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post #331 of 571
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From his impressions I am sure he will be keeping those crystal gems of his. I also have to agree with him on finding more than one preferred sound signature. I have 4 so far. My modded Denon 5000s actually remind me of the EX1000 but without such a harsh treble spike, the FX700 for is amazing timbre (realism), deep bass, and extended & detailed treble. And my favorite the IE80s for its sultry and silky smooth treble and deep bass. The silver cable brings more detail in the treble, making them just a tad more aggressive, bass is a little tighter, mid range is more forward. An amazing pairing with the Studio V I must say :). The TF10s are great in their own right and are very good at Dubstep and female vocals. They have a large sound stage for a BA and deep bass. They pretty much don't remind me of a BA at all. Really looking forward to how my Custom TF10s turn out...



 


I wish I have 2 pairs of ears to use both IEM's at the same time. LOL.

 

post #332 of 571

Thing is however, I rather not have 4 "mediocre" earphones, but instead 1 amazing one, that handles all.

In your case lee, a custom like jh 13 or something, dunno that much about them, I would prefer, rather than having 4 iems.

 

That's why i don;t really see the point in keeping more than 2 iems, if anything only 1 will do, as long as im happy with it.

post #333 of 571
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Thing is however, I rather not have 4 "mediocre" earphones, but instead 1 amazing one, that handles all.

In your case lee, a custom like jh 13 or something, dunno that much about them, I would prefer, rather than having 4 iems.

 

That's why i don;t really see the point in keeping more than 2 iems, if anything only 1 will do, as long as im happy with it.


But at times its nice to have different flavors for different genres. It also depends on my mood. Using one too much can get boring. But if my Custom turns out to be as good as I think it will, then most of my universal IEMs would be going for sale anyways. I don't consider any of my IEMs mediocre though. They all do something a bit differently in ways that I like them. You'll never find a headphones that does everything as well as specific ones that are designed for certain genres. But you can get headphones/IEMs that are good at multiple genres yet are really nothing special overall in sound. I'd say the IE80s and FX700s are both quite good on many genres while the Open-back denon 5000s love good recording with good mastering. Especially on 24/96 Flac they really shine. Otherwise they are just too revealing and show all the flaws in the artists recording which can get very irritating.

 

post #334 of 571
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USUALLY burn-in improves the sound.

Rarely, if anything have I hear something get worse with burn-in/time

 

Generally, you probably won't like the sound signature or the overall presentation of the earphones, not enough bass, too bright etc etc

When you get them out the box though: usually they mostly start out as muddy sounding or too harsh/bright/sibilant

 


But sometimes burn-in won't help. Like some, if not most balanced armatures don't burn-in. So break-in is also needed. 

post #335 of 571
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Not necessarily. I could never get accustomed to the Sibilance the EX1000s put out. I mean I gave those things several chances and wanted to hear them as other did. I must admit there were a few times when the song wasn't sibilant and I got a taste of what they were capable of. But to be limited to a certain few tracks for enjoyment is a joke.

 


 

It really depends, not getting used to something like that is like no being able to get used to cheap $5 earphones. But sometimes it isn't that noticeable so it's easier to get accustomed to it.

post #336 of 571
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But sometimes burn-in won't help. Like some, if not most balanced armatures don't burn-in. So break-in is also needed. 

 

oh yeah agreed on that!



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But at times its nice to have different flavors for different genres. It also depends on my mood. Using one too much can get boring. But if my Custom turns out to be as good as I think it will, then most of my universal IEMs would be going for sale anyways. I don't consider any of my IEMs mediocre though. They all do something a bit differently in ways that I like them. You'll never find a headphones that does everything as well as specific ones that are designed for certain genres. But you can get headphones/IEMs that are good at multiple genres yet are really nothing special overall in sound. I'd say the IE80s and FX700s are both quite good on many genres while the Open-back denon 5000s love good recording with good mastering. Especially on 24/96 Flac they really shine. Otherwise they are just too revealing and show all the flaws in the artists recording which can get very irritating.

 

 

Oh don't get me wrong, your earphones are what i would call high-end, but I'm just saying :)
 

 

 

post #337 of 571
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Received the Denon today. First impression is the cans are huge and the cable is long and big. The cans almost cover to my neck. LOL. Cans are nice looking and comfy.

 

Tried a few tracks (pop, hip-hop, rap) and the sound is excellent right out of the box. Bass is great yet not overdone. My son loves it and he said it's good for all genres (but I disagree with him on classical music because he never tried that genre). The long cable is a bonus for watching TV. Also iphone 4s has no problem to drive these big cans.

 

The build quality is very good. But I am afraid that the pins connecting the cans to the headband may be subject to fatigue failure in the future. Hope the engineers have taken this into design consideration so the phone will last long enough.

 

Thanks guys for the recommendation. I think it is very well worth the price paid.

 

Denon D2000.jpg

post #338 of 571

Man!
You take EXCELLENT looking photos :D!

