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Be is not available widely as its a scarce resource. There is only once company which can make Be foils and they are found in speakers which are more than $3000. Also most expensive speakers which claim to have Be speakers the Be content is less than 0.6%.

 

 

psychoacoustic Be placebo is a topic of research of the person who has written "The Whole Truth About Beryllium Diaphragms."
Because any beryllium synthesized in stars is short-lived, it is a relatively rare element in both the universe and in the crust of the Earth.


Edited by MuZo2 - 1/23/14 at 1:14am
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I was really looking forward to receiving my Piston 2.0s, but can't help being disappointed at the massively flabby and overblown bass on them.  Is it just me or does anyone else find the bass to be that overblown and unfocussed as to wreck to lower midrange too?  I find them rolled off in the treble too, so I'm left with a tubby sound that is totally unrealistic.  I am still using the stock tips (medium), so will experiment with some others.  I've also given them around 15 hours burn in, which doesn't seem to have changed anything.  Records without bass and any great upper register information sound good, but I'm struggling to enjoy these with anything else.  It's a shame, as I can sense there is good speed and soundstage there, just buried underneath that overpoweringly muddy bass.

 

I'll chime back after tip rolling.

 

The superlux HD381F murder these in every way for the same price (for my ears).  They are extended at both ends, yet balanced, open, detailed and engaging with everything I throw at them.

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Originally Posted by amigomatt View Post
 

I was really looking forward to receiving my Piston 2.0s, but can't help being disappointed at the massively flabby and overblown bass on them.  Is it just me or does anyone else find the bass to be that overblown and unfocussed as to wreck to lower midrange too?  I find them rolled off in the treble too, so I'm left with a tubby sound that is totally unrealistic.  I am still using the stock tips (medium), so will experiment with some others.  I've also given them around 15 hours burn in, which doesn't seem to have changed anything.  Records without bass and any great upper register information sound good, but I'm struggling to enjoy these with anything else.  It's a shame, as I can sense there is good speed and soundstage there, just buried underneath that overpoweringly muddy bass.

 

I'll chime back after tip rolling.

 

The superlux HD381F murder these in every way for the same price (for my ears).  They are extended at both ends, yet balanced, open, detailed and engaging with everything I throw at them.

the bass tightens up with burn in. Remeber these are Beryllium Alloy drivers, and you must have bass boost going on, because these have solid articulate bass, that can be punchy, but in NO WAY are they basshead IEMs. I know eric says they can be, but not in the truest sense of being bass head IEMs. The bass simply isn't forward enough, nor does it dig deep enough into sub bass, even boosted. Now my Sennheiser CX150 and NuForce 770X can be called bass head IEMs. Either you're using wonky tips, or you still haven't given them enough burn in, because the bass does not remain flabby, nor is it as prominent as you claim it is. 

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Originally Posted by MuZo2 View Post
 

Be is not available widely as its a scarce resource. There is only once company which can make Be foils and they are found in speakers which are more than $3000. Also most expensive speakers which claim to have Be speakers the Be content is less than 0.6%.

 

 

psychoacoustic Be placebo is a topic of research of the person who has written "The Whole Truth About Beryllium Diaphragms."
Because any beryllium synthesized in stars is short-lived, it is a relatively rare element in both the universe and in the crust of the Earth.

here's the equal to that. Yes those speakers might be sold for that much, but those are cabinet sized speakers. With GIANT diaphragms. The Piston are miniscule compared. Plus...I see the AKG 3003 still being sold for $1,200. The Sony H3, DUNU DN-1000, and Astrotec AX-60 all have essentially the exact same technology and # of drivers...for hundreds and hundreds of dollars LESS. So this is a  reason why there's a disparity between the price of the Piston and a cabinet speaker made with Beryllium alloy.  

