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Well..As much as I blasted them drivers. I can't get over how wonky the sound is on the HA-S660. I think it is actually worse than the HA-S600. Which is very surprising to me. I don't know who can design this and listen to it thinking it has a good sound quality.. Don't know if it was just me but I can swear the bass got stronger with an overnight burn in. It is too boosted for having smaller closed in cups.

 

I don't mind big bass but I do when that is what your hearing on even bass light tunes.. Lol. The mids are easily overtaken. What mids there are. The sound is just terrible. With the Panas coming my way I am gonna call this one a loss and see if I can get a RMA. It is too bad as they they actually are built and look nicer than the older HA-S600.

 

Sound wise. These come dangerously close to the worst JVC headphones I have ever owned. The HA-S700. As dark as the HA-S660 sounds. Going off of memory at least the HA-S660 has treble. The HA-S700 had none to speak of.. The darkest dankiest sound I have ever heard..

 

At least we mostly get good stuff here on the discovery thread. Mostly. Lol.

 

Well, at least it's not just me. :blink: I don't know what JVC was thinking with these. I DO like a strong bass... loved the S500, like the HDJ-1500, but the S660 is all out of whack.

post #16067 of 26350

Hey guys, has anyone tried the JVC esnsy line? Specifically the HA-SR75S? I'm interested to know how they sound

 

http://cdn.jvc.eu/esnsy/ha-sr75s.html

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VSD1 Limited Editions happy reading ya'll. :ksc75smile:


These VSD1 LEs are indeed tricky, so why did I point to the Nutman's review of the Cardas??? This was the response he posted when I asked him to compare the similarities and capabilities of the JVC FXZ200s to the Cardas:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/586909/the-discovery-thread-monster-gratitudes-kef-m200-pg835-philips-fidelio-s2-pg-724/15930#post_9927344

 

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The problem with the FXZs is they have a sound cap to their sound stage even though those have a big sound too and while amping helps in this regard.. The cardas on the other hand don't sound like they have a sound cap. The stage is immense for earphones. Probably one of the biggest and largest scale of sound I have ever heard in any earphones. The Mids of the Cardas takes time for them to sound like the pair I have.. While there is sweetness to the ES700s mids. The mids of the Cardas is more dimensional and warm and fuller in presentation. Now that I think about it. That right there makes the Cardas stand out to me more than anything on the sound presentation.. It is like a highly evolved FXZ in sound..

 

It is a lot of scratch to throw out for a unique set of in ears.. I think the Cardas are more for guys that add to their collections of fine in ears more than anything.

 

His comparison made me realize that when compared to the regular VSD1, maybe even the GR07 BEs these LEs don't seem to have a cap to their sound as well. What I mean by this is that these VSD1 LEs, possibly due to their higher impedance and different tuning is able to scale much more beautifully with better sources. So what is the big dealios since I had previously stated that these VSD1 LEs without a Jazz preset EQ (which boosted the bass and treble regions) sounded boring as hell due to their "polite" treble and "rounder" bass??? Burn-in my friend, burn-in.

 

My VSD1 LEs has been on continuous burn-in with fast bass heavy tracks on high volumes since they arrived. During the 1st couple of days there were no changes and I have documented this in the VSD1 Thread, but last night there was a break through. What I heard last night was EXACTLY what I had desired these VSD1 LEs to be ever since my initial listen.

 

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Hmmm....... these VSD1 LEs are a bit tricky.

 

From my initial listen on my 5th gen ipod classic what stood out was the bigger/ fuller/ bolder sound. More out of head experience if you will. There was also more emphasis on the bass end as well, though it's of the "rounder", not tighter/ deeper variant. So I was like nice there seems to be some added clarity and that nothing feels lacking although the bass end needs to tighten up in order to sound more right that's for sure.

 

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 I was hoping these VSD1 LEs would sound vastly different from all of VSonic's previous offers as it was supposedly tuned by the father of the CEO to sound like their up coming VSD7s, but sadly this is not what i am hearing from my initial listening sessions. I am not really digging the less extended polite treble as well as the rounder/ softer bass texture tuning, but the overall fuller, more out of the head sound is a nice addition since it makes it sound a bit more 3D.