 

Yes agreed:

-Cable is TOO long, then again has its pros/cons - I suggest putting a cable tidy thing 

-It drives easily

-Good for all music

-Build quality makes you ponder - especially those pins u mentioned

post #339 of 571


I'm not sure if you are understanding my post. There would be no way for me to get accustomed to sibilance. At least in how bad I had it with the EX1000. There is measurable treble spikes in the lower treble region and I clearly pick up on this, even with a very good seal.  I'm just sensitive to these spikes and there was no work around for it. Just imagine listening to headphones that are way overly bright and hurt your ears. This would be the EX1000 for me. To be honest I would find the ibuds much more listenable than the EX1000s. Although the EX1000s are clearly better than the buds, I wouldn't be in constant pain and fatigue like I would be from the EX1000. Just throwing it out there for you to know how severe the problem was for me. No amount of time would have solved that issue for me. The. again I can't expect you to understand as you may never have experienced such a phenomina before...

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It really depends, not getting used to something like that is like no being able to get used to cheap $5 earphones. But sometimes it isn't that noticeable so it's easier to get accustomed to it.


 

 

 


Edited by lee730 - 1/19/12 at 3:20am
post #340 of 571
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I'm not sure if you are understanding my post. There would be no way for me to get accustomed to sibilance. At least in how bad I had it with the EX1000. There is measurable treble spikes in the lower treble region and I clearly pick up on this, even with a very good seal.  I'm just sensitive to these spikes and there was no work around for it. Just imagine listening to headphones that are way overly bright and hurt your ears. This would be the EX1000 for me. To be honest I would find the ibuds much more listenable than the EX1000s. Although the EX1000s are clearly better than the buds, I wouldn't be in constant pain and fatigue like I would be from the EX1000. Just throwing it out there for you to know how severe the problem was for me. No amount of time would have solved that issue for me. The. again I can't expect you to understand as you may never have experienced such a phenomina before...


 

 

 


I understood. What I meant is that when a headphone/IEM sounds really horrid to you, (usually cheap ones), it can never change no matter how much you try to get accustomed to it. And apple earbuds are actually worth about 20 bucks, so I wouldn't say they are on the same level on $5 ones. I have tried the EX-1000s personally, however I'm not so sensitive to sibliance nor grainy highs. So I would say it differs from people to people. 

post #341 of 571
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Received the Denon today. First impression is the cans are huge and the cable is long and big. The cans almost cover to my neck. LOL. Cans are nice looking and comfy.

 

Tried a few tracks (pop, hip-hop, rap) and the sound is excellent right out of the box. Bass is great yet not overdone. My son loves it and he said it's good for all genres (but I disagree with him on classical music because he never tried that genre). The long cable is a bonus for watching TV. Also iphone 4s has no problem to drive these big cans.

 

The build quality is very good. But I am afraid that the pins connecting the cans to the headband may be subject to fatigue failure in the future. Hope the engineers have taken this into design consideration so the phone will last long enough.

 

Thanks guys for the recommendation. I think it is very well worth the price paid.

 

Denon D2000.jpg


Hmm, just 1 month into it and you have started to burn money into audio. Sorry for your wallet!

 

post #342 of 571
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Originally Posted by Totally Dubbed View Post

Man!
You take EXCELLENT looking photos :D!

 

Yes agreed:

-Cable is TOO long, then again has its pros/cons - I suggest putting a cable tidy thing 

-It drives easily

-Good for all music

-Build quality makes you ponder - especially those pins u mentioned


Thanks. The camera with the iphone 4s is actually not bad.

 



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Hmm, just 1 month into it and you have started to burn money into audio. Sorry for your wallet!

 


Actually I regret I had not done this earlier like 7 yrs ago since I started listening to music heavily due to portable MP3 players. I f^^^ed up these yrs for not listening to quality music.

 

Yeah the wallet hurts. But as the old saying goes, no pain no gain. Then this is an easy decision for me, considering the return of my investment.

 

 

 

 

 

post #343 of 571

That's a very nice image for the 4s, seems like its got a nice macro lens.

 

S2 similarly i've seen absolutely amazing pictures with it...

 

Smartphones nowadays hey :)?

post #344 of 571
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That's a very nice image for the 4s, seems like its got a nice macro lens.

 

S2 similarly i've seen absolutely amazing pictures with it...

 

Smartphones nowadays hey :)?

With the iphone 4s camera quality, you probably don't need other P&S cameras. The video from the 4s is also very good.

 

This is why I love the smartphones - portable camera, video, MP3 player, phone, surfacing, email in one small piece, not mentioning the Siri.

 


 

 

post #345 of 571
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With the iphone 4s camera quality, you probably don't need other P&S cameras. The video from the 4s is also very good.

 

This is why I love the smartphones - portable camera, video, MP3 player, phone, surfacing, email in one small piece, not mentioning the Siri.

 


I love my samsung galaxy s :)

 

With video guides I produced for it, I have attained also an additional 1 million views on youtube ;)

 

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