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Is there a Frankenstein headphones like this? (That have it all!!!)

post #1 of 6
12/25/11 at 1:33am
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This kind of continuation of my previous thread:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/586344/it-s-either-great-bass-or-great-treble-never-both

 

But I decided to post my business here, ´cause my matter is about the high end flagship headphones.

 

So simply is there a Frankenstein headphones that have something like LCD-2 / D7000 bass and T1 mids and treble? (With HD650 comfort!)

 

It seems to be impossible to find these sort of headphones that have everything, it´s always one or the other, either great bass or great treble, never both! Why can´t anyone get it right and make headphones that have it all?!?!

 

Do I really have to pay 5000$ (SR-009) or 2000$ (LCD-3) + 5000$ amp to hear all the frequences, or does even these headphones reproduce the FULL sound that is found in professional studios with great room, speakers and a sub? Or is there something in 1000$ range that I have missed?


Edited by MetalElvis - 12/25/11 at 1:37am
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post #2 of 6
12/25/11 at 4:23pm

I'm not sure the perfect headphone you seek exists. Even the LCD-3 is said to be less treble extended and have a smaller soundstage than other top end cans. And there are those that say the LCD range have better bass than even the 009's. My guess is the balance you seek Is an impossible (or near enough) one. Bass being the main culprit, since it can be such an easily over powering thing, and general or common music tastes often prefer ever so slightly exhagerated bass attributes.

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post #3 of 6
12/25/11 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by MetalElvis View Post

This kind of continuation of my previous thread:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/586344/it-s-either-great-bass-or-great-treble-never-both

 

But I decided to post my business here, ´cause my matter is about the high end flagship headphones.

 

So simply is there a Frankenstein headphones that have something like LCD-2 / D7000 bass and T1 mids and treble? (With HD650 comfort!)

 

It seems to be impossible to find these sort of headphones that have everything, it´s always one or the other, either great bass or great treble, never both! Why can´t anyone get it right and make headphones that have it all?!?!

 

Do I really have to pay 5000$ (SR-009) or 2000$ (LCD-3) + 5000$ amp to hear all the frequences, or does even these headphones reproduce the FULL sound that is found in professional studios with great room, speakers and a sub? Or is there something in 1000$ range that I have missed?


A T1 and an equalizer?

 

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post #4 of 6
12/25/11 at 6:58pm
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A T1 and an equalizer?

 



Thing is, when you EQ more bass (generally on the low side) in to the T1, what you gain in quantity you lose in refinement and texture. Having spent hundreds of hours tweaking EQ's with the T1, I ultimately just realised that the balance Beyerdynamic reached, is nigh on perfect for the can design. It's pretty much impossible to EQ them better, not without losing something else instead. So yes, you could EQ in more bass, but you'll miss that superlatively detailed and punchy feel of it's current bass, or by doing so lose out on some of the spacial clarity or dynamism.

 

I actually EQ most of my headphones and IEM's, but the T1 is one that I don't. It's just expertly balanced. Only thing really missing is some additional sub bass impact. It's there when you need it, but just not in throat pounding or engulfing (i.e somewhat exaggerated) levels. It's sort of more mid focused and acutely refined.

 

 

Honestly, my opinion (others might disagree) is that the best balancing act or accompaniment for the T1 is a good tube amp, and not any EQ'ing. A tube amp just helps smoothen out the overall sonic tone, subdue some of that high frequency energy and give the overall presence some more body.


