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post #20971 of 25600
Lulz. Glad people are finally comin around on FAD. Really under rated brand in these parts. I personally feel that there are severely diminishing returns to be had moving beyond something like the Heaven C/S, which typically clock in at the $200-ish mark. I know the V is pretty similar to the VI, which is one of my all time fave phones
post #20972 of 25600
I hadn't looked at the other posts on the W4 and W40, but Westone does in fact claim better soung on the W40 and the series (in a few places, I'll post a short interview w/Tyll where he says they thought they could get even better sound, and they believe they did (paraphrasing). Looking at the Head-Fi posts, not one actually says they listened to both and found they were identical, it's always, "I heard..." and "they probably just made cosmetic changes...", stuff along those lines, so, I may change my initial impressions (buI'd be surprised if they completely about face-possible, but doesn't seem likely). If I hear it different trying to control for tips and all, I'll say so. (I have the 4's-haven't heard the 4r's...the buzz on them was that they were similar to the 4's, but maybe they are closer to the 40 than the 4's are, don't know from my own experience, but the changes with the cable do make it closer mechanically).
Here's the post-he doesn't say, "It's a day and night improvement over the W4's, you won't even know they were the same basic component). the claims are modest, but there. Listen



and this, again, claims improvement (of course, ads ALWAYS do, but...)
http://myemail.constantcontact.com/WESTONE-INTRODUCES-THE-ALL-NEW-W-SERIES-EARPHONES--DESIGNED-FOR-MUSIC-LOVERS-AND-AUDIOPHILES.html?soid=1102655398472&aid=MsTDtW43mx4
Edited by doctorjazz - 2/1/14 at 9:23pm
post #20973 of 25600
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Originally Posted by Idsynchrono_24 View Post

Lulz. Glad people are finally comin around on FAD. Really under rated brand in these parts. I personally feel that there are severely diminishing returns to be had moving beyond something like the Heaven C/S, which typically clock in at the $200-ish mark. I know the V is pretty similar to the VI, which is one of my all time fave phones

I grabbed the VI just to hear how much better it is over the V.  Can you tell me what you feel about the Kuro compared to the FAD's.  I've heard the SUI and loved it but it was a tad peaky at higher volumes.  I'm curious if the Kuro is tamer in treble.  I had no problems with the bass of the Sui but if the there's a tad more on the Kuro, I'll be happy.  

post #20974 of 25600
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Originally Posted by Idsynchrono_24 View Post

Lulz. Glad people are finally comin around on FAD. Really under rated brand in these parts. I personally feel that there are severely diminishing returns to be had moving beyond something like the Heaven C/S, which typically clock in at the $200-ish mark. I know the V is pretty similar to the VI, which is one of my all time fave phones

What are you talking about. Can't become a popular Head-Fier if you don't wax poetic about FAD these days. You freaks have no shortages of rabid fans for your niche product within a niche product.
 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

In fact, seems like with all this waxing, people seem to be turned away from the II, which seem to be conventionally promising, and that seems to be a huge loss for the majority non-freak population. Seems to be the case.

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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
^ ehhh alls i see is dat SEXCEE SQUARE. : P

A huge turn-off for the rest of us.

post #20975 of 25600
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post

 

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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

 

Sorry that the bald head distracted you from my point. Please allow me to try again... :)

 

 

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^ ehhh alls i see is dat SEXCEE SQUARE. : P

 

Looks like the perfect fit!

post #20976 of 25600
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Originally Posted by DannyBai View Post
 

I can't take them out of my ears since I bought them.  When I switch to other earphones, I go back to them and you know the gears I have.  They are remarkable.  Does that justify it?  :veryevil:

 

You got them BE's so really no need but they are very good.  Maybe you should have a listen?  

 

 

I thought we were friends, DannyBai? :confused_face:

 

 

 

lol

post #20977 of 25600
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Originally Posted by doctorjazz View Post

I hadn't looked at the other posts on the W4 and W40, but Westone does in fact claim better soung on the W40 and the series (in a few places, I'll post a short interview w/Tyll where he says they thought they could get even better sound, and they believe they did (paraphrasing). Looking at the Head-Fi posts, not one actually says they listened to both and found they were identical, it's always, "I heard..." and "they probably just made cosmetic changes...", stuff along those lines, so, I may change my initial impressions (buI'd be surprised if they completely about face-possible, but doesn't seem likely). If I hear it different trying to control for tips and all, I'll say so. (I have the 4's-haven't heard the 4r's...the buzz on them was that they were similar to the 4's, but maybe they are closer to the 40 than the 4's are, don't know from my own experience, but the changes with the cable do make it closer mechanically).
Here's the post-he doesn't say, "It's a day and night improvement over the W4's, you won't even know they were the same basic component). the claims are modest, but there. Listen

I can't help but think that they must have misspoken during then and was surprised that they didn't take that back. From the emails that seem to be exchanged between Westone and a couple other Head-Fiers I think the official line is that the changes are only cosmetic, and I do believe that was mentioned on the thread. Some varying opinions within the company, or maybe someone might want to make an email to a Westone representative that's not CS/PR-only.

