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M-Stage vs Xonar STX vs HiFiMan EF2A

Poll Results: What would be best pound for pound amp?

 
  • 40% (2)
    Xonar STX built in Amp
  • 20% (1)
    M-Stage
  • 40% (2)
    HiFiMan EF2A
5 Total Votes  
post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I am thinking about getting either AKG K701's or the HD650. I listen to more of old school hip/hop, Trance, Jcore, Instrumental, Classical, and Jazz. I was wondering what would work best for either of these headphones. I am leaning towards the Xonar STX because of the price. What would be a better fit?

Thanks in advance redface.gif
post #2 of 16

I would get the Essence STX, nice having everything inside the computer case.

Upgrade the op-amps.

post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

I would get the Essence STX, nice having everything inside the computer case.
Upgrade the op-amps.

What would you recommend for receivers? I would like one that could power the K701's and would be good for surround sound movies
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by Derelict View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

I would get the Essence STX, nice having everything inside the computer case.
Upgrade the op-amps.

What would you recommend for receivers? I would like one that could power the K701's and would be good for surround sound movies


"receivers"? are you talking about external headphone amplifiers? other sound cards? DACs?

 

If your talking about stereo receivers, the Yamaha RX-V700 (3 year warranty) is a good value, the Yamaha RX-V667 (2 year warranty) is a closed second.

 

 

post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post



"receivers"? are you talking about external headphone amplifiers? other sound cards? DACs?

If your talking about stereo receivers, the Yamaha RX-V700 (3 year warranty) is a good value, the Yamaha RX-V667 (2 year warranty) is a closed second.


Question since you own a couple of pair of Beyers and an STX. WOuld the DT880 600 Ohm work well with the STX + better OPAMP? If it will work well, what kind of OPAmp would you recommend?
post #6 of 16

Yes, the STX will drive the 600 ohm Beyers plenty fine.

 

I don't see the point of upgrading the opamps. The stock ones are perfectly neutral. Anything else isn't likely to be optimal for the circuit and will just create coloration. Some people like that.

post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 
Wouldn't there be bad dampaning with the STX being 600 ohms and the DT880 being 600 ohms?
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by Derelict View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post



"receivers"? are you talking about external headphone amplifiers? other sound cards? DACs?

If your talking about stereo receivers, the Yamaha RX-V700 (3 year warranty) is a good value, the Yamaha RX-V667 (2 year warranty) is a closed second.
 

Question since you own a couple of pair of Beyers and an STX. WOuld the DT880 600 Ohm work well with the STX + better OPAMP? If it will work well, what kind of OPAmp would you recommend?

Do not see any Head-Fi complaining much about 600-Ohm headphones used with the Essence STX, but feel free to search Head-fi yourself.

 

Three LME49860NAs are the safe upgrades, the stock buffer op-amp on the STX is the LM4652, which has been renamed the LME49720NA, the cherry picks (better voltage range) of the LME49720NA are labeled LME49860NA.

Lots of Essence STX (& ST) owners like the sound after replacing the two JRC2114 (I/V sockets) with the LME49720NA, I just decided to go for the LMR49860NAs (for all three slots)

A pair of LME49710 (single channel op-amps) are considered to have better sound then a then one (dual channel) LME49720NAs.

The two LME49710 need to be soldered to DIP-8 adapter for use in one slot.

 

There are all so LME49720HAs ("H") which are TO-99 (round metal op-amps) which have better sound, then the regular DIP-8 LME49720NA, but have to be soldered to a DIP-8 adapter before installing into the Essence.

I'm sure the metal housing of the "H" version cut electrical noise interference.

 

The best op-amp upgrade appears to be the AD797BR (or AD797BRZ), they are single channel, so to have to be soldered in pairs to a DIP-8 adapter.

But they are considered finiky op-amps, might have to do other mods to the Essence to work well.

 

Right now I have a OPA2107AP op-amp on order I want to try in the buffer socket.
 

 

 

post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by Derelict View Post
Wouldn't there be bad dampaning with the STX being 600 ohms and the DT880 being 600 ohms?

The Essence STX (& ST) and Fiio E9 all use the same headphone amplifier chip (made by TI).

I believe this TI amplifier chip is well like in the audio world.

I'm guessing it the best headphone amplifier chip you can find in the ($200) price ranges.
 

 

 

post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by Derelict View Post

Wouldn't there be bad dampaning with the STX being 600 ohms and the DT880 being 600 ohms?


The STX isn't 600 ohms. No sane headphone amp has 600 ohm output impedance. The STX has 10 ohm output impedance, high but typical.

post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
I don't know what would be more worth it, a dedicated headphone amp or the STX. People on Head-fi claim that a regular headphone amp is better than the STX, so I am truly torn.
post #12 of 16

First off, do not buy a 600-Ohm headphone, get something in the 250-Ohm (or less) range.

I've seem lots of post were people say the 600-Ohm version of a headphone is only slightly better then the 250-Ohm version.

If you were spending $500 or more for a nice tube or solid state headphone amplifier, the 600-Ohm version might be more worth it.

I would guess an external headphone amplifier in the same price range as the STX could sound better then the STX.

Something external with a digital (optical, coaxial, USB) input, a DAC and headphone amplifier.

It would not have to deal with the electrical noise in the computer case, unlike the STX.

post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by Derelict View Post

I found this as I posted above. Will this suffice?

http://www.amazon.com/Hi-Fi-Man-EF2A-Tube-Headphone/dp/B004357WL8/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1324887963&sr=1-2


Never use this, but looks good to me.

 

 

post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 
I also heard this combo is good.

http://www.amazon.com/FiiO-Desktop-Portable-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B005C5IN98/ref=sr_1_25?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1324888184&sr=1-25

I might just get this since it seems it has enough power to power the DT880's. Any thoughts?
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