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post #871 of 32903

We agree and would be expected, prices are also quite different.

However, for some of us that have the Isurus and not have the IEM you are comparing, would like to hear to some appointment in comparisons  in the face your purchase it,  if you already have an Isurus, would make big difference...and makes a wow.

If you bought a TF10 before the Isurus would you make a great wowor would have to take a greater leap in chose of iem?

 

thx


Edited by pack21 - 1/21/12 at 11:53am
post #872 of 32903
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Okay fellas, when I stated that the Isurus sounds similar to the TF10 I was not in anyway trying to say that the Isurus is just as good as the UE (and definitely saying it's better). I was just giving a reference point to its sound. I agree, the TF10 (overall) is a much better IEM than the Isurus. I do, however, enjoy the mids of the Isurus better than I do in the TF10. But yes, technically, the TF10 is a way better sounding IEM. Still, the Isurus must be commended at its price point. Happy listening...

 

 

I didn't take it as you said that the Isurus was just as good as the TF, not at all.  I just agreed with you about their mids and that the Isurus somehow in a lesser way could be considered a cheap  "dynamic' version of TF10.

 

Whenever I switch from the TF10 to the Isurus, the mids of the Isurus are always a pleasant surprise to my ears and I think that's pretty darn good for a $20 IEM.

 

 

post #873 of 32903
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Just got these. 31n34o-9dhL._AA160_.jpg31VOBAIyMzL._SL500_AA300_.jpg So my gamble payed off. These sound exactly like the pack in foam tips that are on the GR07 on the isurus. These go for $3.99 plus about $3 for shipping on Amazon.

 

First I want to apologize to the guys that ended up with the jlab tips for them not to work for you..I think I was a bit too excited how well they worked for me and I forgot that not everyone has the same shape ears. I can say without a doubt that these will indeed work for everyone because these are the equivalent to comply softies. Same things but cheaper.

 

So what does these do to the sound?  The isurus is now completely balanced well with all the lovely detail they produce.. I owe ri- toast and jupiterknight a set. Lol. I will message you guys and send a fresh pair to you.

 

I can honestly say these are now the best tips. I still think the jlabs provide just a bit oomph but these do not make the sound worse in any way . In fact these are indeed a perfect match for the isurus and one that will fit everyone. They are squishy. And squishy is good.

post #874 of 32903
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So you are enjoying the overall sound of the SHH3580 more than the SHE3580?


 

That's an interesting question!  For the longest time I've been listening to the SHE3580 only with EQ so I haven't been really able to compare their stock sound.  E.g. I would put on the SHH3580 using SHE3580's EQ (where I dial down the bass) only to be disappointed by the lack of punch.  I just tried a listen to the two pairs without EQ and to my surprise the SHH3580 does sound like a more complete package, with the lows, mids and highs being better integrated with each other.  In fact it sounds like a livelier if harsher version of my usual EQ settings for the SHE3580 (but smoother than the stock 3580), I could see myself using the SHH3580 in a pinch when no EQ is available and being more satisfied than with the SHE3580 by quite a margin etysmile.gif

 

Still the SHH3580 does seem lacking in subbass compared to the SHE3580, to the extent that it seems less punchy in the bass than the EQ'ed SHE3580 where I lowered the bass already.  If your player can EQ up the subbass that'd be perfect.  You know the SHH3580 can take it coz they probably share the same drivers as the SHE3580 just with different tuning.  Actually the SHH3580 plays at lower volume than the SHE3580 which seems to further suggest that the SHH3580 was further tuned compared to the SHE3580, thus reducing the sensitivity.

 

Bear in mind I only wrote these impressions based on one song.  It's my recent favourite song, which is literally so HIGH it makes me want to strip to my trunks and jump into the nearest beach in the middle of the current freezing winter biggrin.gif The subbass on this song is something incredible too, definitely a great listen on the SHE3580 basshead.gif

 


Edited by Joe Bloggs - 1/22/12 at 2:17am
post #875 of 32903
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Ya I have to admit it is strange to me how the isurus mic works for some and not others. I know it works great on my optimus but some other androids don't. Get the isurus for their sound and if you get the mic to work bonus.

 

@Joe. How you like them SHE8005.?  I was eyeing those online.