 

The 4Rs and the 4s, only a few would ever debate the difference in sound between the two, and they would usually be shot down. Having tried the R extensively multiple, times because of this notion being perpetuated, I cannot in good conscience agree with them. They are so ridiculously similar any difference should and would be chalked up to typical unit variance like any other IEM. I can't help but shake my head when others mention that on other threads. But the floor (like I said in my previous post I'm more inclined to believe you) is open in regards to the W40s, exactly.

post #20978 of 25600
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Originally Posted by vlenbo View Post
 

You'll be disappointed with the amount of detail you hear with instruments and vocals. Just saying. :evil: 

 

@DannyBai 

To be honest, the re700s would have been better over ear, but it's good that its on ear too.

 

That's surprising. I was getting the impression from the pata-hypster that the amount of detail was out of the stratosphere. Maybe I read it wrong?

post #20979 of 25600
I don't feel like the SUI/KURO is similar to the Heaven line at all. Not the VI anyway. I had Soundfreaq's VI on loan about a year ago to A/B against the SUI and it's a totally different animal. The VI is much more mid centric whereas both the SUI and the KURO are slightly U shaped. In any case, the mids on the Ocha phones come across as more recessed compared to the VI. Both the VI and the Ocha phones cast surprisingly large stages (the Ochas dethroning the FAD) and excel at positioning. The VI is more mid bassy than the Ocharaku which is leaner in comparison.

Both the VI and the Ocha phones have really natural sounding timbre, but the VI is more vivid. When I listen to strings and piano on the VI, they sound far richer comparatively compared to the Ocha phones. I've actually never since heard pianos and strings rendered in quite the same fashion as on the VI. When I mention a rich sounding midrange I don't want to imply that it's lacking for detail or overly smooth/lush, cause it's not. It straddles a fine divide between texture and creaminess if that makes sense, that's kinda the magic of the Heaven phones IMO.

As for differences between the SUI/KURO... I had both phones in my possession for some time, and actually rather struggled to spot any meaningful differences between the two. The KURO seems to fill in a bit more of the midrange compared to the SUI, but other than that, I was kinda hard pressed to tell the difference between the two. I think the differences between KAEDE to SUI/KURO is more dramatic than SUI to KURO.
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Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post

What are you talking about. Can't become a popular Head-Fier if you don't wax poetic about FAD these days. You freaks have no shortages of rabid fans for your niche product within a niche product.

  Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
In fact, seems like with all this waxing, people seem to be turned away from the II, which seem to be conventionally promising, and that seems to be a huge loss for the majority non-freak population. Seems to be the case.
A huge turn-off for the rest of us.

You don't come to a FAD party hoping for unrelenting accuracy man, you're there to drop acid, fondle carpet samples and make out with art school rejects; you're there to feel
Edited by Idsynchrono_24 - 2/1/14 at 9:39pm
post #20980 of 25600
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

Looks like the perfect fit!

No he wouldn't like them. Remember he has horrible taste since the cardboard covers his head. Maybe if they bumped the bass up +100dB....

post #20981 of 25600
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Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post
 

As a certain idiot we're all too familiar with would say, HYPED BOI HYPE...D!!@?!!

^ I LOVE YOU TOO!!!

Fff outta' here with dat nonsense!!!

 

WORLD PEACE WORLD PEACE WORLD PEACE!!! ;)

 

 

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Originally Posted by vlenbo View Post
 

You'll be disappointed with the amount of detail you hear with instruments and vocals. Just saying. :evil: 

 

@DannyBai 

To be honest, the re700s would have been better over ear, but it's good that its on ear too.

^ yeppp i already set myself up for disappointment hence why i got those v-moda cables durrr!!! :ksc75smile:

 

They cost me $18 bones but is worth it cuz i can use them on my modded T50PRs as well, sweet!!!

