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Originally Posted by DannyBai View Post


Man, I burned in the ckn70's for over 300 hours. I think I was nearing 500 by the time I got rid of them. I didn't have the same issues with the ckn50's however. Maybe I had a bad pair. I'd pick up the pistons but no need at this point and I'm sure I'll hear it eventually. Nice work on finding a budget king fellas.

 

We both have plenty to occupy us with DannyBai. You can hear the Pistons whenever you want to my friend.

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Anyone got any ideas where I'd get a 3.5mm extender (EU/UK) that will actually work with my Pistons? Not sure why the one I had didn't work but when I plugged it all the way in it was like the vocals were muffled but when it was half plugged in it was fine?

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Originally Posted by Dsnuts View Post
 

It is strange to me that sometimes things happen for a reason and I remember reading about Sony coming out with a brand new XBA-Hybrid series and it immediately got the attention of the collective at headfi.

 

After all it is SONY we are talking about..But when it comes to sound SONY is not going to back down to the likes of the many headphone manufactures based out of Japan or anywhere else for that matter...It seems just about everyone is experimenting with that magical mix of BAs and Dynamics and it was only a matter of time before SONY got in on the action.  The idea is to throw in the detail and the precision of Balanced armatures and then throw in a big Liquid Crystal Polymer 16mm Diaphragm..On paper that sounds quite exotic..In reality it is a smashing success! Read on.

 

For the guys that own one of many hybrids that are available in the market. All I can say is these are exciting times..There are so many new products that are coming out and while I had the opportunity to grab one of the earlier hybrids. I waited and saved a little here and there waiting for the right one. But a little curve ball was thrown my way.. During the recent Holidays there was such a fantastic deal for the most recent headphone from Shure.I had to jump on the deal..

 

The SRH1540s are an extremely enjoyable and immersive sounding headphone that have quickly shot up to the top of my headphone heap with ease..Not since the first time I heard my Denon D2000s have I enjoyed a bassy sound signature as much..As you guys know big bass usually means sacrificing something else in the sound...Not so with the SRH1540s..It gives a southern style helping of Bass with a lush smooth sound experience that just makes everything I hear from them sound too good to be true. I suppose you do have to be a fan of bass to fall for the sound. But for the guys that are. The cans will blow your mind. Lol.

 

Fast forward to the H3s..

 

The sound signature of these H3s are very similar to my SRH1540s... I enjoy my SRH1540s so much I was eager to get a H3 just because from sound descriptions the H3 sounded similar to that of the SRH1540s..The H3s are in fact the earphone version of what I am hearing out of my SRH1540s..It was immediately evident that there are more than a few similarities in sound tuning of both phones...

 

I still would place my SRH1540 as the most enjoyable/ technical sound out of all my phones but the recent discoveries of the Doppios and now these H3s have shown me one thing..The advances of in ears are astonishing perhaps more so now a days.

 

To me the effort put into an in ears design in sound has to be a daunting task. How do you please the masses that listen to so many types of music. Who do you please..What type of sound are you going for?..To me the tuning on these newer phones makes complete sense. These aren't a reference type sound or tuned like monitors..The H3 has one goal for the listener.. That is to truly enjoy what your listening to with a sound quality that does not skimp on anything.. Stage is full, large and dimensional and all enveloping..In fact you are literally stuffing your ears with multi speakers so it better have all of it..And all of it, it does! .With the size of the drivers in the H3s it would have been easy to overdo the bass end. The quality of the low end is there but no where near as bloated or skewed as some guys may make the bass end out to be. Overnight burn in and most of the out of box bloat is gone..To get this full warm smooth sound. It is a guess but I have a feeling the Dynamics in these phones are not just tuned for bass but also for the mids..That is the only way they are gonna get this fullness to happen..

 

The sound characteristics seems to be leaning more torward the Dynamic end smoothness and warmth more so than the BAs clinical like leaner presentations.. But the BAs are picking off the details and providing that bite and shine with the top layers of the sound which adds absolute dimension to the sound, which was placed on top of the big Dynamic just for this reason.. The end results?..You get all the fixens with your 16oz Porter house steak..Refinements abound,.Detail that starts with the highest of notes to the lowest of sub bass notes. Depth, fullness, articulation, and a good helping of some solid textured bass. An absolutely wonderful sounding pair of in ears from SONY..

 

How do the Doppios fair now that I got my H3s? To be continued..