I'd say you need to try the SHH3580 instead.  mr.khali's question just caused an epiphany here where I found that the SHH3580 sounds more proper without EQ than just about anything I have with me at the moment.  And that definitely includes the SHE8005, which I would rank below the SHE3580 in unEQed sound.  What the SHH3580 lacks in subbass compared to the SHE3580 it seems to make up for with everything else.  The only thing stopping me from using the SHH3580 with my phone instead of the SHE8005 right now is that the former lacks an analog volume control, which I need to stop phone calls on my LG Optimus 2X from being ear-splittingly loud.

 

Bear in mind though the 8005 comes with new different tips compared to the 3580 line and I like these new ones less (too stiff for me, may be just right for others though).  I haven't tried tip rolling with the 8005 yet.

post #876 of 32903

Not to rain on anybody's parade but for accuracy we really should stop saying the SHE3580 does sub-bass cause it just doesn't. My re-cabled TF10 does sub-bass and there is quite a bit of extension and reach below the Philips. The Philips is really chopped off on both ends actually.

 

I know Joe Bloggs has the ER4P. I've had the ER4 P and/or S twice. They don't have sub-bass either. The sacrifice of that single armature driver is extension and the Ety goes a more with treble reach and it can't reach that low on the other end. So I'm fine with saying the Philips can reach as low as the Ety but neither quite makes it to sub-bass frequencies.

 

What I hear the Philips doing is placing it's hump/peak/emphasis extremely low in their response giving the impression of sub-bass vs. the real thing. Close but not quite the same as actual sub-bass. 

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Not to rain on anybody's parade but for accuracy we really should stop saying the SHE3580 does sub-bass cause it just doesn't. My re-cabled TF10 does sub-bass and there is quite a bit of extension and reach below the Philips. The Philips is really chopped off on both ends actually.

 

I know Joe Bloggs has the ER4P. I've had the ER4 P and/or S twice. They don't have sub-bass either. The sacrifice of that single armature driver is extension and the Ety goes a more with treble reach and it can't reach that low on the other end. So I'm fine with saying the Philips can reach as low as the Ety but neither quite makes it to sub-bass frequencies.

 

What I hear the Philips doing is placing it's hump/peak/emphasis extremely low in their response giving the impression of sub-bass vs. the real thing. Close but not quite the same as actual sub-bass. 


What recable option did you go for on the TF10's?

 

 

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Have you played with a signal generator like Sinegen to confirm?

 

What's your definition of subbass? <20Hz?  Then I suppose it's possible the Philips are rolled off in the subbass, since goldenears only measured down to 20Hz...

 

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(edit: nvm, I see that the Super.fi 3 is also single-armature.  For those of you who wonder what jant is talking about below, I posted a FR graph of the SF3 here, it had flatter bass (not trending up all the way to 20Hz) and more rolled off treble (off the charts before 20kHz) than the Philips.  I thought the SF'3' was triple armature... goldenears doesn't have a measurement for the TF10.)

 

If you're going by listening impressions, let me tell you that it's rather fickle... I can dial up and down the 20-30Hz range by 10dB on the parametric EQ and hear next to no change in actual music when it's clearly audible playing pure tones in Sinegen.  So our perception of "subbass" could be related to something that is not subbass at all...


Edited by Joe Bloggs - 1/22/12 at 9:09am
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What recable option did you go for on the TF10's?

 

 


I got Chris_Himself's SilverRay cable. Of course a very nice improvement to my ears and a true top universal. Things like the Ety and other Triple drivers like the SM3 are just not as good as this phone. So, of course I am not trying to demean the Philips any. It really isn't fair to compare the two. The Philips is good for what it is and is does do low bass better than many other budget phones. I really don't expect the Philips to do true sub-bass. If it could It wouldn't be $10. I'm more peeving on the distinction of low bass and sub-bass than saying anything bad about the 3580(outside of that cable).

 

 

 

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I suppose you could be right.  Really have to listen for myself someday... (eyes turn blank)

 

Meanwhile, I'm really interested in what you hear when you tell the TF10 and the SHE3580 to play a 20Hz tone in Sinegen...?

post #881 of 32903

Sorry, Joe Bloggs. The SF3 is a single driver that is quite inferior to the ETY.. I have owned about 4 of them and know it well. You have a great argument with that one as the SF3 is rated as 20Hz - 13kHz on Frequency response vs the stock TF which is 10Hz - 17kHz. Stock vs. re-cabled bass extension are not the same and is improved slightly.

 

Again, not an attack on anyone who loves the 3580bigsmile_face.gif. Let's not derail the thread.


Edited by jant71 - 1/22/12 at 9:41am
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lol stuff below 20hz is pretty much irrelevant, most recordings only go down to 40hz anyway. 