 

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Originally Posted by Idsynchrono_24 View Post

Lulz. Glad people are finally comin around on FAD. Really under rated brand in these parts. I personally feel that there are severely diminishing returns to be had moving beyond something like the Heaven C/S, which typically clock in at the $200-ish mark. I know the V is pretty similar to the VI, which is one of my all time fave phones

ehhh those AKG K3003s ring a bell??? LMAO Oh the irony. You birdies are funny meng. :tongue:

post #20982 of 25600
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

 

That's surprising. I was getting the impression from the pata-hypster that the amount of detail was out of the stratosphere. Maybe I read it wrong?

It is pretty detailed, VERY detailed to be honest. Analytically detailed.

 

That's why I said he'll be disappointed, :p I should improve on my articulation here.

 

The amount of detail in the martin logans are astounding, no kidding. They're definitely worth $300 due to the sharp, clear, yet still clean detail you hear. Unfortunately...

 

It's also thin sounding. So he may be disappointed in that regard. :evil: Sorry for being unclear wayne. He will also be disappointed since the clarity will addict him to the point of selling all his headphones.

 

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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 

^ I LOVE YOU TOO!!!

Fff outta' here with dat nonsense!!!

 

WORLD PEACE WORLD PEACE WORLD PEACE!!! ;)

 

 

^ yeppp i already set myself up for disappointment hence why i got those v-moda cables durrr!!! :ksc75smile:

 

They cost me $18 bones but is worth it cuz i can use them on my modded T50PRs as well, sweet!!!

 

ehhh those AKG K3003s ring a bell??? LMAO Oh the irony. You birdies are funny meng. :tongue:

Also, see my post above. It was meant to be a lighthearted joke, since I don' t think people will actually be disappointed with the detail at all. It's just, the detail they deliver, may in fact, make you sell all your other headphones, or you'll probably want to keep the martins. ;) 


Edited by vlenbo - 2/1/14 at 9:42pm
post #20983 of 25600
You may be right, I may be crazy...(as I've said elsewhere, life should be a musical, and i feel another song coming on)


They definitely had a similar house sound, and I don't think I'm going to tell W4 owners they should burn them and get the 40's immediately. But, that was what I heard in my initial listening.ksc75smile.gif
Maybe my old pair isn't the best-got it on clearance when InMotion was dumping them a year or so ago. Don't know. More later;
Edited by doctorjazz - 2/1/14 at 9:48pm
post #20984 of 25600
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
 

 

 

I thought we were friends, DannyBai? :confused_face:

 

 

 

lol

 

We are sir and that's why you will hear those V's if you buy them or not.  :beerchug:

 

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Originally Posted by Idsynchrono_24 View Post

I don't feel like the SUI/KURO is similar to the Heaven line at all. Not the VI anyway. I had Soundfreaq's VI on loan about a year ago to A/B against the SUI and it's a totally different animal. The VI is much more mid centric whereas both the SUI and the KURO are slightly U shaped. In any case, the mids on the Ocha phones come across as more recessed compared to the VI. Both the VI and the Ocha phones cast surprisingly large stages (the Ochas dethroning the FAD) and excel at positioning. The VI is more mid bassy than the Ocharaku which is leaner in comparison.

Both the VI and the Ocha phones have really natural sounding timbre, but the VI is more vivid. When I listen to strings and piano on the VI, they sound far richer comparatively compared to the Ocha phones. I've actually never since heard pianos and strings rendered in quite the same fashion as on the VI. When I mention a rich sounding midrange I don't want to imply that it's lacking for detail or overly smooth/lush, cause it's not. It straddles a fine divide between texture and creaminess if that makes sense, that's kinda the magic of the Heaven phones IMO.

As for differences between the SUI/KURO... I had both phones in my possession for some time, and actually rather struggled to spot any meaningful differences between the two. The KURO seems to fill in a bit more of the midrange compared to the SUI, but other than that, I was kinda hard pressed to tell the difference between the two. I think the differences between KAEDE to SUI/KURO is more dramatic than SUI to KURO.
You don't come to a FAD party hoping for unrelenting accuracy man, you're there to drop acid, fondle carpet samples and make out with art school rejects; you're there to feel

Thank you.  That tells me a lot.  

post #20985 of 25600
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Originally Posted by Idsynchrono_24 View Post

You don't come to a FAD party hoping for unrelenting accuracy man, you're there to drop acid, fondle carpet samples and make out with art school rejects; you're there to feel

That's completely counterintuitive. You don't need an earphone to enjoy a perfectly good shag carpet.

 

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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 

^ I LOVE YOU TOO!!!

It's not reciprocal.

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