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Uh oh. Quality was too mind blowing so he needed to rest his brain for a bit... biggrin.gif

 


Maybe that's how he tricked me to buy the "popular" Beats. LOL.

 

post #182 of 571
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Maybe that's how he tricked me to buy the "popular" Beats. LOL.

 



"Quick! Give him a dose of mediocrity so he'll retain his sanity!"

 

Honestly though, I've found that headphones by Bose and Monster do have this distinct quality of being able to wow the average consumer. I'd expect their engineers to put in a lot of work into making the perfect consumer-oriented sound signature. It's only after some time with them that you realize that something's missing.

 

My friend's AE2s sounded terrific to my ears at first with their clarity, but then I realized that a lot of details were just not there.

 

The Beats Solos and Studios sounded awesome, then I realized that everything was muffled and bloated.

 

Mind you by that time I've already listened to the CX300s, iM-590s, and A151s. If I hadn't listened to IEMs of their calibre I would have probably thought Bose and Beats were the best headphones ever.


Edited by mbamg - 1/12/12 at 1:38pm
post #183 of 571
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"Quick! Give him a dose of mediocrity so he'll retain his sanity!"

 

Honestly though, I've found that headphones by Bose and Monster do have this distinct quality of being able to wow the average consumer. It's only after some time with them that you realize that something's missing.

 

My friend's AE2s sounded terrific to my ears at first with their clarity, but then I realized that a lot of details were just not there.


The XB500 is not bad but sounds a little hollow to me. I am not a audiophile but I feel that bass is not quality bass. Personally I can't stand with the cans and they just make me uncomfortable. I had a Bose AE1 many yrs ago and never bought myself one ever since.

 

To be fair the Beats Studio is very good-looking and comfortable. Of course the sound is mediocre in general. It sounds pretty good for certain tracks.

 

 

post #184 of 571
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The XB500 is not bad but sounds a little hollow to me. I am not a audiophile but I feel that bass is not quality bass. Personally I can't stand with the cans and they just make me uncomfortable. I had a Bose AE1 many yrs ago and never bought myself one ever since.

 

To be fair the Beats Studio is very good-looking and comfortable. Of course the sound is mediocre in general. It sounds pretty good for certain tracks.

 

 


The XB series is sometimes decried as low-quality, especially their lower-end models. Personally I don't like full-sized cans because the foam is suffocating which causes me to sweat (ewww). Why don't you start low and get your son a RP-HTX7? It looks nice (classier than the beats IMO), is relatively comfortable, and should be around $40 street price.

 

post #185 of 571
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The XB series is sometimes decried as low-quality, especially their lower-end models. Personally I don't like full-sized cans because the foam is suffocating which causes me to sweat (ewww). Why don't you start low and get your son a RP-HTX7? It looks nice (classier than the beats IMO), is relatively comfortable, and should be around $40 street price.

 

 

I want him to have some quality phones and in the meantime only if he likes them. But this thing is subjective and he told me the Beats Studio is way better than the XB500.

 

Yeah the cans make me sweat too as I live in tropical weather.

post #186 of 571
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I want him to have some quality phones and in the meantime only if he likes them. But this thing is subjective and he told me the Beats Studio is way better than the XB500.

 

Yeah the cans make me sweat too as I live in tropical weather.



Not sure if he's more influenced by form or function. The human mind can easily deceive itself. Personally though I've always been against mainstream culture. I think you need to let him listen to more headphones before allowing him to make a decision. 

 

I find it strange that you would call it subjective, because in every case that I've seen anyone review the Beats in a critical way they always say that it lacks something. There isn't really anything the Beats have that headphones in the same price range don't have. In fact they have more of it. In comparison there are many "qualities" that Beats don't have that the other headphones have. It is really a dull-sounding headphone.


Edited by mbamg - 1/12/12 at 2:57pm
post #187 of 571
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Not sure if he's more influenced by form or function. The human mind can easily deceive itself. Personally though I've always been against mainstream culture. I think you need to let him listen to more headphones before allowing him to make a decision. 

 

I find it strange that you would call it subjective, because in every case that I've seen anyone review the Beats in a critical way they always say that it lacks something. There isn't really anything the Beats have that headphones in the same price range don't have. In fact they have more of it. In comparison there are many "qualities" that Beats don't have that the other headphones have. It is really a dull-sounding headphone.

I am fine with the mainstream products only if I like it, e.g. iphone, ipod. Not a fan of ipad or Mac computers.

I totally agree with you on the Beats. By "subjective" I mean each individual responds to headphone sound differently. It's like tasting food.


 

 

post #188 of 571

I think your son wants style over quality...

 

I can tell you for a fact several things:

 

The clamp on the Studios is much more than the XB500's

 

The Xb500's have MUCH MORE padding, and thus will be MUCH MORE comfortable to wear

 

The studios have a very small driver, meaning they sit ON YOUR EAR rather than over it - unless your son has the tinniest ears I have ever known....then that's something else lol

 

 

Honestly, in ALL ASPECTS, apart from true portability, the XB500's win hands down.

If you think the xb500's are bass heavy, you should hear the muffled, rubbish sound of the studios.

