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post #736 of 32862

After starting using Isurus from about 150 hours, i come back to Queen album, and initial simbilance from Freddie M. voice is gone, cool.

 

 

Next week will order a MOAGAMI Cable and a Neutrik Jack, for recable TT....they worth it.

 

 

;D

 

 

post #737 of 32862
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

This song is easily in my top 20 favorites. Dsnuts, compare with your GR07 and Isurus, and tell me what you think. I think it's a perfect example of how the GR07 can have plenty bass without even touching the mids/vocals.

 



The GR07 on this tune is very natural sounding. I can clearly tell the flat response on this tune. When I changed up to the isurus the vocals are bit more prominent but very nice quality in the presentation on the tune as well..The quality of the GR07 is clearly evident on good recordings and everything is clean and proper the way it should be.. It is astounding to me the isurus has a bit more forward sounding on the vocals and instrument separation and detail on the tune is just awesome. For a phone that cost 1/8th of a higher quality Gr07 the isurus holds its own against them..Wow. I knew going into this thread the isurus was a good value and sounded great but I had no idea just how much..Everyone with the isurus take a listen to this tune. What you guys think?


 

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Originally Posted by AuralHygiene View Post

So quick question. can someone tell me the SQ diff between the SHE 9700 and the ISURUS? I've just ordered the latter, but after after reading some of the rave reviews on the 9700 over the 3580, I've been curious about them. But do tell me if i'm getting the wrong impression.



Both are great values for their prices and I think getting any of them will be satisfactory. The Isurus has extended highs and detail that rival some of the best universal Iems. Much like the Gr07 however, they need a solid burn in for the highs to mellow and better tips make them a serious contender against phones that cost much more. The SHE9700 is a crazy free phone Philips packed into their Mp3 player back in 2004.. The player wasn't anything special but this phone was. These are yet another crazy valued earphone that no one would assume sounds great but they do indeed sound awesome..

 

The isurus is the type of phone that will grow on you and impress more and more as you get used to the sound. The SHE9700 is the type of phone that will impress right a way with it's strong high quality bass and balanced presentation..If you got the isurus enjoy one of the best hidden treasures in earphones.  If you end up getting the SHE9700 those just are right in so many ways they are worth tracking down if you are curious..If you love detail in your tunes the isurus is amazing for a dynamic driver, if you just want to enjoy one of the best bassy fun sounding iems on the planet not too many know about both the Philips SHE3580 and the SHE9700 are just too awesome not to consider.. One is more technical while the other is just plain fun. All 3 are worthy.


Edited by Dsnuts - 1/15/12 at 7:36pm
post #738 of 32862
Thread Starter 

Heres one for you eke. Take a listen. See what you think. Try the isurus you tell me how this sounds with them. Unreal!

Guitar never sounded better.


Edited by Dsnuts - 1/15/12 at 3:08pm
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Another amazing test (air space presence) for Isurus.:D

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyqww0RScMs&ob=av2n

 

 

Pet Shop Boys - Ultimate Pet Shop Boys , is another great albun for this baby.


Edited by pack21 - 1/15/12 at 3:31pm
post #740 of 32862

I forgot all about these!

I got the Isurus a while ago, left them burning at work for a few days and tried them on.

I have to say that I DON'T like IEMs and this one is no exception!

Not because of the sound though, I actually found them quite good but they were also uncomfortable for me. I changed the tips and I believe I used the smallest ones that came with the headphones... with those it was better but still, I find these weird to put on! (it's like they are too big for my ears! lol)

 

Anyway, I'll probably use them with my Archos 605 and my Kindle when I'm in bed... at least I don't have to use full-size cans now when reading.

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Thread Starter 

These bigger dynamic drivers aren't the most comfortable I have to admit. I have no issues as I have mid/larger ears but I can see how these and the MP8320 would be an issue.

 

You should have gotten the other phone on the thread. The Philips SHE3580. .I know you like bassy tunes too. You would absolutely love the bass on the SHE3580. It is more than very satisfactory it is amazing.. $10 and you will never ever have to worry about sound leakage in your cube.  One of the smallest earphone on the planet and produces bass that equals your fullsized Denons.. Try n track one down. I think you would be pleasantly surprised by their sound and comfort. 