EXCELLENT H3 review DS, thanks for the great insights into the H3 sound.. Lookin forward to your comparison with the Doppios.!!!!! please asap!  I ve been trying to order Doppios for a week from Tenso and amazon jp. but they keep messing with my password and i can't get into the sites.  changed my password ten times but it still won't work, and caused problems with my amazon us account!  and ebay price for them is a 100$ more still on Doppios. so i compromised and ordered a OMINEARPEACE on sale .  they seem to be getting quite an appreciation among head fi afficiandos.  still hope to get the Doppios pending your review comparing them to the H3s., hoping some ebay seller will match that amazon. jp. price. onward and inward, thanks for your reporting from the front.

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Originally Posted by razorblader View Post
 


I bought the UE tips from this shop in 2011:

 

http://www.handheldaudio.co.uk/Earphone-Foams-Tips-Earphones/b/2875067031?ie=UTF8&title=Earphone+Foams+%2FTips&field_brandtextbin=&field_subjectbin=&field_price=&searchRank=salesrank&searchSize=36&searchPage=1&searchBinNameList=brandtextbin%2Csubjectbin%2Cprice

 

They seem to only have the small UE tips left, there's a bunch of Shure and Westone tips on offer as well.

Thank you, for Once I'm glad for my small ear canals :L3000:

post #19295 of 32866
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

We both have plenty to occupy us with DannyBai. You can hear the Pistons whenever you want to my friend.

Very true and thank you my friend.
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
 

 

 

I bought mine from ibuygou.com. And I think it's cheaper than it was a month ago. It took me a little over 30 days to receive it though.

 

I ended up going with the second eBay link that was provided. The one at $24 from Hong Kong. They accepted $20 so seems like a good deal. "Shipped" a few hours later.

 

So far all of my orders from Hong Kong have arrived in 4-7 days. Been pretty lucky. Somehow they pass through LA customs pretty fast recently. Here's hoping.

 

It would be nice if they end up at a similar level to the CKN70s, but I'm not holding my breath. They were enjoyable in so many ways. It's too bad the peak still remained after over 250 hours of burn-in. 

 

Thanks for the links/suggestions fellas.

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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post
 

Huh, so FiiO's DAPs really are great. I'm now looking forward to getting their future X1 DAP.

If they have good DAP scaling, what about amps? I recall peter123 saying that they get a little uncontrolled when powered up, and a little testing on my end shows that their soundstage gets all messed up, and sounds a little congested in the process.


Just tried them with my X3 going into my Objective 2 (on the low gain setting) and the Pistons scale up nicely actually. Soundstage gets a bit wider and deeper and pinpoint accuracy improves as well. There's a bit more detail and finesse in the presentation, the treble is definitely present but is in no way harsh or overdone and there's very little sibilance, bass is full and rounded, mids are smooth and musical.

 

They definitely don't need an amp to sound very nice but there's a little improvement to be had from proper amping, at least with my test configuration. Have to add that my Pistons have had a burn-in and play time in excess of 80 hours and that for me the UE TF10 tips (medium) make all the difference. YMMV.

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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
 

Someone said in this post a couple of days ago that we hype things up and then move on (insinuating we build things up and then realize the products aren't as good as we initially stated). I wanted to respond to that now. I think that statement couldn't be farthest from the truth. I think what actually happens is that if we hear something we really like, we write about here enthusiastically; share the changes we hear; share discoveries about the product; and then we move on into listening bliss. I mean there is really only so much you can say about a product where it cease to be a discovery. Either others like it like you do or they don't. It doesn't mean our opinion changed at all, we just exhausted what can be said about said product without getting repetitious, or we found something we like better (doesn't mean we stopped liking the other product).

 

That brings me to the CKN70. The CKN70 I own has about 100 hours of burn-in. This is what I hope the Pistons morph into. I haven't listened to the CKN70 in quite a long time. It sounds freakin awesome (better than the Pistons and CKN50, and more clarity than the DN900 with more bass). I never thought the CKN70 was a bad sounding earphone. So why I never mention it much or listen to it as much as my others? Like the CKN50, the cord can be a bit unruly with a mind of its own (and a j-cord at that). But sound-wise, it's one of the best under $150. If the Pistons reach the CKN70s (an AT for those who don't know) sound level, it will truly be an amazing cheap little iem. Okay, I'll try do the DN-1000 comparison tomorrow. Want some more time with the  Pistons.

