and also gives more or dedicated system resources to it..... Even with all this fancy talk, in a enviroment where you are using iTunes with default audio device with no other audio playing and compare it ot foobar with both using no enhancements...the difference would be extremely hard if not night impossible to tell apart.

 

I would say....you are imagining it and creating a placebo inside your head. It happens often, you are not the only one.

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