 

Yes these VSD1 LEs no doubt have VSonic's classic house sound/ tuning (great depth, texture and lushness in the lows and mids with fantastic extension/sparkle to their treble), nonetheless they also sound vastly different in presentation when compared to the regular VSD1 and GR07 BEs as well. This is why they are tricky, cuz initially there was very little texture or extension to their sound.

 

Let me illustrate how these VSD1 LEs sounded like during my initial listen.

... there are lots of good qualities esp. the big/bold/full out of your head sound with very lush mids, but the overly laid back treble and bass makes for a very disengaged presentation. This dull sound makes the listener lose all interest in the audio spectacle cuz it's trying to avoid the matter at hand, which is to entertain.

 

This is the VSD1 LEs after a good amount of intense high volume bass heavy burn-in.

... the lackluster "round" bass has gained more weight/ texture and punch as well as speed, which has given these VSD1 LEs a second wind it desperately needed to do battle. Clarity and headroom has also improved hence the increased depth, layering and 3Dness gives these VSD1 LEs the focus needed to go in for the final blow. All of these nuanced improvements combined with the slightly increased extension in the treble makes these VSD1 LEs a deadly heavy weight sonic champion. 

 

Did he just say Sonic Champion???:rolleyes: Oh yes I did. :eek: I affectionately coined the signature of these VSD1 LEs as having an "old man sound" initially cuz of the disappointing treble and lackluster bass and since the old man of VSonic's CEO had supposedly tuned them to sound like their upcoming VSD7s it was pretty fitting; old man tuning for an old sound, am I right??? DEAD WRONG!!! As the result of burning these in that "boring old man sound" has turned into a big ol' mean beast that is WIDE awake!!! O.O The old man seems to be a deadly sleeper, once awaken WATCH OUT!!! :triportsad:

 

 

Here's my reasoning behind this revelation extrapolated from what I have stated before:

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4th listen today and sound doesn't seem to have change much despite the continuous burn-in BUT their "neutral" less extended/ more outta' the head soundstage make these VSD1 LEs AMAZING sounding with metal music. Was listening to the same Chinese metal band yesterday on my Nokia N9 with my VDS1 Classics and it was a little bit bright/ harsh due to the very well extended treble. The spacing and the head room wasn't as big/good enough it seems so faster/ more intricate passages/ percussion sounded more congested and fatiguing.

 

Listening to the same album with the VSD1 LEs on the other hand sounded much more spacious, with little to no less congestion and fatigue as the result of the tamer treble, which makes the yelling and screaming much more listenable/ enjoyable. Also i also noticed that the dac/amp of my Nokia N9 has more emphasis on the bass end as well as treble, along with a big soundstage and it works wonderfully with less colored more neutral iems/ cans. So i would imagine sources that has a more colored sound such as the new Fiio X3s would sound pretty damn good with these VSD1 LEs as well.

 

One last thing, you know what the bass end/ sound signature/ technical capabilities of these VSD1 LEs really reminded me of and is very similar, the new Apple earpods. DEAD SERIOUS!!! :ph34r: 

 

Are these VSD1 LEs "neutral" as I have stated before??? NOPE!!! They sounded more "neutral" cuz of the lack of depth in their lows and extension to their treble when compared to VSonic's previous offerings specifically the regular VSD1 and GR07 BEs. But after burn-in the bass end has come out to play in spades, so due to the improved bass quality (more weight, texture, more punch, faster attack) these VSD1 LEs no longer sound "neutral". So my initial "rounder" bass observation of the lows is almost non existent now. Not only that, but the bass almost has this speaker-like quality to them that rumbles which I have yet to detect in my regular VSD1 or the GR07 BEs. These VSD1 LEs are "bassy" sounding for sure, but the bass doesn't bleed nor interfere with the rest of the sonic spectrum, hence the quality of the bass provides a solid foundation for the rest of the sound to build upon. 