 


Edited by Inks - 1/22/12 at 10:46am
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Having lived with the Isarus' for awhile, I can say and would agree these are excellent IEMs - not just for the money, but very nice period.  I have ER-4P's and TF10vi's as a reference and put Comply tips on all of them when listening back to back so the seal would be similar.

 

For me, the Isarus goes deeper on the low end (significantly more than the 4P's and noticeably more than the TF10's), but doesn't seem particularly bloated or overbearing - just weighty and full, but I'm thinking it's somewhat boosted from totally neutral.  I can imagine that with bass heavy music over long periods of time, this *could* get fatiguing.  They provide more detail and high end sparkle than the TF10's and I find them just generally more fun and pleasant to listen to than the TF10's.  I've never been blown away (or honestly even all that impressed) by the TF10's, which is why I was asking about recable options earlier.

 

The ER-4P's may be more accurate all around and I plan on keeping them, but which one I prefer to listen to would depend upon mood and appetite for bass.

 

About tips: I ordered and tried the Jlab biflanges, but I "don't get them" at all.  Fit isn't good, sound isn't good - makes them really treble-happy to my ears and the bass is pretty much gone.  Went back to the original tips as well - they're fine, but I like the tighter and more secure seal of the Comply's much better.

 

I also ordered the SHE3580's at the same time, but they didn't arrive at my parents house during the holidays before I had to head back home.  So looking forward to listening to those when I get my hands on those.

 

But bottom lime - Isarus is a great complement to my Etymotic ER-4P's and being $20 buds, they're great for bringing anywhere without sweating about losing or damaging them.  And I honestly feel I can sell my TF10's without missing them since they seem to do essentially everything to my ears better.  I'll probably pick up another pair of Isarus' for when these bite the bullet - these lower priced IEMs come and go often enough that having a spare pair for the future seems like a good idea.

post #884 of 32903
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Ya sorry bout the Jlab tips. I realized after I was gushing about them I was so enamored by how great they sounded to me on the isurus I forgot that my ears shape is completely different to everyone else. That is why I think the foam style tips work the best. For some reason I am getting the best sound out of those Jlab tips for me. It is weird. But the foams do just a good a job and will be one everyone can use..So foam tips it is. By the way guys..

 

I ended up buying a new CKM77.  I will be able to tell if there are similarities or not.


Edited by Dsnuts - 1/22/12 at 11:40am
post #885 of 32903
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Originally Posted by captouch View Post

Having lived with the Isarus' for awhile, I can say and would agree these are excellent IEMs - not just for the money, but very nice period.  I have ER-4P's and TF10vi's as a reference and put Comply tips on all of them when listening back to back so the seal would be similar.

 

For me, the Isarus goes deeper on the low end (significantly more than the 4P's and noticeably more than the TF10's), but doesn't seem particularly bloated or overbearing - just weighty and full, but I'm thinking it's somewhat boosted from totally neutral.  I can imagine that with bass heavy music over long periods of time, this *could* get fatiguing.  They provide more detail and high end sparkle than the TF10's and I find them just generally more fun and pleasant to listen to than the TF10's.  I've never been blown away (or honestly even all that impressed) by the TF10's, which is why I was asking about recable options earlier.

 

The ER-4P's may be more accurate all around and I plan on keeping them, but which one I prefer to listen to would depend upon mood and appetite for bass.

 

About tips: I ordered and tried the Jlab biflanges, but I "don't get them" at all.  Fit isn't good, sound isn't good - makes them really treble-happy to my ears and the bass is pretty much gone.  Went back to the original tips as well - they're fine, but I like the tighter and more secure seal of the Comply's much better.

 

I also ordered the SHE3580's at the same time, but they didn't arrive at my parents house during the holidays before I had to head back home.  So looking forward to listening to those when I get my hands on those.

 

But bottom lime - Isarus is a great complement to my Etymotic ER-4P's and being $20 buds, they're great for bringing anywhere without sweating about losing or damaging them.  And I honestly feel I can sell my TF10's without missing them since they seem to do essentially everything to my ears better.  I'll probably pick up another pair of Isarus' for when these bite the bullet - these lower priced IEMs come and go often enough that having a spare pair for the future seems like a good idea.


the JLab tips work great on my tf10s, finally something that stays in place.

funny that you mention about getting a spare; i was going to give my "extra" to my so. for now they just sit in the package awaiting burn in, maybe. so far when i ask if they're wanted i hear crickets.
 

 

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