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Man, my head is gonna explode trying to describe the sounds from these various headphones and earphones.  But here goes.  

 

The best part about the HE500's is the vocals.  It's front and center and there's good air around it.  Very smooth and crisp without any sibilance.  There's also a nice thickness to it which brings me to the bass.  The bass is full sounding and has good speed.  Doesn't reach to sub-bass levels but doesn't sound like it's just mid-bass.  Keeps up with the music and makes its presence known for sure. I prefer the HE500's bass over the HE400's but the HE400's are faster and has better quality.  HE500's has more quantity.  Treble is another strong spot because it's crisp and layered but never reaches peaky levels.  The HE400's get close to peakiness and ultimately is a faster sounding headphone but doesn't have the lushness and smoothness of the HE500's.  Soundstage isn't huge on the HE500's but there's a good amount of openness to the sound.  That's about all that's coming to mind unless you have any specifics. 

I'm sorry danny, if it makes you feel better, you're forcing people to lose their money while you lose your head. I guess it's a lose-lose. :tongue:

 

Well not forcing, more compelling others to do so.

 

Either way, that's interesting, I wonder how other competitors like the on1s and m500s sound in comparison to these Hifiman. 

 

From your description, the 400 and 500 have different sigs, but they're both pretty good?

post #20837 of 25592
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That's good to know.

post #20838 of 25592
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I'm sorry danny, if it makes you feel better, you're forcing people to lose their money while you lose your head. I guess it's a lose-lose. :tongue:

 

Well not forcing, more compelling others to do so.

 

Either way, that's interesting, I wonder how other competitors like the on1s and m500s sound in comparison to these Hifiman. 

 

From your description, the 400 and 500 have different sigs, but they're both pretty good?

This site has FORCED me to lose lots of my money.  Only kidding.  Thankfully some of it has paid off finding great sounding gear.  Hard to be content with what I own.  Only staying away from here is the cure.  

 

Both Hifiman's are very different signatures the way I hear it.  I'm sure the ON1 and M500's sound great, at least I know the M500's sounded excellent but the Hifiman's totally sound different.  It's a bigger sound and there's lots of details in the music they pick up.  I don't own any gears that put more than 1 watt into the HE500's so there's more potential I might be missing too.  It seems the new ones will be even easier to drive so that's a good thing.  The 400's are fast and excel with metal and music with speed.  The 500's do well with vocals and is not so genre specific as the 400's.  At least that's what I think.  Neither do bad with any genre, it's just what I've noticed.  

post #20839 of 25592
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Originally Posted by DannyBai View Post
 

Man, my head is gonna explode trying to describe the sounds from these various headphones and earphones.  But here goes.  

 

The best part about the HE500's is the vocals.  It's front and center and there's good air around it.  Very smooth and crisp without any sibilance.  There's also a nice thickness to it which brings me to the bass.  The bass is full sounding and has good speed.  Doesn't reach to sub-bass levels but doesn't sound like it's just mid-bass.  Keeps up with the music and makes its presence known for sure. I prefer the HE500's bass over the HE400's but the HE400's are faster and has better quality.  HE500's has more quantity.  Treble is another strong spot because it's crisp and layered but never reaches peaky levels.  The HE400's get close to peakiness and ultimately is a faster sounding headphone but doesn't have the lushness and smoothness of the HE500's.  Soundstage isn't huge on the HE500's but there's a good amount of openness to the sound.  That's about all that's coming to mind unless you have any specifics. 

 

Thanks for your impressions! So how is imaging? Is the soundstage very 3D, as in good width/depth/height, or are the instruments and vocals just spread out around you evenly? Do you have issues with the upper mids and lower treble that I've heard others complain about? And how do they compare to the AD900X (or AD2000X if you've heard it)? Sorry for the barrage of questions lol.

post #20840 of 25592
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Originally Posted by DannyBai View Post
 

This site has FORCED me to lose lots of my money.  Only kidding.  Thankfully some of it has paid off finding great sounding gear.  Hard to be content with what I own.  Only staying away from here is the cure.  

 

Both Hifiman's are very different signatures the way I hear it.  I'm sure the ON1 and M500's sound great, at least I know the M500's sounded excellent but the Hifiman's totally sound different.  It's a bigger sound and there's lots of details in the music they pick up.  I don't own any gears that put more than 1 watt into the HE500's so there's more potential I might be missing too.  It seems the new ones will be even easier to drive so that's a good thing.  The 400's are fast and excel with metal and music with speed.  The 500's do well with vocals and is not so genre specific as the 400's.  At least that's what I think.  Neither do bad with any genre, it's just what I've noticed.  

