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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post

     Hmm...now I'm feeling the really big hype surrounding these little earphones. What makes them so good that it makes you stand so glued onto your statement that kinda sounds like they could trump CIEMs? Their bio-cellulose (probably the same material used in the legendary MDR-R10) drivers? Are they really that good?

Well they deserve the praise, trust
Technically speaking, they are fantastic no real weaknesses other than depth of soundstage (but thats monitoring IEMs for ya)
They were an eye opener for sure, truly a taste of high end sound that may be addicting lol
post #18962 of 25590
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Okay...fine. If the GR02 is as good as y'all say they are, I will do all within my power to acquire them within the year. 

GR07! GR02 is a signifcant step down
post #18963 of 25590
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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post
 

Okay...fine. If the GR02 is as good as y'all say they are, I will do all within my power to acquire them within the year. 

 

It's not just the GR07. It's that this new crop of sub $200 iems serve as a serious sanity check for people who own these uber iems. The difference in SQ is not nearly worth the price. It's like the hypercar market where you pay an extra $100k for that extra 0.3s off your 0-60 times.

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Just a heads up. 

 

This is a brief comparison of my three favorite iems.

 

The ath-im02 is my second favorite out of the three iems, it has resolving vocals with impactful drums and bass, while having a crispy and tender treble

 

The h-3s have become my personal first favorite, and eric was right about it above the m200s, not exponentially, but enough to warrant an additional $100 purchase (I bought it with additional $150, right now amazon japan has them for 300 or so, so you can save 30 dollars with the cost in japan than the us). 

 

the m200s score the third favorite iem that I own.

 

and the ck10s are pretty much the fourth if I had to include a fourth one.

 

Sony H-3s

The mids are pretty smooth, smoother than the im02 while still sounding full and timbre accurate. The ck10s fail in this regard as they cannot keep a full sound with at least some crispness to the instruments and vocals, and totally messes up the timbre altogether. The m200s sounds fuller and has great timbre in its own right, but due to the lushness of the mids, the timbre falls short when compared to the h-3s. The h-3s do have an emotional upbringing to my music collection, just as the im-02 and m200s do. 

 

In fact, I Sometimes I pick the im-02 above the h-3s for more clarity and cleanness, sometimes I switch with the h-3s for that smooth bass, awesome balanced highs (not silibant or dark), and those nice creamy mids. The m200s have that wonderful bass that I will explain a few lines below, and the fact that the mids are lush as heck, while having the highs still detailed while sounding somewhat dark.

 

This means something, doesn't it?!

 

I will have these three iems as my companions for years to come (or until dsnuts hypes another unknown iem)

 

M200's bass vs the rest

 

It has a different bass than the h-3s, as the h-3s have a different bass sound and texture as the im-02s. The ck10s have similar bass to the im-02s, but I prefer the im-02s for its profound rumbling, which is something the ck10s lack. The h-3s rumble is stupendous, enough to satiate a basshead. Unfortunately, the bass is a bit too smooth at times, and makes me lose the full tone of the bass sound, so the im-02s and m200s fix that regard, only the m200s does it the best imo. However, the bass in each is different sounding, and cannot be compared, it is all about preference.

 

Basically, these three earphones have different sigs that should warrant someone's attention in the best iemi for them based on their SQ preference. 

 

M200s mids vs the rest

 

m200's mids are lusher, while the highs are pretty laid back, followed by a nice defined and warm, tight bass.

 

H-3s mids vs the rest

 

the h-3s mids are slightly less lush than the m200s, but has more clarity than the m200s and makes the instruments sound more natural (as well as vocals) imo. Unfortunately, the volume, like the m200s, have to be high in order for the vocals to be heard.

 

IM-02s mids vs the rest

 

The im-02s mids are euphonic and pretty smooth in its own right. It has this trait of the ck10s, but adds additional detail that the ck10s lacked. The highs have a good crisp, and at times, hot bite that people may enjoy. The h-3s highs are usually between bright and dark, just the perfect balance imo. It has that nice and refined detail that the im-02s slightly lack, but the h-3s lack the crispness, yet still smooth, sound of the im-02s. 

