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post #18841 of 26063

lol, i shopped a phone from xiaomiworld, but they delaied to ship .  And they send me a Christmas gift : a original xiaomi earphones

 

it works perfection , i would love it . It is good using when i go outside runing . this is a promotion pic from them :

 

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Originally Posted by quartertone View Post
 

Just because it's cheaper, that doesn't make it a better deal. After buying the E11 and trying it out for a month, I concluded that it wasn't really an upgrade over having no amp at all. Not so with the BH, and the difference between $100 isn't that massive.

 

That's a bit of a simplification.


I actually found E11 to degrade the SQ compared to a headphone out, so I can't disagree there.  :pI sat there A/Bing for many a time comparing the headphone out and amp, to me the DAP's headphone out always sounded clearer over E11.

Others seem to love it though and will disagree with me.

*waits for Kova to turn up*

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That's a bit of a simplification.

That's the point though right?
Lowest common denominator, that's really what an amp should be, in theory and ideally.

The complexity of making that happen on the other hand is apparently pretty overwhelming, which you see if you take a look at even a small amp circuit board. To do less, you almost need more. That's what appears to be happening.

What I think many amp makers are getting into is creating a target sound, which should really be done at the DAC level. Either because they can't create a true wire with gain or because given the seemingly limited options on the DAC end, it has almost been forced upon them by the market. That's why we're here talking about synergy and whatnots.

Altering a signal at the amp level, imo, is the same as double amping. You're changing something at the second level, ie something that has already been changed. This is less than ideal.

This is assuming digital to analog.
post #18844 of 26063

I don't think so , 1month ago .I ordered  a phone from xiaomiworld ,but they delaied to ship . 2 Weeks later , they sent a Christmas to you , i m so surprise . And ,the also they apologize to me , then present a xiaomi original earphone, it works perfectly . In fact, i will use it everytime , when i went to ourside running.

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I actually found E11 to degrade the SQ compared to a headphone out, so I can't disagree there.  tongue.gif I sat there A/Bing for many a time comparing the headphone out and amp, to me the DAP's headphone out always sounded clearer over E11.


Others seem to love it though and will disagree with me.


*waits for Kova to turn up*

The original poster asking for advice wasn't talking about using the amp with a DAP like the X3. Using the E11 with the X3 makes the DAP sound like crap. It does degrade the sound. Using the E11 with an iPod, a Sansa, or another DAP or MP3 player without a built in amp, does improve the sound quality, adds bass when you want that bass boost, or gain when you want that too. At &50.00, it's a great value amp, and serves it's purpose well.
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The original poster asking for advice wasn't talking about using the amp with a DAP like the X3. Using the E11 with the X3 makes the DAP sound like crap. It does degrade the sound. Using the E11 with an iPod, a Sansa, or another DAP or MP3 player without a built in amp, does improve the sound quality, adds bass when you want that bass boost, or gain when you want that too. At &50.00, it's a great value amp, and serves it's purpose well.

If you have a headphone-out, there is an amp inside.
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Originally Posted by IEMagnet01 View Post


The original poster asking for advice wasn't talking about using the amp with a DAP like the X3. Using the E11 with the X3 makes the DAP sound like crap. It does degrade the sound. Using the E11 with an iPod, a Sansa, or another DAP or MP3 player without a built in amp, does improve the sound quality, adds bass when you want that bass boost, or gain when you want that too. At &50.00, it's a great value amp, and serves it's purpose well.


I'm sorry I don't hear things that way. I do wonder what other amps you've tried to come to such a conclusion. When I first joined I purchased an E11, at first I thought it was great, the bass, the added power only after a while when I settled in comparing  I realized there's more to sound quality than a bass boost, I started to become interested in detail and clarity. As seen on my profile DAPs such as ones you mentioned Cowon, Sansa, IPod, you'll notice the headphone out always sounds clearer and E11 veils the signal path, (especially the mid range) you're actually losing clarity and detail, the added bass using the EQ's is bleeding into the mid range. 

You can test this yourself and come to a conclusion, either way I am not forceful of my opinion, some hear it others don't, I've heard quite a few amps now to form a point of reference (again check my profile) Like Tralucent T1, JDS C5, Rhapsodios Shozzy amps, UHA760. E11 is not very good but fun to play with on a budget.