Emotiva, Danny. Emotiva ;)
I'm sure you can swing it instead of a new IEM purchase
The sound coming out of my HE-500 is outstanding! Virtually perfect

post #20841 of 25592
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Thanks for your impressions! So how is imaging? Is the soundstage very 3D, as in good width/depth/height, or are the instruments and vocals just spread out around you evenly? Do you have issues with the upper mids and lower treble that I've heard others complain about? And how do they compare to the AD900X (or AD2000X if you've heard it)? Sorry for the barrage of questions lol.

Well for me music surrounds you and immerses you fully, it seemingly can come from every direction depending on how it is recorded
Imaging is very natural and realistic, best way I can describe it. It is very accurate, but not pin-point sharp. Just extremely well done

No issues with upper mids/lower treble for me, I feel like everything is correct on these headphones. Sometimes I could do with more treble/airiness, sometimes I don't want anymore - weird huh

Slays the AD900x, especially in the bass department. But I do really like the AD900x/AD900. It's just a bit thin sounding compared to the fullness of the HE-500

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COMPARISON TIME!

 

A900x vs ES700s vs RE700s vs WS99s

 

First test song: NORAH JONES - Sunrise

 

A900x - We begin with the bass intro, the strings that you hear being pulled is done well here, the quality is there, the quantity is just the right amount as it doesn't bleed into the instruments, but quantity is good enough to satisfy a balancephile(not basshead). It is a bit recessed in comparison to the instruments, but only behind by two decibels. Once Norah sings, I am immediately struck by how sharp and clear the vocals were. It sounded pretty good, and I hear no veil with her voices either to be honest, as other headfiers stated. Now, when the male background singers come in, I do hear a bit of a veil, but I believe it applies to males in the songs I listen to. 

 

The vocals sound rough though, sometimes I wish it was a bit smoother as it does make her voice sound rougher than it should be (unless it was intentional, but these headphones do it a bit to the extreme). Instruments sound thin, as did the bass unfortunately...

The guitars sounded pretty crunchy on these headphones, though I have to say that the thinness of the sound took the fun out of it.

Piano sounded good in tone, but lacks the thickness and bass strength to provide me a more satisfying DUN! experience. 

I could still hear instruments even if they're playing lightly, as well as the other headphones. 

 

But it was a great sound to hear from these beauts.

 

Imaging is fantastic, the instrument placement, vocals, background singers, etc, were placed where I hoped they'd be. Norah center, singers behind her, instruments on the right and left (guitars and piano).

 

ES700- The bass intro here is different, it's a bit tighter, more bodied (surprise there), and a bit more in quantity, but still recessed by 2 decibels again. Strings, again, can be heard being pulled, but a bit better, and with more vigor. The instruments take a bit more priority here, especially when the vocals come in, that's when the bass sounds a bit behind. The vocals take front center with these headphones by the same amount of decibels as instruments. The difference? Everything sounds thicker, more natural, and easier for the ears as norah doesn't sound as rough as the a900x. Yet, the a900x and these headphones share one thing in common. They both sound grainy with vocals, and that takes away my blissful adventure to the music world because of that. While guitars don’t sound as crunchy as the a900x (and the other headphones after these two), these do them justice as it does give it a good amount of thickness and just -1 db of clarity is taken away. Piano sounded a bit more realistic, in the sense that I could hear the weight of the piano keys, unlike the a900x’s. The clarity of the piano is pretty good on the es700s (not like the a900x, but those made it sound thin and weak, but not hollow).

 

Despite that, the vocals were better and more enticing than the a900x. How? Well, not only was it thicker, males weren't veiled, the vocals sounded similarly clear to the a900x's, sounding less grainy and harsh, but most important of all, the voices are smoother and more captivating. There is some magic on the mids here...it's a sweet smooth, and closer to the audiophile. It sounds “airier”, more emotional, and euphonic...

 

The reason I put quotations on airier is due to the boxed in effect I hear on these es700s. No, it’s not actually boxed in, it’s airy to satisfy every user. When you hear the a900x’s though, they do sound more open and less constricted, it’s as if norah was outside, not inside a studio singing.

 

Imaging is great, I could almost tell that the instruments and vocals, as well as the bass, was placed correctly.

