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^ Same could be said about those Piss_ton and well as Havi pros which ever versions they are. LMAO

And guess who be hyping those. rolleyes.gif

I forgot lol
Im gonna say iemagnet was hyping them POStins
I think bhazard with the havi but rverybody got the wrong version lol
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That's the thing, they are a great headphone, and do very well in a lot of areas. Very few, if any headphones pull off what they do at $50 after rebate.

The problem is the rabid overhype, which will make it another forgotten fotm over time. That thread is making it out to be something its not, and it will disappoint quite a few people, myself included. Once I saw claims that people preferred them to the HE-500 (which I sold off because I wasn't 100% thrilled with either), I just stopped taking it seriously.

Yeah, and the pistons were such glorious IEMS, right?

 

That annoying iemacknet has created a huge commotion out of the pistons.

 

They look mighty fine for $27

 

but I'd rather save up for an iem that will get heavily discounted to that price instead.

 

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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 


^ Like wise meng like wise, check yo' hypes. ;)

 

I agree with this and WOULD have agreed with bhazard until...

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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 


^ Same could be said about those Piss_ton and well as Havi pros which ever versions they are. LMAO

 

And guess who be hyping those. :rolleyes:

to be honest, both sides are being unfair (though have good points)

 

The hyped cheap iems and headphones are just that, cheap, good sounding. It is unfair to those headphones and earphones that are not well known, like these logies for instance.

 

HOWEVER

 

These mikros are...

 

let me say it

 

DISCONTINUED

 

that's why they're at this price, and it isn't even hype because of that, since the intentions of the martin logans company was to make a high end headphone. They decided to sell all their stock off, and this is definitely a gem!

 

Marties were originally $300, so obviously these shouldn't be compared.

 

Knock it off all of you, all headphones that are recommended by headfiers with similar tastes for specific SQ (whether it be smooth, warm, or analytically detailed) like ours are enough for most of us.

 

I love the martin logans

 

They deserve to get hyped, though there does have to be a limit.

 

Do I love them more than my collection??

 

Not even, I do love that it bests my collection, but it won't sound warm, nor will it sound big bassed, nor will it have the widest soundstage (though it will lose the 3dness if that happened), it won't have everything.

 

But it will always get the top love from me.


Edited by vlenbo - 2/28/14 at 10:14pm
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post


^ Like wise meng like wise, check yo' hypes. wink.gif

But I do hype the M90. Its a budget beast. It's just reaching hype levels that will disappoint a lot of people.

Most people looking at a great $50 portable headphone do not have a good DAC/amp, with high quality, excellent mastered FLAC/MP3, and have the ability of all that to be portable. When power starved, not positioned well, and playing a poorly mastered/lower quality file, it takes a big hit.

We might think it's normal, but most people will think "wtf?" at spending $300 on a "modest" amp/DAC to extract the best sound from a now $50 headphone.

When the Pistons were $19, they were an awesome budget find. Turns out there's like 2 versions of those now too, but they can make a great find for those who like big bass and a clearer than normal treble at $20-30. I stand by that.

The Havi is great. They finally labeled the versions to avoid that multi version nonsense that happened. The pro 1 has a similar signature to the m90, and is finally back. The other versions were meh. Still another excellent buy, but all shortcomings were mentioned.

That Teac is a $30 monster too, but a lot of people ended up getting screwed over by someone who hoarded them.

Not once did I claim "Noble 4S killers", or anything crazy on any of these. Its gotten to that level on the m90 craze however.
Edited by bhazard - 2/28/14 at 10:33pm
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Yupppp, my thoughts exactly bhazard! Warning to potential buyers: dont expect the second coming of jesus christ
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So if you're looking for a woody more mids and highs focused, from what I read the FX650 should fit your bill. I read on some review that the bass is toned down and it's much cheaper. Will it perform on the same level as the FX850? I doubt it, but that doesn't mean it won't be a good sounding iem.
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Some would argue that technically the FXZ200 was better than the FXZ100, but I actually enjoyed the 100 better (still have but sold the 200). I keep preaching this: you have to choose the sound signature best for you and get out of the top of the line mindset.
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^ that basically summed up what I wrote in TWO sentences, lol! (at least near the end of my post)

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Originally Posted by nehcrow View Post


I forgot lol
Im gonna say iemagnet was hyping them POStins
I think bhazard with the havi but rverybody got the wrong version lol

 

^ Nah those Piss_tons went SUPER_NOVA RETARD HYPE and many hyped them up and you know who you are. I honestly am dumbfounded how it got that way tbh. Am still is today. I know people enjoy them a lot due to their fun warm bassy sound with decent micro details, staging etc.

