[quartertone]

  ^ What's a jive???

 
http://youtu.be/fXSLcYQHqFQ

 

[kova4a]

   
Nah: '16 bits is enough to store all we can hear, and will be enough forever.' More here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/415361/24bit-vs-16bit-the-myth-exploded.

 
Nah is copyrighted, so I'll see you in court. Anyway, you're still missing the point. Even the guy who wrote the above tread agrees there is merit in using 24bit in the case of vinyl rips http://www.head-fi.org/t/415361/24bit-vs-16bit-the-myth-exploded/15#post_5534419. And as I said you're missing the point - the vinyl rips are better than the CDs not just because they are 24bit but because the vinyls are usually mastered better and don't have their dynamic range destroyed. And also there are vinyls that are mastered bad too like with something like Metallica's Death Magnetic, where it doesn't matter if you have 24/192 rip or mp3 version of that album.
 
 

 

[quartertone]

OK, so you concede it's other factors that make those recordings better anyway, and the 24-bit aspect is more or less irrelevant. And yeah, Death Magnetic is clippy as fark whatever audiophile format you might be using. Hard to believe it was recorded by professionals. 

 

[kova4a]

  OK, so you concede it's other factors that make those recordings better anyway, and the 24-bit aspect is more or less irrelevant. And yeah, Death Magnetic is clippy as fark whatever audiophile format you might be using. Hard to believe it was recorded by professionals. 

It's not that simple but yeah, the difference between 16 and 24 bit is small, so if people worry about space it won't be a big problem to convert it to 16bit. I find that 24bit vinyl tips still give me better dynamic range and partially I'm too lazy to start converting all of them. Hell, there are people who will argue with you that even playing 24bit audio and downsampling it with the DAC to 16bit will give you better dynamic range than just converting it to 16bit. Overall, there's a reason why most threads discussing this stuff are so long and people always argue - coz it's not as simple as "you can't hear that but I can" or "no one can hear that period", or "I can hear that coz my equipment is better", or people talking about dithering too much while in reality they obviously don't get what it does or when it should be used.
And yeah, thank God, for the Guitar Hero 3 version of Death Magnetic. 
 

 

[quartertone]

I think this sums it up: http://www.head-fi.org/t/415361/24bit-vs-16bit-the-myth-exploded/1335#post_9824958. Also, the 192 aspect seems even more ridiculous than the 24-bit one. 

 

[kova4a]

  I think this sums it up: http://www.head-fi.org/t/415361/24bit-vs-16bit-the-myth-exploded/1335#post_9824958. Also, the 192 aspect seems even more ridiculous than the 24-bit one. 

 
Nah, this is oversimplifying the whole matter. In the case of a lot of recordings and masters 24/192 is an overkill. Also a lot of 24bit stuff even on HDtracks has compressed dynamic range and sub-par quality due to that, so yeah, that's one case where "audiophile" consumers are targeted and tricked to believe they are paying more for better quality. Of course, that's not always the case - there are some great albums with exceptional quality, which I would definitely keep in hi-res format. 
But let's not turn this thread into a CD quality vs hi-res as this is not the place and I like arguing about stuff like that. Generally, I just say - if you're happy with 16/44.1 then stick to it and enjoy it instead of trying to make people who use hi-res audio convert their entite library just because you think there's no difference. It's like with everything else on head-fi - you can't tell me that certain headphones are better than other just because you think so. It always boils down to personal preference. It's not like anyone is using your hard drive to store his 24/192 files.

 

[kova4a]

Btw, I just saw this http://www.fiio.com.cn/cn/news/index.aspx . So Fiio is actually doing this - turning the X3 into an 24/192 asynchronous USB DAC. I might wait a bit longer to see how ibasso's updates turn out but I'm more and more leaning towards getting X3 now instead of just waiting for X5.

 

[doctorjazz]

It's hard to separate out the different factors sampling rate, compression, mastering. I have a good vinyl rig, have played vinyl tracks, then the same cd track for people (on a good cd player), they are usually surprised at how much better the vinyl is than the cd. Could there have been a bad transfer? Better source on the LP? Sure, hard to tease things apart. Vinyl, being analog, has no (or infinite) sampling, many believe the cd sampling standard was jumped into before too much was known about digital distortions (if you were around when cd was introduced, the advertising/professional consensus was that it was "perfect sound forever", with a few audiophiles listening and shaking their heads.
 
On a different note-guess no one else likes Valley Lodge...oh well, I was into Springsteen and others when they were opening acts...

 

[doctorjazz]

  I go MIA for a day or so and come back to see.... this. Whatever the heck "this" is. How's everyone doing?

 
missing 8 hours can be hazardous here...like leaving a movie, then coming back a half hour later, and you are pretty lost.

 

[d marc0]

  OK, so you concede it's other factors that make those recordings better anyway, and the 24-bit aspect is more or less irrelevant. And yeah, Death Magnetic is clippy as fark whatever audiophile format you might be using. Hard to believe it was recorded by professionals.

 
 
I have the PS3 Guitar Hero - Rip Version and remastered by Moderus. Apparently the Guitar Hero tracks weren't included in the final mix/master for the retail versions.They sound heaps better than my original Death Magnetic CD.

 

[kova4a]

   
 
I have the PS3 Guitar Hero - Rip Version and remastered by Moderus. Apparently the Guitar Hero tracks weren't included in the final mix/master for the retail versions.They sound heaps better than my original Death Magnetic CD.

 
I personally don't like Moderus' remaster even though it's better than the original CD. It's still too loud and vocals sound weird. I'm always rocking the 24/96 MarckIII remaster, which is the best version of Death Magnetic you can get IMO

 

[d marc0]

   
I personally don't like Moderus' remaster even though it's better than the original CD. It's still too loud and vocals sound weird. I'm always rocking the 24/96 MarckIII remaster, which is the best version of Death Magnetic you can get IMO

 
I'll check that out... thanks for the tip.

 

[kova4a]

   
I'll check that out... thanks for the tip.

 
No problem. Just the Moderus remaster is a bit too clipped too and he tried to boost the vocal clarity or something but the vocals ended up sounding slightly artificial and congested

 

[Carlsan]

Can we chat about earphones again... 

 

[kova4a]

  Can we chat about earphones again... 

 
Nah, we can't. 

Btw, I see that those vsonic earbuds Glenair A1 that are coming out seem to be a huge hit since they've sold close to 4000 of them during just the preorder period in China. Hopefully LMUE will pick them soon for sale as vsonic;s ceo seems to be quite proud of their price to performance ratio. Although I see the price in China has raised from ~$5 to around 7 bucks, so the bang for buck will be less LOL