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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

 

Like I said, I didn't really listen to them enough to form much of an opinion other than that they weren't my cup of tea.  Its bass is solid as may be expected of the woofer but I don't hear the refinement that one may expect out of the other two drivers.  My ears are hard to please though, there are few phones that I finish auditioning with a "bleh" these days if I don't have my full EQ suite at hand.  The ones I've heard that won't make me go "bleh" without EQ can be counted on one hand: Etymotics line, Sony XBA-1 (and I've heard 1-4), Hifiman RE0, MH1C and now the Somic.  The latter two could really use some bass reduction though and all but the MH1C could really use some more precision tuning in the treble.

I'm assuming you mean only midbass on the Somic? Because if it means it could use a reduction in subbass, then it just might be the perfect open can for me because that would mean it is close in sound to the mh1c, yes?

Also. Are you implying that that re0 was pretty darn close to perfection for you? If so, could you pm me a comparison of the re0 and mh1c?

 

I'm posting the graphs for all three here.  You be the judge

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Black: MH1C, Red: RE0, Green: SOMiC MH463

The Somic has the smoothest midrange to my ears while the MH1C has the smoothest highs.  The RE0 has the best balance overall (but you'd probably call it anaemic bass).  The SOMiC "measures" lower in the subbass but this can be boosted back up successfully with EQ unlike with every other pair of cans I tried.  And because these are big circumaural cans the perceived bass impact is actually better than any IEM.  When a subbass rumble SFX hits I wouldn't want to be wearing any earphones other than these L3000.gif

post #5297 of 32904
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Yeah, Monoprice is always ridiculously cheap on stuff like that, but shipping kills it for me. Amazon Prime FTW.

 

 

Haha yeah, I use prime too except for monoprice because shipping to me is like $1 and it comes overnight since I live so close to them.

post #5298 of 32904
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

Wait wait, so you mean it's made in and shipped from like... Geneva, or Zurich... and not, err... Shanyang, or Zhengzhou?!

 

 

 

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So the Sabre is made in... Switzerland.

 

Talk about zero marketing.  Damn...

 

 

That JDS Labs ODAC (for $149, wtf) is all hype hype hype.

 

All packages ships from China. We offer different shipping options for you to chose what suits you depending on cost and delivery time.

 

Swiss post (with tracking number) Recommended

Packages are shipped from China to Switzerland where it is shipped out together as swiss international mail. Reliable and fast. Normal delivery times are 10-20 days, but it can take up to 35 working days. Max 2Kg's.
post #5299 of 32904
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A printer cable will work well with this device.

i meant that i can't disconnect the printer one. i guess is a A B usb cable

post #5300 of 32904

Have the TDK IE800s (dual dynamics) in my ears now. Not enough listening time to really say anything other than I think the mids are excellent. I believe in burn in (especially with dynamic drivers), so it will be awhile before any substantial first impressions, but I'm not disappointed in the purchase at the moment. The signature reminds a little bit of the RE262, but not quite. More later.

post #5301 of 32904
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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

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Black: MH1C, Red: RE0, Green: SOMiC MH463

Aaaah. I see. Let me know when you find something (iem or can) that looks like the mh1c with that bass around +5 instead of +10. Or the re0 around +5 instead of -4

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Originally Posted by atomikn00b View Post

 

Aaaah. I see. Let me know when you find something (iem or can) that looks like the mh1c with that bass around +5 instead of +10. Or the re0 around +5 instead of -4

 

How about the KRK KNS Systems 6400 with a b4ss b00st sw1tch!?  It's one headphone which is very rarely talked about, I wish someone could compare it to the JVC S500.

post #5303 of 32904
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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

 

I'm posting the graphs for all three here.  You be the judge

1000

Black: MH1C, Red: RE0, Green: SOMiC MH463

The Somic has the smoothest midrange to my ears while the MH1C has the smoothest highs.  The RE0 has the best balance overall (but you'd probably call it anaemic bass).  The SOMiC "measures" lower in the subbass but this can be boosted back up successfully with EQ unlike with every other pair of cans I tried.  And because these are big circumaural cans the perceived bass impact is actually better than any IEM.  When a subbass rumble SFX hits I wouldn't want to be wearing any earphones other than these L3000.gif

 

Do you have a curve to compare against other bass heavy IEMs like IE8/IE80 etc?  Thanks

post #5304 of 32904
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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

 