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Yeah exactly right eke
Chasing that last 10 - 20 percent of sound is an addicting adventure that will hit your wallet hard
Its just most audiophiles will find flaws in SQs and will spend lots of money trying to rectify those flaws without regards to money spent
Those flaws will be constantly nagging them and irriating them until the point of purchasing a new IEM
Not to mention the taste of something even better is tantalizing, thats just human nature
Trick is to find the right signature that you can enjoy music with without blowing through your paycheck
All in all,
None of you audiophiles should take up hard drugs LOL
post #18966 of 25590
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post

^ Ha! I'm gonna subscribe to your newsletter :-)

Btw, even nick is gonna have a hard time getting me hyped on cheapies - that's how serious my resistance and resolve is lol! Well, as long as the MT301 doesn't happen along...

^ You already has, you know which thread to hit up. hoho :evil:

 

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Oh but we are. The Pistons still sounds amazing though so one doesn't rule out the other wink.gif

i am sure the Pistons are great sounding regardless of their cheap price, but some mofos are hyping them up so much that they are literally talkin' outta' they arses instead of using their brains meng, and it makes for HILARIOUS reading material.

 

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

They're not. I have trouble saying they're 30-40% better.

Yeppp HYPE CHECKED!!! Dat grounded perspective. :cool:

 

Law of diminished returns is a BEYATCH!!!

 

Someones says it the best. haha ;)

 

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Originally Posted by nehcrow View Post

At least we have our heads on straifht sfwalcer
Good suggestion btw, if you want your iems to be 3 times better, blaze the dank wink.gif (note: I do not condone any drug use, save your money for new audio gear)

Or you can go the OTHER route, but you better have a liver of steel like this mofo.... haha

 

http://www.head-fi.org/u/158321/kova4a

 

"Alcohol consumption increases sound quality."

 

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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post
 

Okay...fine. If the GR02 GR07 is as good as y'all say they are, I will do all within my power to acquire them within the year. 

You meant the GR07 BEs??? If you can get them for like $100 and under used that is one hell of a steal, since they are on sale now for $130 - $140 new BUT there are so many interesting gears coming out that the gr07 is a bit dated cuz of their more old school 2D esque presentation. 

 

For $200 nowadays which was what the gr07 originally commanded, there are A LOT more better options out there these days, and the DUNU DN1Ks is a good example of that. The DN1Ks might not be 3X better than the gr07s but i am sure they are more "refined" overall.

 

It's an interesting/ fun time indeed for iem/ audio lovers that's for sure, so many options ranging from cheap, to expensive or even UBER expensive so you gotta' do your research and know what you REALLY want meng. It's like a curse and a blessing all at once. haha

 

/rant

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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post

 

"Alcohol consumption increases sound quality."

 

You meant the GR07 BEs??? If you can get them for like $100 and under used that is one hell of a steal, since they are on sale now for $130 - $140 new BUT there are so many interesting gears coming out that the gr07 is a bit dated cuz of their more old school 2D esque presentation. 

 

For $200 nowadays which was what the gr07 originally commanded, there are A LOT more better options out there these days, and the DUNU DN1Ks is a good example of that. The DN1Ks might not be 3X better than the gr07s but i am sure they are more "refined" overall.

 

It's an interesting/ fun time indeed for iem/ audio lovers that's for sure, so many options ranging from cheap, to expensive or even UBER expensive so you gotta' do your research and know what you REALLY want meng. It's like a curse and a blessing all at once. haha

 

/rant

LMAO on the 'alcohol consumption' thing. We should ask one of the guys from the Sound Science forum to prove this statement, but proven or not, I approve of this.

 

     Oh lol. I guess I forgot what I wrote there. I'm seeing the GR07 Mk2 at about $215 here. However, I'm seeing a sort of "bass edition" and a "classic edition" for half the price. It's getting confusing. But what you said on its "2D-esque presentation" tipped me off. I think I'll resolve to get the DN-1k instead. But what of my amp now?