 

 

WS99- Just like I said on the last sentence of the re700's, these also have a different SQ. The bass is more conservative, but a bit richer than the rest. It does sound pretty tight, but I think even then, the re700s best it, at least by half a step. The quality and texture is equal on both, and the impact is a bit better on the ws99s, but the re700's are pretty close, no joke here.

 

The mids on these are pretty surprising. I didn't expect a bassophone to have good vocals, these sound splendid in the way the bass presents the rest of the spectrum. It has big and bold sound, thicker sounding than all of my headphones, the instruments sound thick enough to my enjoyment, still good clarity, and the vocals sound just as smooth as the re700s, no grain heard like the es700s and a900x's.

The vocals still can't beat the rest of the headphone lineup. These are a step below the es700s, two steps below in a900x, and three steps behind the re700s in terms of airiness, open space. It does sound similar to the es700s, but the es700s have that magic that make it sound airier than the ws99s...

 

Imaging is decent.

 

YET!

DUN DUN

 

 

RE700- BAM! The bass is even tighter, a bit thicker, and most important of all, more in quantity! THIS HEAPDHONE NAILS BASS LIKE NO OTHER! The bass is almost inline with the instruments and vocals, I'd say it's at least -.5 db behind, or 0, as I don't hear the disparity between the whole frequency. This has better texture than the other headphones, as the es700s did pretty good with keeping up with the different tones of the bass, as did the a900xs, but this headphone plays it mad as not only the impact of the bass is evident compared to the other two, the strings are easier to feel, tones are richer and more lifelike, realistic. I can't stress this enough, this sounds like a reference monitor when it comes to bass...

 

The mids however, ...oh wait, they're ok. ...great.. 

 

PSYCHE! They are amazing, god like, heavenly, FAD should make friends with audio technica and zero audio and make the best IEM that can sound this good. The vocals here are similar to the es700s in terms of quantity. It actually is the same to be honest, I thought it was behind the es700s, but hearing them again, makes me believe that they are just as forward as the es700s, but so are the highs and lows. This is THE balanced headphone, the ws99s that should have been.. After constant A/Bing, they are similar in mid quantity, maybe the re700’s are at least -.5 to -1 decibel lower in the mids than the es700s. Not that much of a difference.

 

The vocals sound airier than the es700s, making the es700s sound a bit boxed in, and sound similar to the a900x's airy levels. The difference is that it loses that extra sharpness that I hear from the a900x, which can sound like grain, has a more euphonic sound over the a900x's, sound more emotional and just half a step airier and more realistic, and the vocals sound lifelike, real, right there in front of you that you thought she was singing only for you. :) These also are thicker sounding than the a900x's, which is surprising to say the least...not to mention the tonal balance. These do songs justice as I can individually pick the different pitches and tones of instruments and singers, no joke on that. The background singers are also placed more accurately with norah than the other two headphones I mentioned. Imaging is phenomenal on these headphones, just brilliant. The es700s is two steps behind these headphones, and the a900x is one step behind it. I need more time to compare the soundstage and imaging though, but the differences in SQ are obvious.

 

Will do another comparo tomorrow morning. I'll use two more songs and that's as far as I go. It'll be more articulate and shorter.

 

Overall Clarity + Detail

 

A900x>=Re700>>Es700>=WS99

 

Bass impact, quality, and quantity ranking

 

Re700>Ws99>Es700>A900x

 

Based on comparisons on two headphones, the bass impact, quality, punch, goes to..

Re700>>>>A900x

WS99>>>A900x

ES700>>A900x

 

The treble will be next tomorrow. But knowing the multiple A/Bing from three days ago.

 

Treble detail + Thick

 

Re700>>ES700>>WS99>A900x

 

 

Analytical goes to

 

 

A900x 

 

Smooth sounding overall, while having the details to back it up and open space

 

RE700x

 

Great mids, a bit more enclosed, and is mid-centric

 

ES700s

 

 

 

Great thick bass, Big bold sound

 

WS99

 

While I say that the re700s beat them all in the whole frequency range. There is one thing people have to be aware of

 

The vocals for the most part, sound great.

 

No silibance in SSSS, CHHHH, FFFF, etc

 

BUT, there will be some recordings that will exhibit this silibance, but mostly in small amounts and usually in random places. Sometimes when I hear the singers stress their SSSS, I don't hear any silibance, but then some areas I do...