 

So didn't really want to kill their buzz but if you take them into consideration technically speaking and performance wise they are average at best and is CLASSIC FOTM material. It punches slightly above their retail price but nothing more. And for some folks to have put them on par with DN1Ks, etc etc is pretty absurd. The Nuforce NE700Xs has almost the exact same siggy and presentation but bests these Piston easily. Even the LG QB2 bests them and those should be much more worthy of the hype than the Pistons despite i don't see eye to eye with inks on many things i have to give those LGs are thumbs up. 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by vlenbo View Post
 

Yeah, and the pistons were such glorious IEMS, right?

 

That annoying iemacknet has created a huge commotion out of the pistons.

 

They look mighty fine for $27

 

but I'd rather save up for an iem that will get heavily discounted to that price instead.

 

 

I agree with this and WOULD have agreed with bhazard until...

to be honest, both sides are being unfair (though have good points)

 

The hyped cheap iems and headphones are just that, cheap, good sounding. It is unfair to those headphones and earphones that are not well known, like these logies for instance.

 

HOWEVER

 

These mikros are...

 

let me say it

 

DISCONTINUED

 

that's why they're at this price, and it isn't even hype because of that, since the intentions of the martin logans company was to make a high end headphone. They decided to sell all their stock off, and this is definitely a gem!

 

Marties were originally $300, so obviously these shouldn't be compared.

 

Knock it off all of you, all headphones that are recommended by headfiers with similar tastes for specific SQ (whether it be smooth, warm, or analytically detailed) like ours are enough for most of us.

 

I love the martin logans

 

They deserve to get hyped, though there does have to be a limit.

 

Do I love them more than my collection??

 

Not even, I do love that it bests my collection, but it won't sound warm, nor will it sound big bassed, nor will it have the widest soundstage (though it will lose the 3dness if that happened), it won't have everything.

 

But it will always get the top love from me.

^ Honestly i don't blame that IEM dood for the Piss_tons hype tbh, it's too easy to scapegoat a person that is banned and can't defend themselves. It was a COLLECTIVE hype on those pistons and you know who you are.

 

There were only a couple of peps that kept the hype in check despite their praise for them as well, and gave invaluable impressions regarding how they TRULY sounded. So props to those few folks and you know who you are.

 

Lets just say if you believe that these lil' portable Logan cans CAN bests flagship full size cans like the HE-500s etc etc then you are a fool and a tool to believe it. Some might prefer them to those full size cans, but there are limitations to what a closed portable can do.

 

BUT i prefer these Logans over the ATH WS99s, ATH ES700s as well as the Philips X1s i had once owned. Do they utterly destroy those other three cans, NOPE. Not by a long shot, but overall these Logans has a much higher end sound to me overall, despite the WS99 bests them in bass and sub bass, the ES700s has a tiny tiny edge on the lushness of the mids and the X1s has a much bigger soundstage due to it being semi-open.

 

That is where i place these Logans, nothing less nothing more.

 

 

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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post


But I do hype the M90. Its a budget beast. It's just reaching hype levels that will disappoint a lot of people.

Most people looking at a great $50 portable headphone do not have a good DAC/amp, with high quality, excellent mastered FLAC/MP3, and have the ability of all that to be portable. When power starved, not positioned well, and playing a poorly mastered/lower quality file, it takes a big hit.

We might think it's normal, but most people will think "wtf?" at spending $300 on a "modest" amp/DAC to extract the best sound from a $50 headphone.

^ Like i said before, if you believe everyones hype then you're damn fool. Everyone has their own preferences so i can understand that some pick these Logans over some flagship models but it is just one persons opinion. Why would you take anyones opinion at face value anyways??? You have to take into account their track record and how grounded as well as how their biases matches up to your own.

 

ehhh these Logans were originally $300 MSRP and for me they are worth every penny. The packaging might be lackluster but these perform at the $300 dollar range for me since i like them over the ATH WS99, ES700 as well as the Philips X1s.

 

So i really don't get your point on how these are "$50" cans and are not worthy of spending more on amp/dac on such a "modest" setup. In fact due to these Logans being discontinued as is selling at such low prices, but performs at the $300 level for me, it SAVES you tons so you can put your money on better amp/dac to improve not just these Logans but future purchases as well.