 

Along with the solid bass, the big headroom/ staging of these VSD1 LEs effortlessly and effectively envelops the lush forward mids so combined with the polite treble gives it very full/bold and spacious sound that is very well layered yet never harsh/bright/sibilant nor fatiguing even when listening at really loud volumes. A common gripe with the GR07s is that they are not the most 3D in presentation, this is probably due to their more neutral and "flat" sound. These VSD1 LEs however seem to have addressed this exact criticism.  The lack of 3Dness in the older VSonic lineup no longer rings true for these VSD1 LEs due to this new tuning.

 

So do these VSD1 LEs still remind of the Apple earpods as I have stated before??? Yes and no, yes in that prior to burn-in they share a very similar sonic presentation (big soundstage, with a pretty bold/full sound and kinda boxy/ roundish sounding bass). I am happy to say now that after a good amount of burn-in the answer is a resounding NO, cuz these VSD1 LEs has left the earpods in the dust on ALL accounts..... maybe even the regular VSD1 or even the GR07 BEs???:ph34r:

 

TO BE CONTINUED..... kova style

 

 

^ Oh also these VSD1 LEs are MUCH more forgiving and less revealing on utterly schiityly recorded/ mastered low bit-rate junk tracks. It's more true for probably the former cuz it makes the overall listening experience more enjoyable due to less fatigue if you have A LOT of crappy mastered bright pop music. haha

 

So would i say these VSD1 LE are more "refined" out of all the VSD1 variants??? Nope not by a long shot, but with their more "polite/ old man" tuning you can listen to these all day without ear bleed. The VSD1 Classics are more engaging with its better extension but is less smooth/ forgiving. They all serve their purpose i guess, old man tuning is still old man sound. :basshead:

 

In summation, not only is the presentation of these VSD1 LEs MUCH more 3D when compared to the regular VSD1 or even the GR07 BEs, it also has a bigger and more spacious out of your head sound and instrument layering. For me these VSD1 LEs has already best the regular VSD1 due to the changes stated above, so combined with their scalability (better sound as the result of quality sources) along with their malleability (responds very well to simple EQ) makes these VSD1 LEs extremely versatile and refined as well. The very transparent and revealing nature of these VSD1 LE, yet is never fatiguing/picky/ nor peaky has sealed the deal for me cuz poorly recorded pop music has never sounded so good. :L3000:

 

Scalability/ malleability baby is what these VSD1 LEs be!!!


Edited by sfwalcer - 11/1/13 at 4:01pm
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Holy smokes! A whole page without geek or gratitude being hyped.

 

I don't know how you managed to do it, but please keep on:D

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So Sf, I sense that you're liking your LE's just a bit now lol! Good stuff, and good hyping! It will be interesting to see if kova4a feels the same way once he gets his beauty rest :-)
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So Sf, I sense that you're liking your LE's just a bit now lol! Good stuff, and good hyping! It will be interesting to see if kova4a feels the same way once he gets his beauty rest :-)


Welp i could kinda sense his disappointment from his initial impressions as well. But yeah he would probably be shocked to hear them change just as i did with more burn-in. The gr07 BEs that i had for audition changed up on me as well due to burn-in cuz atomikn00bs set was almost brand new with very little hours on them.

 

I am just glad my faith in VSonic is restored and they ain't just talking smack. haha But they sure seem to talk A LOT of it though, and that's why i kinda dig their style i guess. : P

 

They seem to be able to back up their talk with real gems so, they can talk as much as they want. Just gimme TOTL sound for cheap. LoL

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But!!!..... some new hybrid goodness should be in any day now. 

 

The new Maxell?

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But!!!..... some new hybrid goodness should be in any day now. I really don't have room for another headphone (the X1 and M500 are still blowing my mind, and the Onkyo and Ws99 get some listening too). 