 

     I guess like you said, audio is "like a curse and a blessing all at once." Those are really good words of wisdom, Masa' Walsa.

post #18968 of 25590
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post

^

i am sure the Pistons are great sounding regardless of their cheap price, but some mofos are hyping them up so much that they are literally talkin' outta' they arses instead of using their brains meng, and it makes for HILARIOUS reading material.

http://www.head-fi.org/u/158321/kova4a

"Alcohol consumption increases sound quality."

/rant

"When you're right you're right, and you you're always right!"

Barf - Spaceballs
Edited by peter123 - 1/13/14 at 11:36pm
post #18969 of 25590
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Originally Posted by nehcrow View Post


Well they deserve the praise, trust
Technically speaking, they are fantastic no real weaknesses other than depth of soundstage (but thats monitoring IEMs for ya)
They were an eye opener for sure, truly a taste of high end sound that may be addicting lol

^ Oh there are ALWAYS weaknesses, cuz THIS IS HEAD-FI!!! :deadhorse:

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

It's not just the GR07. It's that this new crop of sub $200 iems serve as a serious sanity check for people who own these uber iems. The difference in SQ is not nearly worth the price. It's like the hypercar market where you pay an extra $100k for that extra 0.3s off your 0-60 times.

ikr, that's my personal limit for cans and iems cuz i just can't justify paying THAT much due to my ****ty sources and the music i listen to. : P

 

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Originally Posted by vlenbo View Post
 

Just a heads up. 

 

This is a brief comparison of my three favorite iems.

 

The ath-im02 is my second favorite out of the three iems, it has resolving vocals with impactful drums and bass, while having a crispy and tender treble

 

.....

^ Great stuff meng, but dat part has me craving for some fried CHICKEN boi!!!

 

... yum dat treble sure looks tasty!!!

 

 

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Originally Posted by nehcrow View Post

Yeah exactly right eke
Chasing that last 10 - 20 percent of sound is an addicting adventure that will hit your wallet hard
Its just most audiophiles will find flaws in SQs and will spend lots of money trying to rectify those flaws without regards to money spent
Those flaws will be constantly nagging them and irriating them until the point of purchasing a new IEM

Not to mention the taste of something even better is tantalizing, thats just human nature
Trick is to find the right signature that you can enjoy music with without blowing through your paycheck
All in all,
None of you audiophiles should take up hard drugs LOL

Like i said X2, THIS IS HEAD-FI!!!

 

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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post
 

LMAO on the 'alcohol consumption' thing. We should ask one of the guys from the Sound Science forum to prove this statement, but proven or not, I approve of this.

 

     Oh lol. I guess I forgot what I wrote there. I'm seeing the GR07 Mk2 at about $215 here. However, I'm seeing a sort of "bass edition" and a "classic edition" for half the price. It's getting confusing. But what you said on its "2D-esque presentation" tipped me off. I think I'll resolve to get the DN-1k instead. But what of my amp now?

 

     I guess like you said, audio is "like a curse and a blessing all at once." Those are really good words of wisdom, Masa' Walsa.

LoL i am not worthy of dat Masa' title i am just lowly Alfred. Masa' WAYNE would have my head if i get all uppity. :tongue:

 

Yeah for some reason the VSonic gr07 is more expensive in China than what international resalers are selling them for. If you do go for the MKII, the newly released "Classic" edition for like $100 might sound the same but there still no solid answer on it yet. So the gr07 BE (Bass Edition) is more "worth" it if you do decide to get them since i am not sure if VSonic will make anymore of them due to it being discontinued just as the MKIIs are cuz the "Classic" version is replacing them both.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/699768/vsonic-gr07-classic-color-2014-edition-unboxing-and-first-impressions

 

But yeah it is best to do more research and know what type of sound signature goes best with the music you listen to the most, and that is why this Discovery Thread was such an invaluable resource for noobs like me cuz trying all those cheapo hyped gears taught me a great deal. I can only imagine more seasoned vets laughing at us cheapo peons with our hyped FOTM gears but it REALLY helped me to grasp what i am looking for. Plus it's crazy fun hopping on the hype train no doubt about that. haha


Edited by sfwalcer - 1/13/14 at 11:40pm
post #18970 of 25590
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Originally Posted by IEMagnet01 View Post

So from those who recently received their Piston 2.0, and have given them sufficient break in and tip change, would it be safe to go on record and say these are definitely contenders for living up to the hype???