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Originally Posted by james444 View Post


I think it would be best to ask Inks, since he's heard both the CKM99 (the TT's alleged sibling) and the newer batch FX500. My FX500 were from an older batch and would distort bass at high volume, but Inks told me this has been fixed on the newer batches.

Easily preferred the FX500 to the CKM99. It was bassier, but more controlled, smoother treble (though still quite forward) with a more open sound with the wooden timbre. My FX500 had no distorting bass, but the price has really gone up on these. 

 

Still think calling the Isurus the CKM99 OEM is more of a way of hyping the product as there is no solid grounds. 

 

Thanks for your impressions on the Isurus James. 

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

 

Easily preferred the FX500 to the CKM99. It was bassier, but more controlled, smoother treble (though still quite forward) with a more open sound with the wooden timbre. My FX500 had no distorting bass, but the price has really gone up on these. 

 

Still think calling the Isurus the CKM99 OEM is more of a way of hyping the product as there is no solid grounds. 

 

Thanks for your impressions on the Isurus James. 



Inks, you know I have to ask you this so that I'm clear: have you heard the Isurus (I know you've heard the CKM99)? If you heard the Isurus and are saying it's nothing like the CKm99, then your opinion holds validity IMO. But if you haven't heard it and giving out speculation, then I think that's a bit unfair. I haven't heard either one yet. The only person I know who has heard both is jant71, but I'm still unclear on how similar or unsimilar he thinks they are. Again, I'm not trying to be adversarial, but it just concerns me when someone says something is or not like something else without hearing all products spoken about. I rather read an opinion of someone describing sound by their memory (which I know you don't think is possible) than speculating what something sounds like that they haven't heard. So, if you have heard both, disregard all of this, please, but if you haven't heard both please stop doing the readers of this post a disservice. beerchug.gif

post #744 of 32862

The Isurus does indeed sound very nice. Ultimately I returned it because of the non-symmetrical cord and cheap plastic-y build. 

 

Should the Isurus ever get repackaged/reshelled into something more premium I'd pay $100 for them. 

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I haven't and probably won't hear the Isurus as I am no longer interested though still tempting because of the price. 

 

Thing is, I'm not the one claiming it uses the CKM99 driver or trying to prove that it isn't. As a critic, there just isn't enough solid proof to make that claim the OP is making, thus making my personal opinion of it . If you read my post, you should realize that it isn't conclusive. I am not saying that isn't the CKM99 driver and that's a fact, I'm expressing my skepticism.

 

I don't understand why your example is brought up as it seems OT. Did I say something like "the Isurus seems to sound harsher than the CKM99 based on reading here". If I had I would understand that, but I'm saying the CKM99 relation seems like a tool of hype rather than something that has been well proven (inside-info, graphs, etc.).  Even if they sound similar, proving they're the same driver is a different thing

 

The OP certainly seems to be enjoying them quite well that's fine, but you learn more about an IEM when it's critiqued and it hasn't been well laid out until James made his opinions. My take


Edited by Inks - 1/15/12 at 9:52pm
post #746 of 32862
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Originally Posted by Dsnuts View Post

Heres one for you eke. Take a listen. See what you think. Try the isurus you tell me how this sounds with them. Unreal!

Guitar never sounded better.



Wow man, at this rate you're going to make me blow serious money on music. 

 

Ok, I listened with the isurus and GR07. To my ears the GR07 is clearly superior, but the Isurus doesn't get clobbered. The best way I can say it is that the Isurus has all the 'data' of the song, but the GR07 infuses it with air and emotion. I just bought the song

post #747 of 32862
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

Inks, you know I have to ask you this so that I'm clear: have you heard the Isurus (I know you've heard the CKM99)? If you heard the Isurus and are saying it's nothing like the CKm99, then your opinion holds validity IMO. But if you haven't heard it and giving out speculation, then I think that's a bit unfair. I haven't heard either one yet. The only person I know who has heard both is jant71, but I'm still unclear on how similar or unsimilar he thinks they are. Again, I'm not trying to be adversarial, but it just concerns me when someone says something is or not like something else without hearing all products spoken about. I rather read an opinion of someone describing sound by their memory (which I know you don't think is possible) than speculating what something sounds like that they haven't heard. So, if you have heard both, disregard all of this, please, but if you haven't heard both please stop doing the readers of this post a disservice. beerchug.gif

 

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

I haven't and probably won't hear the Isurus as I am no longer interested though still tempting because of the price. 