Edited by Naim.F.C - 12/25/11 at 7:05pm
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post #5 of 6
12/26/11 at 9:11am
your that guy that likes accentuated bass right? that artificial impact between mid-bass and lower-cloud type of emphasize? just saying cause i remember reading you mentioning good rooms and speakers. good speakers if have have good ''dead'' room you won't get that ''impact/thump'' unless the track either has good dynamics or emphasized in certain bass to mid-bass region. around 50hz if track has good dynamics is where the ''chest thump/impact'' really starts at.

anyhoo....headphones aren't meant to present vibrating accentuated bass. like mentioned, impact doesn't happen till around 50hz region if the track itself is indeed flat and has great dynamics or of course emphasized to make up for lack of dynamics. headphones if flat is suppose to give clean non-accentuated bass but will give you the impression of ''hearing the impact''. just takes bit more patience and little more concentration to recognized it. most headphones don't have issues when it comes to bass and sub-bass region to be honest since headphones rely on a good seal to trap the air.

they usually end up flawed after the top(around 10khz) and suffer from major roll-off to prevent sounding bright or piercing. usually though if headphone driver has no ringing issues and fast/clean decay then the treble wont actually sound fatiguing(but will still sound bright but not piercing if that makes sense to you) on good recording with good dynamics, and of course depends how loud you like listening to them as well. volume is usually the main culprit when it comes to headphones with extended high frequencies that's why it's good to get headphones that's more relaxed on the top-end if you have to listen at higher then normal listening levels to prevent ear damage cause of the build-up of treble energy. speakers suffer from this a lot as well cause of the persons room causing major resonance and reflections at loud spl.

for headphones....well i can't say. just have to find the one for you and if not, i guess only suggestion be is stick to speakers.
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post #6 of 6
12/26/11 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by RexAeterna View Post

your that guy that likes accentuated bass right? that artificial impact between mid-bass and lower-cloud type of emphasize? just saying cause i remember reading you mentioning good rooms and speakers. good speakers if have have good ''dead'' room you won't get that ''impact/thump'' unless the track either has good dynamics or emphasized in certain bass to mid-bass region. around 50hz if track has good dynamics is where the ''chest thump/impact'' really starts at.
anyhoo....headphones aren't meant to present vibrating accentuated bass. like mentioned, impact doesn't happen till around 50hz region if the track itself is indeed flat and has great dynamics or of course emphasized to make up for lack of dynamics. headphones if flat is suppose to give clean non-accentuated bass but will give you the impression of ''hearing the impact''. just takes bit more patience and little more concentration to recognized it. most headphones don't have issues when it comes to bass and sub-bass region to be honest since headphones rely on a good seal to trap the air.
they usually end up flawed after the top(around 10khz) and suffer from major roll-off to prevent sounding bright or piercing. usually though if headphone driver has no ringing issues and fast/clean decay then the treble wont actually sound fatiguing(but will still sound bright but not piercing if that makes sense to you) on good recording with good dynamics, and of course depends how loud you like listening to them as well. volume is usually the main culprit when it comes to headphones with extended high frequencies that's why it's good to get headphones that's more relaxed on the top-end if you have to listen at higher then normal listening levels to prevent ear damage cause of the build-up of treble energy. speakers suffer from this a lot as well cause of the persons room causing major resonance and reflections at loud spl.
for headphones....well i can't say. just have to find the one for you and if not, i guess only suggestion be is stick to speakers.

 

Well yeah I like to hear the bass (and feel the bass in my chest although I know that´s impossible with headphones).
 

The LCD-2 and D7000 bass gets closest to what is professional studio sound with great speakers, room and a sub. Headphones like T1 and HD800 are night and day compared to LCD-2 and D7000 bass. I don´t actually think the bass is emphasized with LCD-2 and D7000, it´s just more realistic bass, if you compare it to professional studio enviroment bass levels. I would say that HD800 and T1 just don´t have a realistic bass level, it´s cut out! (almost complitely with HD800, I can´t understand what Sennheiser guys were thinking?) But I still love T1 despite of this "error".

 

My problem is that LCD-2 isn´t bright enough (especially the upper mids seem to be recessed which makes them a bit "soft" for my taste, it´s pleasant to listen to, but I do also mixing with headphones, so it would be nice to get everything. D7000 have scooped mids and really harsh and spiky treble.

 

If only I could get T1 treble to the LCD-2 (and mids, although LCD-2 mids are pretty good also), that would be close to what I´m searching. Is the LCD-3 much brighter than LCD-2? Does it have more upper mids? If so, it could be my next step. And how would you describe Stax SR-009 sound to my tastes?

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