And with that said I'm with quatertones opinion C&C BH is better but idealy JDS C5 is better again to my ears.

I think if you heard some other amps to gain a point of reference you may understand, as a year or two ago when all I heard was E11 or E5 back then I would of said the same thing. Experience and hands on goes a long way.

Like this three amps I have on hand right now. JDS C5, C421 and UHA760.


Edited by H20Fidelity - 1/13/14 at 6:16am
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Ok now I have to edit a characteristic of the Piston I just observed from more source experimentation. ThatBeatsGuy tipped me off with a comment he made earlier. The Piston DONT SYNERGIZE well with AMPS. Listening to the Piston through the Sansa Fuze without the amp, they sound vibrant, clear, and controlled, as opposed to grainy and bass flabby when amped. So unamped with the Sansa, Sony, and iPod, they really sing. Just such a balanced and dynamic sound. So engaging and forward. The X3 has a built in amp, so they suffer while going through the X3. The OM Audio, UE 700, and Trumpets don't have such issues with the X3. They love it and the X3 loves them. Just a little something for those of you with Piston 2.0 and amps.

 

I've been listening to mine through the E12 + Zune 120, and I find the synergy quite awesome. On that note, I tested the Pistons in a loud environment where I needed the volume up quite a bit more. Unlike other $20 IEMs I've used, these Pistons can handle louder volumes with nearly no harshness at all. So many good things about this IEM!


Edited by 1ofamillion - 1/13/14 at 6:25am
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I know this is the discovery thread, but I was wondering if anyone could help out regarding my equipment (I trust the opinion of a lot of people in here). Now I currently use a Xonar DG on my PC to listen to music and whatnot but I want something better. I was looking at the Xonar STX but found that it wouldn't give good results with lower impedance gear with it having a high output impedance so I was just wondering if there was any recommendations for a small amp/DAC that can power say 16-32Ω IEMs as well as ~250Ω headphones? Now I know I'm using it on my desktop PC but I'd prefer something with a smaller footprint. 

 

I can go up to about £150 GBP, maybe a little more if something's really worth the extra. Any ideas?

Any ideas guys?

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Originally Posted by Mackem View Post
 

I know this is the discovery thread, but I was wondering if anyone could help out regarding my equipment (I trust the opinion of a lot of people in here). Now I currently use a Xonar DG on my PC to listen to music and whatnot but I want something better. I was looking at the Xonar STX but found that it wouldn't give good results with lower impedance gear with it having a high output impedance so I was just wondering if there was any recommendations for a small amp/DAC that can power say 16-32Ω IEMs as well as ~250Ω headphones? Now I know I'm using it on my desktop PC but I'd prefer something with a smaller footprint. 

 

I can go up to about £150 GBP, maybe a little more if something's really worth the extra. Any ideas?

Any ideas guys?


Perhaps a FiiO X3 would suffice?


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Any ideas guys?

It's not out yet but the Light Harmonic Geek has been getting a lot of good praise from audio show impressions and should fall into that range, and is pretty small.

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It's not out yet but the Light Harmonic Geek has been getting a lot of good praise from audio show impressions and should fall into that range, and is pretty small.
Lol

Yeah I was looking at the Geek. 

 

Also decided against getting the DN-1000s for now until the Pistons turn up. I love the reviews of the sound of the DN1K but I think the weight would be a bit of an issue for me unfortunately.

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Any ideas guys?

looks like you are looking for just HP amp? I would say fiio E12. But also E17 since it has wolfson dac.........both are budget kings but powerful. E18 another DAC/AMP combo for mobile as well.
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*waits for Kova to turn up*

LOL Yeah, you know it. Btw, I auditioned the C5 and it is pretty good for the price but I expected it to be a bit more neutral. 

As far as the BH, I'm still using it and as it pairs well with the s500 I have more than 4000 hours with both either from the C3 or the Hifimediy Sabre DAC, so I have probably spent more time with the BH than most of the people praising it combined. With that said I still find it lacking in the low end and it makes pretty much everything sound softer on the impact and a bit hollow in that department even on high gain. And I still consider its bass boost pretty useless adding a bit of rumble but not improving the impact, thickness and control aside from also adding air on top. Yeah, it can sound pretty good but it's not the most versatile amp unless you're using it with bass heavy iems or headphones.

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