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I'd like to try the Pistons. It's just hard to find someone who sells then in the States. I like that super science stuff going on with the special driver. I'm a big fan of JVC too. I used to have the Monster Turbines, which i think are the best earphones ever made. The bass was so sweet and thumpin, and the highs so clear and clean. They spit details. They broke on me though, and my sister gave me crappy Deltas. I hated the tinny sound on those. No bass either. I'm thinking of getting those JVC ha3x until I can afford the Turbines again. anybody have those JVC? Are they really good for industrial, metal, and alternative rap music?

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Originally Posted by KillboyPowerhed View Post
 

I'd like to try the Pistons. It's just hard to find someone who sells then in the States. I like that super science stuff going on with the special driver. I'm a big fan of JVC too. I used to have the Monster Turbines, which i think are the best earphones ever made. The bass was so sweet and thumpin, and the highs so clear and clean. They spit details. They broke on me though, and my sister gave me crappy Deltas. I hated the tinny sound on those. No bass either. I'm thinking of getting those JVC ha3x until I can afford the Turbines again. anybody have those JVC? Are they really good for industrial, metal, and alternative rap music?

the piston are worthy of any hype you read. They are better than the Turbines IMHO. I think you should stick with the JVC though, because the Piston are not bass head level IEMs. 

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+1 about the Brainwavz Delta. I wasted $20.00 on those underachievers. Unruly bass and a soundstage more claustrophobic than a 5 year old locked in a dark basement. The Piston are 10X the value at the exact same price. 

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Just read your post.  So how would you rank them from #1 to #3?

I would put the Gratitude's slightly ahead of the Piston's. The Piston's have better cable and mich though so I use them when I'm out and about. The B3's are so different in soundsignature that I think it's difficult to put one as "better" than the other, it really comes down to what you prefer. What I can say though is that the B3's have replaced the VSD1's as my fall to sleep iem's.

 

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i have the SHE3580, and though they are definitely a great budget IEM, they are nowhere near the capabilities of the Piston. Either you need to keep burning them in with confidence, or you got fakes? I believe yours are real, but you need more burn in time

+1

 

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mochill has all the latest and greatest IEM's, and he burns through them very fast. Sometimes frying them. 

Mochill has given burn in a whole new meaning :D 


Edited by peter123 - 1/23/14 at 3:33am
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I've only auditioned the Gratitudes for a short time. My friend who works at Staples got them, and I really liked them, but they had less bass than the Trumpets. I've bid a few times in the Grats, but I always get outbid. Are the Grats that good? I know the Piston doesn't beat my Trumpets. I see quite a few of you have the Grats. I might have to break down one of these days?

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The Pistons better than the Turbines? I'm not believing that. I read somewhere the Turbines are as good as the Trumpets and the Coppers. Thanks for reminding me about the Gratitudes. I might look for a used pair on ebay. The Pistons are just too hard to get, and if they don't have good bass, I'm out. 

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Originally Posted by KillboyPowerhed View Post
 

The Pistons better than the Turbines? I'm not believing that. I read somewhere the Turbines are as good as the Trumpets and the Coppers. Thanks for reminding me about the Gratitudes. I might look for a used pair on ebay. The Pistons are just too hard to get, and if they don't have good bass, I'm out. 

It's been years since I heard the Monster Turbines, so I could be wrong, but from i remember, they were very bass heavy with rolled off highs. The treble on the Piston is razor sharp, clear, and with amazing timbre and decay. Those Grats are definitely interesting. 

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Originally Posted by KillboyPowerhed View Post
 

The Pistons better than the Turbines? I'm not believing that. I read somewhere the Turbines are as good as the Trumpets and the Coppers. Thanks for reminding me about the Gratitudes. I might look for a used pair on ebay. The Pistons are just too hard to get, and if they don't have good bass, I'm out. 

The Piston's have more bass then the Gratitude's. The Piston's are by no means basslight, it's just very well controlled.

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http://www.accessoryjack.com/audio-technica-ath-im70-dual-symphonic-in-ear-monitor-headphones-red.html

 

at this price, I may not be able to stay away????

 

AT-IM70


thanks for the link :) I think I know what I'm getting as soon as my credit card is working again :D

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