 

And isn't that what budget-fi is all about??? You get better/ same performance for cheap so you can hedge you monies elsewhere on hopefully even better things.

 

 

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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

Some would argue that technically the FXZ200 was better than the FXZ100, but I actually enjoyed the 100 better (still have but sold the 200). I keep preaching this: you have to choose the sound signature best for you and get out of the top of the line mindset.

^ You know what i am just gonna be blunt about the FXZ200s, i was REALLY and UTTERLY disappointed at them from my very 1st listen. I was soooo excited to finally hear what the hype was about and it being my 1st set of over $100 iems i had lots of expectations, also due to their hype as well.

 

But i was like ehhh these things sounds so damn meh, and this was what many folks hyped about??? So when you consider how hyped they were by so many, the FXZ200s is GARBAGE in how they perform and sound for me. For even my noob arse with such little experience i still don't see nor understand how those FXZ200 could be so hyped up so much, so i see your point there ericp.

 

The only person that put those JVC into proper perspective as ekey boi on his review of the FXZ100s while everyone back then was running around hyping them up. Guess only time can prove who is on the money and who is full of it. 

 

/rant


Edited by sfwalcer - 2/28/14 at 11:24pm
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 

 

There were only a couple of peps that kept the hype in check despite their praise for them as well, and gave invaluable impressions regarding how they TRULY sounded. So props to those few folks and you know who you are.

 

Lets just say if you believe that these lil' portable Logan cans CAN bests flagship full size cans like the HE-500s etc etc then you are a fool and a tool to believe it. Some might prefer them to those full size cans, but there are limitations to what a closed portable can do.

 

BUT i prefer these Logans over the ATH WS99s, ATH ES700s as well as the Philips X1s i had once owned. Do they utterly destroy those other three cans, NOPE. Not by a long shot, but overall these Logans has a much higher end sound to me overall, despite the WS99 bests them in bass and sub bass, the ES700s has a tiny tiny edge on the lushness of the mids and the X1s has a much bigger soundstage due to it being semi-open.

 

That is where i place these Logans, nothing less noting more.

 

 

^ Like i said before, if you believe everyones hype then you're damn fool. Everyone has their own preferences so i can understand that some pick these Logans over some flagship models but it is just ones persons opinion. Why would you take anyone opinion on face value anyways??? You have to take into account their track record and how grounded as well as how their biases matches up to your own.

 

ehhh these Logans were originally $300 MSRP and for me they are worth every penny. The packaging might be lackluster but these perform at the $300 dollar range for me since i like them over the ATH WS99, ES700 as well as the Philips X1s.

 

 

We say that, but in reality, we wouldn't have bought it for that price. :p Or at least, I wouldn't have. Not until I accumulate that amount to purchase those martins (if it were hyped before the price reduction), since the h-3s took destroyed my wallet. but even worse!

 

....using up extra money for those amps like you stated, lol.

 

I'll  probably say the same thing about the harman kardons when ShopHQ finally restocks them. :ph34r:

 

 

If I somehow overhype those, whack me.

 

And why do people fight against the fact that the martin logans are budget friendly now? That's a HUGE steal, and a great deal that I've seen so far.

 

The harmans are the only other headphone to match the price, and its MSRP is $199. And even then, it won't be as good as the mikros! At least, from what I've read.

 

Le +1.


Edited by vlenbo - 2/28/14 at 11:21pm
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We say that, but in reality, we wouldn't have bought it for that price. :p


^ haha you know me so well. DURRRR!!! Cuz i is a cheap bastard and ain't gonna pay no damn $300 FULL retail price for some portable cans meng. My Chinaman street cred is on the line if i do cuz ya' now we too smart to pay full price for anything. :p

 

But performance wise these Logans for me is worth their $300 MSRP, cuz the X1s didn't really WOWed me, the WS99 was everything i had expected so there was no surprises there, despite i love their sound. And the ES700s was really sweet sounding but i have expected them to sound pretty similar to the ES7s i had tried, so i wasn't mind blown by them.

 

These Logans on the other hand made me realize other nuances that i did no notice before as well as taught me what "realism" sounded like. So these were a game changer for me on a personal level just like how the JVC S500s and FX40s taught me what a higher sound is on the cheap.