HYPE ON! wink.gif
post #18971 of 25590
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 

^ Oh there are ALWAYS weaknesses, cuz THIS IS HEAD-FI!!! :deadhorse:

 

 

 

ikr, that's my personal limit for cans and iems cuz i just can't justify paying THAT much due to my ****ty sources and the music i listen to. : P

 

^ Great stuff meng, but dat part has me craving for some fried CHICKEN boi!!!

 

... yum dat treble sure looks tasty!!!

 

 

Like i said X2, THIS IS HEAD-FI!!!

 

LoL i am not worthy of dat Masa' title i am just lowly Alfred. Masa' WAYNE would have my head if i get all uppity. :tongue:

 

Yeah for some reason the VSonic gr07 is more expensive in China than what international resalers are selling them for. If you do go for the MKII, the newly released "Classic" edition for like $100 might sound the same but there still no solid answer on it yet. So the gr07 BE (Bass Edition) is more "worth" it if you do decide to get them since i am not sure if VSonic will make anymore of them due to it being discontinued just as the MKIIs are cuz the "Classic" version is replacing them both.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/699768/vsonic-gr07-classic-color-2014-edition-unboxing-and-first-impressions

 

But yeah it is best to do more research and know what type of sound signature goes best with the music you listen to the most, and that is why this Discovery Thread was such an invaluable resource for noobs like me cuz trying all those cheapo hyped gears taught me a great deal. I can only imagine more seasoned vets laughing at us cheapo peons with our hyped FOTM gears but it REALLY helped me to grasp what i am looking for. Plus it's crazy fun hopping on the hype train no doubt about that. haha

Before, we did follow the hype of the ckm77s, the cks77s, mostly audio technica stuff, then it evolved into other brands that we do not know of, like the monoprice, thermaltake, and the phillips. 

 

I still remember how people were pretty happy with the quality from the brands given on the thread, and the budget friendly iems in these branches, good thing DS kept all that history on the first page. Now here we are, knowing exactly what the old hyped budget iems did for us back then, and what the new unknown budget iems can do for us now. While it is great to find out that the pistons are awesome, I do not believe it'll be better than the kefs, but I know that it won't be that much worse than the kefs, and that is completely fine. I want massive bass with the smoothest mids and highs in one package, and they delivered, the pistons may have a simliar sound sig, but they are still somewhat different. That is why my brief comparison required people to do their research, as the most expensive iem (the ck10s) may not be that much better than say the im-02s, or the xba-h3s for example. If I had to put a budget iem that could compete with the m200s, I would put the bassos. However, the bassos are not better than the m200s, nor vice versa. 

 

I think they do deserve to be in the $300, but it'd be pretty nice if they were $250 in their msrp. Then the deflation would have been great to see them fall to $180 so we can pay $200 for shipping.


I wholeheartedly agree with everyone's inputs, and especially the last paragraph from yours sf. This is turning out to be a lively discussion from everyone, hope it stays healthy like it is!

 

Each iem has a unique sound, which is basically what us men and women are looking for our ears. Our ears require some love and affection, just like we do during relationships. Find that girl or guy that is one in a million, and go crazy! 