 

Either my headphone is whack, or something else is happening.

 

EDIT: AIRINESS AND SPACE GOES TO

 

A900x>=Re700>>>Es700>WS99


Edited by vlenbo - 1/31/14 at 12:29am
post #20843 of 25592
Gotta hear the vocals from the mikros90 and cardas em5813😲...so much emotion in the midrange....holy moly the breath from the singer is felt😲
post #20844 of 25592
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Gotta hear the vocals from the mikros90 and cardas em5813😲...so much emotion in the midrange....holy moly the breath from the singer is felt😲

I say the same with the re700s and H-3s, M200, and Im-02. :)

post #20845 of 25592
😋 delicious vocals 😎
post #20846 of 25592
I always have difficulty getting the bass right with the Mikros 90... Getting the positioning right to hear bass as I think it should sound is problematic. Maybe it's an issue of head size /shape. I find these are as sensitive to little shifts as some iems
post #20847 of 25592

Here's a collection of impressions from another person who actually got the Havi Pro B3, and can't post here:

 

"I got my Havi B3, and they are indeed the pro version. The sound is very balanced, with just the right amount of bass. Love the mids. very upfront and clear. If you can let the fellas in the discovery page know that the version I got in ugomark was the Pro version. great even before burn in. Thanks for the heads up. I kept my Piston, now i have the Havi, and I sold all the rest of my IEMs. Might still pick something up like the ROCKETS or the Fostex, but not sure. Anyways, I got the Pro version, and it's a really good dual dynamic.

 

what jumped out at my at first listen is the spacious soundstage and the airiness between instruments like the RE-400/ZERO. It's a very transparent dual dynamic. The mids aren't lush like the M200, but that's ok for me, because the mids are still well represented, and not as claustrophobic as the M200's mids are. I'd qualify the Havi B3 Pro as sounding very similar to the HiFiMan RE-ZERO, but with better bass weight, speed, and almost identical treble response to the RE-400, with that same type of transparency/airyness. It's definitely a keeper and ends my search at the moment for a great all-arounder every day dual dynamic.

 

i'm hoping with burn in the bass gets a bit more refined. It's definitely balanced, and hence bass light, and though it still has bass that's better than the RE, it's still doesn't have much sub bass depth or impact. It's an articulate bass, but not refined or deep reaching. It's linear. 

 

these have had about 12 hours of burn in, and they definitely are equals to the KEF M200. There is nothing the M200 can do, that the Havi B3 Pro can't do. With burn in, the mids have really grown and flourished. Much more lush than right out of the box. The sound has opened up so much, that the soundstage and imaging, transparency and spacing are equal or superior to the M200. Bass is perfectly articulate and present without bloat, boom, or bleed. The highs are what really have come forward with burn in. This is where they sneak past the M200 IMHO. The treble is sharp, clear, deliberate, with just the right amount of separation, decay, sustain, and timbre. It's not too extended as to become sparkly or sibilant, but controlled and natural. The BEST $50.00 I've ever spent on a pair of IEMs ever. They make the Xiaomi Piston sound clautrophobic, quiet, and two dimensional. This from a huge fan of the Piston!! But the truth is the truth. They are a league above the Piston. They sit in the same league as the M200. WOW dude. I don't know why they killed this amazing sound with the other versions?? "

 

Until we can figure out how to 100% order the pro version without getting stuck with the other versions, I would not recommend purchasing one yet.


Edited by bhazard - 1/31/14 at 6:25am
post #20848 of 25592

So now that I'm in love with my H3, AS-2, and like a lot some mid-fi like the Dunu DN-1000 and DN-900 (hope to get full review on the latter done when I get back in town), I'm thinking about selling my beloved Cardas. Why? Because the H3 and AS-2 are covering all the bases (for the most part) that I love about the Cardas, and I'm interested in going to a very high-end headphone now (I won't say which one just yet). I'm still debating this in my head though, because I really love the Cardas (sound, build, everything). We'll see. I have to many earphones and headphones now. Time to narrow down to a precious few. Might sell the Pistons and MHC1 too in some type of package deal.

post #20849 of 25592
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Until we can figure out how to 100% order the pro version without getting stuck with the other versions, I would not recommend purchasing one yet.

I really hope that we do find out how to get the pro version since I love the build and fit of the B3's, they're one of my most comfortable IEM's. My version just don't sound good enough.
post #20850 of 25592
I also want the havi b3pro😞
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