Edited by sfwalcer - 2/28/14 at 11:26pm
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^ haha you know me so well. DURRRR!!! Cuz i is a cheap bastard and ain't gonna pay no damn $300 FULL retail price for some portable cans meng. My Chinaman street cred is on the line if i do cuz ya' now we too smart to pay full price for anything. :p

 

But performance wise these Logans for me is worth their $300 MSRP, cuz the X1s didn't really WOWed me, the WS99 was everything i had expected so there was no surprises there, despite i love their sound. And the ES700s was really sweet sounding but i have expected them to sound pretty similar to the ES7s i had tried, so i wasn't mind blown by them.

 

These Logans on the other hand made me realize other nuances that i did no notice before as well as taught me what "realism" sounded like. So these were a game changer for me on a personal level just like how the JVC S500s and FX40s taught me what a higher sound is on the cheap.

It's called frugal love, not that bad since you spend the rest of your money on food to feed your baby logies, isn't that right? So you aren't a cheap bastard, you are a caring father!

 

Also, Two things.

 

One, I'm actually pretty happy that the logans are serious with their mikros 90, and that it actually is worth that much. I do concur with it being worth every dollar that was SUPPOSED to be spent, lol.


And two, I totally agree with you on the nuances that the logans bring out. Didn't hear the sounds of heavy breathing singers in some songs, even the lightest of breath that I hear from vocalists captures my heart. It's as if...

 

 

It's as if..

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

THE LOGIES WERE MEANT FOR HEADFIERS!!!

Soldiers need to listen to these when they're in despair, they'll probably feel more relaxed when they listen to these beauts. Maybe pata can start a donation somewhere along the line in the future. :P

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Hi a lurker here. Really like the talk about the JVC, TEAC, and Mikros90. What about the Mikros 70 iem? I've got the Fostex TE-05, Astrotec AX35, and the Pistons. The position of them goes as such : TE-05>AX35>Piston. I still like to listen to the Piston for the warm closed in sound, with that hard hitting bass and spacey treble that goes on for days. It's a fun earphone. but not even close to as technical as the Fostex and Astrotec. Those JVC sound really tempting, but $300 is a bit out of my cheese range. 

I think danny didn't like the mikros 70? Am I correct or mistaken here?

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Originally Posted by LeonardForbush View Post
 

Hi a lurker here. Really like the talk about the JVC, TEAC, and Mikros90. What about the Mikros 70 iem? I've got the Fostex TE-05, Astrotec AX35, and the Pistons. The position of them goes as such : TE-05>AX35>Piston. I still like to listen to the Piston for the warm closed in sound, with that hard hitting bass and spacey treble that goes on for days. It's a fun earphone. but not even close to as technical as the Fostex and Astrotec. Those JVC sound really tempting, but $300 is a bit out of my cheese range. 


^ Hey hey welcome to the thread meng, it can get a lil' crazy around this neck of the woods but it's what makes it fun. : P

 

Think Danny was the only one that had tried them and he posted some impressions of them me thinks.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/586909/the-discovery-thread-new-zero-audio-doppios-pg1197-kef-m200-pg835-philips-fidelio-s2-pg-724/2970#post_8613817

 

Found it on the OP post with the links. Hope this helps. :)

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^ OMG OMG OMG!!! I DON"T BELIEVE!!! O.O

 

 

 

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Where have you been fool, you missing out on all the hype action. Welp not really but still...................... great to have you resurrected from dat audio graveyard.  : P

 

Was thinkin' you were finna gonna' be a goner like dat Doc that never even bothered to say good bye. haha

 

WOOO!!! Great to have you back, so have you heard about the latest and greatest JVC??? LMAO..... you know what he has in that filthy mind of his............damn right dat JVC woodie. :tongue_smile:

 

 

LOL !    .....I missed you too, Bro ! :p

 

...the last things in my ears were CKN70 and FXZ200     ....I see the Nutman's now hyping FX850, will take a look into them.   

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LOL !    .....I missed you too, Bro ! :p

 

...the last things in my ears were CKN70 and FXZ200     ....I see the Nutman's now hyping FX850, will take a look into them.   


^ ahah glad to have you back as well meng. You were a good troll your self. ;)

 

And an even better ghost to take such a long hiatus from this nut house. : P

 

Miss ya' too meng. T_T

 

Dat bromance.

 

Oh GWAD and we're talking about woodies, ehhh i don't like where this is "heading". :triportsad: 

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