 

 

And LOL to that comment about my comparison, especially my quick description of the im-02s, lol. Though I just ate, I am still hungry and feel as though the post should not be reviewed just for that image you posted. That treble is definitely yummy, too bad the cost of getting those tenders is more than a dollar burger at macs! :( You need an additional 8 dollars for the tenders, and forcefully pay $171 dollars for the rest of the package of fries, ketchup (some sweet flavoury mids), and additional condiments (for some thickness and tight bass). Those look homemade, so I guess that restaurant/iem joke is dead now. Guess I'm not cut out to be a comedian. :o 


Edited by vlenbo - 1/14/14 at 12:16am
post #18972 of 25590
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post

 

... yum dat treble sure looks tasty!!!

 

LoL i am not worthy of dat Masa' title i am just lowly Alfred. Masa' WAYNE would have my head if i get all uppity. :tongue:

 

Yeah for some reason the VSonic gr07 is more expensive in China than what international resalers are selling them for. If you do go for the MKII, the newly released "Classic" edition for like $100 might sound the same but there still no solid answer on it yet. So the gr07 BE (Bass Edition) is more "worth" it if you do decide to get them since i am not sure if VSonic will make anymore of them due to it being discontinued just as the MKIIs are cuz the "Classic" version is replacing them both.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/699768/vsonic-gr07-classic-color-2014-edition-unboxing-and-first-impressions

 

But yeah it is best to do more research and know what type of sound signature goes best with the music you listen to the most, and that is why this Discovery Thread was such an invaluable resource for noobs like me cuz trying all those cheapo hyped gears taught me a great deal. I can only imagine more seasoned vets laughing at us cheapo peons with our hyped FOTM gears but it REALLY helped me to grasp what i am looking for. Plus it's crazy fun hopping on the hype train no doubt about that. haha

Mmm, fried chicken. Tasty schiit meng.

 

     I still think you're a Masa' tho. U r da Masa' Troll, and I think there ain't nobody that could take that title away from ya, meng. Kudos!

Right now, going for $200 IEMs are a far cry from what I'm looking for this year. If I were to get any earphone at all, it'd have to be either the Moxpads or the B3s. Then I'll get the BH2 if I have the chance. But hopefully, when I graduate from high school (still a couple of years), I'll try to get a job ASAP and work towards endgame: Fidelio X1 and BeoPlay H6, plus an iPod Classic. You're right though, research and experimentation is pretty much what the Discovery Thread is all about. 

 

I really related to your last paragraph there. I guess I'm pretty much like everyone else here on this thread. And I am loving the hype train. The Discovery Thread, in my opinion, requires one thing: you spending money month after month after month.

:beerchug: 


Edited by thatBeatsguy - 1/14/14 at 12:33am
post #18973 of 25590

The KEF M200 isn't as good as advertised. Not as this mighty goliath that slays all these IEM's in sound. They are VERY GOOD if not EXCELLENT IEM's with a thick, lush sound, which is mid focused, with a fair amount of bass presence, but with very relaxed highs, which to me is what brings it back down to the Piston, or MMDT, or the Gratitudes, and it's that the laid back treble gives it a thickness that just doesn't work for all genres, reduces instrument separation, and though it does have the ability to be detailed, it also can reduce it's soundstage. Add to that the fit issues for people and the clunkiness of the IEM itself? The KEF M200 is a solid if above average performer that can shake hands with the GR07, can look over it's shoulder at the Piston, but can't beat the Sennheiser IE80 or Trumpets/Coppers in performance and detail. 

post #18974 of 25590
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

It's not just the GR07. It's that this new crop of sub $200 iems serve as a serious sanity check for people who own these uber iems. The difference in SQ is not nearly worth the price. It's like the hypercar market where you pay an extra $100k for that extra 0.3s off your 0-60 times.

Duly noted. frown.gif
post #18975 of 25590

Unless you need the absolute, best at the time sound all the time, I also don't see much in spending above $200 for an IEM either. The diminishing returns is too great. Something will ALWAYS come along and dethrone it, and will do it cheaper.

 

Piston hype is warranted though. I really like them so far.

 

They need some EQ adjustment in the bass and midrange for refinement, but for $20 they kick a serious amount of ass. Enough so to use as a daily driver, because it works great with smartphones too, having controls and a mic.

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