 

I went into HMV today, and realised the denon's (d2k's) weren't cabled properly, sounding VERY VERY bad, then I put on the beats pros - OH TO MY SURPRISE, they sounded perfect, no distortion no nothing - casual marketing by monster/hmv to get more revenue methinks - dirty tactics.

Either/or, the beats pros had punchy bass, but highs i couldn't stand on my ears, got them off, and felt so happy I got them off, as they were hurting my head due to their tight clamp and their very heavy weight.

(I'm talking beats pros not studios, but still, just wanted to share that with you)

I'm no fan boy, neither am I one to praise one brand for another, put it into perspective I was a phone call away from buying some beats pros (from the monster outlet store), but I am SO GLAD i didn't, as my XB700's sounded overall better + my d2k's that I got later just blew them out the water with no trouble.

 

end of the day its up to you and your son.

But it really sounds to me that your son wants to be a fashion model, or showing off his beats.

Thing I don't get:
Why do people choose beats pros for example, over d2k's

 

Granted most don;t know what the d2k's are, but WHO GIVES A DAM lol....each time I see someone with beats i think: showing off you got money and literally no audio experience = good job.

 

Beats products are very good, for bass lovers, like myself, but not at their price tag.

Reduce their price by 2/3's and then they start becoming worth it.

post #189 of 571
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Personally I felt much more comfortable with the Beats Studio than the XB500. I have no doubt that he was influenced by others having the popular beats. That's why I keep telling him to go with the quality than brand. This applies to everything in life.

 

post #190 of 571
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Personally I felt much more comfortable with the Beats Studio than the XB500. I have no doubt that he was influenced by others having the popular beats. That's why I keep telling him to go with the quality than brand. This applies to everything in life.

 



End of the day, if that's what he wants then let him have it...

My friend asked me (she's a girl) about the beats....i told them they sucked and that she should get other pairs - she still went out and bought them "because they look fashionable and i like the look of them"

*face palm*

 

 

 

post #191 of 571
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I want him to have some quality phones and in the meantime only if he likes them. But this thing is subjective and he told me the Beats Studio is way better than the XB500.

 

Yeah the cans make me sweat too as I live in tropical weather.



My fiend also thought the same thing about the beats from dre. I told him those are utter horse **** and don't waste your time on them. I kept insisting he get the Denon 2000s and be done with it. He actually took my advice and got an open box pair for $200.00 He later told me I had more than exceeded his expectations in music, and actually saved him some money... He also said "The denons are on a whole level above the beats." I said "I told ya so!" :)


Edited by lee730 - 1/12/12 at 4:14pm
post #192 of 571
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I think the best way to convince him once for all is to have him read this thread. etysmile.gif

post #193 of 571
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My fiend also thought the same thing about the beats from dre. I told him those are utter horse **** and don't waste your time on them. I kept insisting he get the Denon 2000s and be done with it. He actually took my advice and got an open box pair for $200.00 He later told me I had more than exceeded his expectations in music, and actually saved him some money... He also said "The denons are on a whole level above the beats." I said "I told ya so!" :)

 

I wish some people around me would think the same thing....

 

A little off topic - what is the correct, best position of the denon pads?
+ one of my denon pads is stuck and not coming out lol

 

I just want to see them :P

 

 

post #194 of 571
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End of the day, if that's what he wants then let him have it...

My friend asked me (she's a girl) about the beats....i told them they sucked and that she should get other pairs - she still went out and bought them "because they look fashionable and i like the look of them"

*face palm*

 

 

 


But flat out telling people that their choices suck is a pretty bad way to change their minds. I personally would become even more insistent if people just told me my choice sucked before making any explanations. I used to tell my sister that her choice of headphones were terrible and that only put her off. It was only until one day that I decided to say nothing and just teach her how to wear my A151s that her opinion changed. After putting on one of her usual songs, at first she noticed a difference, then she noticed an improvement (less muffled, sounded wider). Now, granted, my sister isn't going to become an audiophile anytime soon, but at least she recognizes now that there is a difference in sound quality and the difference in price can be justified (which is something that I still have trouble convincing my parents of because they actually do have pretty bad ears).

 

TL;DR Bashing people's choices just isn't the way to go. Have them sit down in a quiet room and play their favourite songs over your headphones, and they should be convinced.

 


Edited by mbamg - 1/12/12 at 4:33pm
post #195 of 571
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I wish some people around me would think the same thing....

 

A little off topic - what is the correct, best position of the denon pads?
+ one of my denon pads is stuck and not coming out lol

 

I just want to see them :P

 

 


You are trying to take them off? They are clipped into place so you have to put pressure on the pads to keep them from sliding around when you are trying to remove them and pull either up or down in a circular motion. I no longer have my pads clipped into place but I have them attached to the frame via velcro. This greatly tightens the bass and gives the cans speed with the open-back mod. That would take them to a whole other level for you if you every decide to test the mod out. Doesn't need to be permanent either. Can be tested in less than 15 minutes.

 

If not and you are just trying to figure out how the pads should be positioned; the thicker side of the pads should be on the back of your ears while the smaller side should cover the front of your ears.

 


Edited by lee730 - 1/12/12 at 4:30pm
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