I'm posting the graphs for all three here.  You be the judge

1000

Black: MH1C, Red: RE0, Green: SOMiC MH463

The Somic has the smoothest midrange to my ears while the MH1C has the smoothest highs.  The RE0 has the best balance overall (but you'd probably call it anaemic bass).  The SOMiC "measures" lower in the subbass but this can be boosted back up successfully with EQ unlike with every other pair of cans I tried.  And because these are big circumaural cans the perceived bass impact is actually better than any IEM.  When a subbass rumble SFX hits I wouldn't want to be wearing any earphones other than these L3000.gif


what about Re-Zero?

post #5305 of 32904

So I have no way of knowing this, but based on what I have read I would think that the IE800 and the BA200 are quite close in sound signature (as close as dual dynamic and dual BA IEM can get being in the same family). Regardless, in very brief and initial impressions I must say I'm quite impressed. I wasn't in the first 20 minutes, as the sound seemed quite thin (but I know better and that dynamics need some time to blossom as I believe in burn in). Well, in about three hours of listening the sound is filling out quite nicely. 

 

What was noticeable and impressive right off the back are the mids. I was just telling someone in an inbox how amazing and progressively forward dynamics have become in having clarity and transparency that you could only get in a BA no more than two years ago. Clarity is outstanding in the IE800's mids and vocals. The only IEM that I can think of now that the IE800 comes close to is the RE262. The RE262 beats the IE800 in soundstage (not that IE800's soundstage is too close to the listener), but I think the IE800 may be the winner in vocal details. Clarity is almost draw (sometimes the TDK edging slightly ahead, and sometimes the Hifiman). I thought the RE262, but the IE800 is beginning to reveal it's great bass. The RE262, however, still has the better, fuller and more natural drums sound at the moment, although not by that much. Strings have more emotion and depth through the RE262, but again, not by that much. I think the IE800 is going to be the bass winner. The mids are so close between these two though, except has a wider soundstage than the other. This is a very good investment for $150. The sound is nice and smooth and refined. Depth and imaging are fantastic. Okay, back to more intense listening. Oh, the TDK respondes well to amping (listening through the Fiio E10/E9 combo right now).

post #5306 of 32904
Thread Starter 

Nice ericp I am tempted to try one but I am saving up for you know what. Keep us updated.

 

Speaking of. I will definitely get a FXZ100 or FXZ200 but not till middle of next month. My friend will be in Japan visiting family next month and will get me a pair then. For the price of the FXZ100 on ebay I can get the FXZ200 in Japan. So we will see.

post #5307 of 32904
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Originally Posted by Dsnuts View Post

Nice ericp I am tempted to try one but I am saving up for you know what. Keep us updated.

 

Speaking of. I will definitely get a FXZ100 or FXZ200 but not till middle of next month. My friend will be in Japan visiting family next month and will get me a pair then. For the price of the FXZ100 on ebay I can get the FXZ200 in Japan. So we will see.

Sounds great Dsnuts. I think one or both of us will have one of these JVCs before Xmas.

post #5308 of 32904

Thanks for the frequency graphs ericp10. Now I can change my EQ settings to get rid of the overwhelming bass on the MH1cs.

post #5309 of 32904
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Originally Posted by atomikn00b View Post

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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

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Black: MH1C, Red: RE0, Green: SOMiC MH463

Aaaah. I see. Let me know when you find something (iem or can) that looks like the mh1c with that bass around +5 instead of +10. Or the re0 around +5 instead of -4

 

IEMs maybe.  Cans, I don't think it's possible to get 20Hz at +5.  If you look at graphs at headroom or innerfidelity the cans doing the best subbass are orthos like the Hifiman HE-400 or Audeze LCD-3--and even those just have a flat subbass, not a subbass rise.  That's only possible with EQ, I think.  But then EQ opens up a lot of cans to the possibility of skull pounding subbass.  The SOMiC can do it too.

 

One trick to skull crushing subbass on portables.  Until recent revisions Poweramp on Android had a bug where if you lowered all its EQ bands, everything gets cut, EXCEPT for the subbass.  I used to get my head just about flattened by the tiny Philips SHE3580 this way L3000.gif

 

 

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Originally Posted by yalper View Post

what about Re-Zero?

 

That's one I really want to hear.  AstralStorm claims that it is a RE0 with smoother treble.  If true that might be the ideal IEMs for me.  But they're getting discontinued... frown.gif


Edited by Joe Bloggs - 11/30/12 at 10:57pm
post #5310 of 32904
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Originally Posted by mbamg View Post

Thanks for the frequency graphs ericp10. Now I can change my EQ settings to get rid of the overwhelming bass on the MH1cs.

 

Overwhelming bass soo good when playing skyrim and ME2!!!!

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