The new MXH-DBA900. Out with it you...........:popcorn:

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talking about new(ish) maxell iems. haven't encountered these on the forum yet:

 

 

 

 

People here who love iems with acoustic chambers should check this one out (I'm talking about you Dsnuts :D ). seems really intriguing....

post #16075 of 26350

Scored really big yesterday! Got some incredibly great deals!
Lots of new stuff coming in. Unfortunately they are not really discoveries as they are all well-known headphones/gear (HE-500, Mad Dog 3.2, Schiit Magni/Modi)
I guess I can let you know if you guys know if it's worth spending so much money on high end headphones (Previous owner of Fidelio X1, AD900x here)


Also, you guys have basically convinced me to get a Monster Gratitude now haha


Edited by nehcrow - 10/31/13 at 5:28am
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Great discovery Sf!

 

Is it safe to say that the VSD1 LE is better than the RE400?

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http://soundcheck.wnyc.org/story/gig-alert-eugene-chadbourne-bryan-haggards/

Heard this today... These guys are doing avant-garde country/free jazz, a very unexplored niche (some of you will say for good reason)... I think it's fun! Have some CD's by Eugene, they're wild!

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VSD1 LE stuff

 

Well, you know, that sounds pretty good but I think I'm going to hold out for the VSD1 Turbo Pro II Alpha Flagship Silver Luxury Upgrade Edition. :smile_phones:

 

Seriously though, Vsonic's overwhelming need to retune and re-release IEMs is bordering on ridiculous.

 

PS: Feel free to add some more adjectives to the above list, I figure Vsonic will get there eventually.

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Well, you know, that sounds pretty good but I think I'm going to hold out for the VSD1 Turbo Pro II Alpha Flagship Silver Luxury Upgrade Edition. :smile_phones:

 

Seriously though, Vsonic's overwhelming need to retune and re-release IEMs is bordering on ridiculous.

 

PS: Feel free to add some more adjectives to the above list, I figure Vsonic will get there eventually.

Nah, it's strange but that's actually the first time that Vsonic actually had planned that all along. Both the VSD1 and VSD1S where announced together and the entire time they had in mind of releasing two different versions just weeks apart from each other. As far as the Limited edition - it's not something they just decided to make later on - it was announced back in July but just got delayed.  It seems that they were just working on the tuning of their new line-up next year and decided to release a different version for the real vsonic fans supposedly to give them a taste of the VSD7's tuning - that's why during the pre-order period only people who had previously bought vsonic iems could make an order. 

It's true though that they seem to be trying to make way too many products like many of more consumer-oriented companies. I don't mind it though. People always comment on their ridiculous naming of the products but when you think about it all companies do that. Vsonic is still not even close to philips that has like a gazillion 35xx versions and others or how many xba versions has sony made in less than 2 years?

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Great discovery Sf!

 

Is it safe to say that the VSD1 LE is better than the RE400?

^ Your guess is as good as mine cuz never heard them Chinaman HEs, but from what i have read the RE400s doesn't nearly sound as exciting as these VSD1 LEs.

 

Ya'll are well aware that my taste borders basshead levels, and these VSD1 LEs does it for me just like the KEF M200s. :)

 

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Well, you know, that sounds pretty good but I think I'm going to hold out for the VSD1 Turbo Pro II Alpha Flagship Silver Luxury Upgrade Edition. :smile_phones:

 

Seriously though, Vsonic's overwhelming need to retune and re-release IEMs is bordering on ridiculous.

 

PS: Feel free to add some more adjectives to the above list, I figure Vsonic will get there eventually.

Welp at least they aren't ashamed to correct their "mistakes". Speaking of mistakes i gots some serious edits to do according to that Cat Crack Freak. :triportsad: So sorry about the repetitiveness etc, etc of the write-up.

 

On another note, these VSD1 Limited Editions was supposedly tuned by VSonic's head honcho ( the father of the CEO ) for supporters to get a taste of their upcoming VSD7s which will retail for $200. So the $50 i paid for these LEs seems like a steal if that is truly the case, and the sound i am getting from these is indeed a steal. :ph34r: 


Edited by sfwalcer - 10/31/13 at 11:46am
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