 

Thing is, I'm not the one claiming it uses the CKM99 driver or trying to prove that it isn't. As a critic, there just isn't enough solid proof to make that claim the OP is making, thus making my personal opinion of it . If you read my post, you should realize that it isn't conclusive. I am not saying that isn't the CKM99 driver and that's a fact, I'm expressing my skepticism.

 

I don't understand why your example is brought up as it seems OT. Did I say something like "the Isurus seems to sound harsher than the CKM99 based on reading here". If I had I would understand that, but I'm saying the CKM99 relation seems like a tool of hype rather than something that has been well proven (inside-info, graphs, etc.).  Even if they sound similar, proving they're the same driver is a different thing

 

The OP certainly seems to be enjoying them quite well that's fine, but you learn more about an IEM when it's critiqued and it hasn't been well laid out until James made his opinions. My take

 

Well, sorry for having brought up the CKM99 again, but I was replying to a question about whether the FX500 would be an upgrade to the Isurus. My reasoning was like this: if Inks rated the FX500 higher than the CKM99, then they should be a possible upgrade, even for those who think that the Isurus and CKM99 are identical.

 

As for my critique, I admit that I haven't given the TTs the 150 hours burn-in treatment that's been mentioned by some. I let them play for 24 hours, since no driver I've ever heard has shown significant change after the first few hours. I tried a myriad of tips though, plus wearing them with a loose seal, but like I said before, ime the combination of elevated bass and thin/sharp treble is anything but easy to manage.

post #748 of 32862

Can anyone confirm if the Philips 3570 series are of the same quality as the 3580's? They're half the price of the 3580's on Amazon, so it's worth asking.

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Thing is, I'm not the one claiming it uses the CKM99 driver or trying to prove that it isn't. As a critic, there just isn't enough solid proof to make that claim the OP is making, thus making my personal opinion of it . If you read my post, you should realize that it isn't conclusive. I am not saying that isn't the CKM99 driver and that's a fact, I'm expressing my skepticism.

 

Well said.  I was really expecting some more concrete proof on these.  Certainly, the burden isn't on Inks since he was brought into this conversation... and given the evidence, he is right to be skeptical (as am I).

 

In the end, though, I suppose it really doesn't matter. If you enjoy the Isurus now, that shouldn't change no matter who makes the drivers. As for me, I am still not sure where I stand on them.  But they have improved REMARKABLY with burn-in and different tips...more than I ever thought possible. 

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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post



Inks, you know I have to ask you this so that I'm clear: have you heard the Isurus (I know you've heard the CKM99)? If you heard the Isurus and are saying it's nothing like the CKm99, then your opinion holds validity IMO. But if you haven't heard it and giving out speculation, then I think that's a bit unfair. I haven't heard either one yet. The only person I know who has heard both is jant71, but I'm still unclear on how similar or unsimilar he thinks they are. Again, I'm not trying to be adversarial, but it just concerns me when someone says something is or not like something else without hearing all products spoken about. I rather read an opinion of someone describing sound by their memory (which I know you don't think is possible) than speculating what something sounds like that they haven't heard. So, if you have heard both, disregard all of this, please, but if you haven't heard both please stop doing the readers of this post a disservice. beerchug.gif




To be clear, I haven't heard any of the CKM range. The AT mention probably does a disservice to the Isurus as it should stand on it's own merits. It actually does bear a good resemblance to my ES55 but I don't think they share a driver wink_face.gif. Can be good to compare to a more well known product to give an idea of how it performs. Of course you need to take it with a grain of salt, as always, when it is not compared to the real thing but Joker's description of it. At least Dsnuts stated that and also that he did not own the CKM99. If left to do over again I'm sure he would have left the AT rebrand thing out. 

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