 

Oh no, I hope it's not like the CKN70.  I hated the CKN70 because the highs were way too harsh and bright.

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Originally Posted by Grayson73 View Post
 

 

Oh no, I hope it's not like the CKN70.  I hated the CKN70 because the highs were way too harsh and bright.

High are not harsh in the Pistons, but share a similar sound signature (with more bass).


Edited by ericp10 - 1/16/14 at 10:36am
post #19300 of 32866
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Originally Posted by DannyBai View Post


Man, I burned in the ckn70's for over 300 hours. I think I was nearing 500 by the time I got rid of them. I didn't have the same issues with the ckn50's however. Maybe I had a bad pair. I'd pick up the pistons but no need at this point and I'm sure I'll hear it eventually. Nice work on finding a budget king fellas.

Haha, I think I bought the CKN70 from DannyBai.  Maybe we both listened to a bad pair.  Notice how far down they are in my sig.

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I hear people talking about the Mikros 90.  How do they compare to JVC S500 and Takstar Pro 80?

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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
 

High are not harsh, but share a similar sound signature (with more bass).

+1. The highs on the CKN70's were never harsh to me.

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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post
 

Huh, so FiiO's DAPs really are great. I'm now looking forward to getting their future X1 DAP.

If they have good DAP scaling, what about amps? I recall peter123 saying that they get a little uncontrolled when powered up, and a little testing on my end shows that their soundstage gets all messed up, and sounds a little congested in the process.

I really like them with the X3 but with the Schiit  Magni I felt as if it lost the control and went over the top. The Magni is pretty powerfull though.

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I'll compare mikros90 against my s500 soon😎
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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post
 

Interesting read, vlenbo. You have a good night meng.

 

Thanks beatsguy! I did have one, thankfully. I read that you haven't slept, you sure you don't want at least a nap? IF you do, good night for a bit!

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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 

^ HOLY SCHIITT thanks a ton for this write-up. Appreciate the effort meng!!! :beerchug:

 

Hmmm, i am in no rush in getting them though it's just that when the prices on them drop, it would be sweet to grab a set is all. haha

 

Am kinda over that basshead iem/ can phase already but if the price is right and they are as amazing as some peps say they are then it's worth a try. :ksc75smile:

No problem, I keep my word. Well, at least most of the time.

 

Awww, so close! haha, jk. I know you'd snatch them in an instant if they were more wallet friendly. I know there's no rush, but thank you as I seemed to make you get them ASAP, lol.

 

Well, that is news to me! I thought it might not have enough of that energy you might want, so I'm trying to be careful not to hype this iem, but it does enough power in my ears. Once the price becomes right, you will not ever regret buying these, I swear it.

 

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Originally Posted by Dsnuts View Post
 

It is strange to me that sometimes things happen for a reason and I remember reading about Sony coming out with a brand new XBA-Hybrid series and it immediately got the attention of the collective at headfi.

 

After all it is SONY we are talking about..But when it comes to sound SONY is not going to back down to the likes of the many headphone manufactures based out of Japan or anywhere else for that matter...It seems just about everyone is experimenting with that magical mix of BAs and Dynamics and it was only a matter of time before SONY got in on the action.  The idea is to throw in the detail and the precision of Balanced armatures and then throw in a big Liquid Crystal Polymer 16mm Diaphragm..On paper that sounds quite exotic..In reality it is a smashing success! Read on.

 

For the guys that own one of many hybrids that are available in the market. All I can say is these are exciting times..There are so many new products that are coming out and while I had the opportunity to grab one of the earlier hybrids. I waited and saved a little here and there waiting for the right one. But a little curve ball was thrown my way.. During the recent Holidays there was such a fantastic deal for the most recent headphone from Shure.I had to jump on the deal..

 

The SRH1540s are an extremely enjoyable and immersive sounding headphone that have quickly shot up to the top of my headphone heap with ease..Not since the first time I heard my Denon D2000s have I enjoyed a bassy sound signature as much..As you guys know big bass usually means sacrificing something else in the sound...Not so with the SRH1540s..It gives a southern style helping of Bass with a lush smooth sound experience that just makes everything I hear from them sound too good to be true. I suppose you do have to be a fan of bass to fall for the sound. But for the guys that are. The cans will blow your mind. Lol.

 

Fast forward to the H3s..

 

The sound signature of these H3s are very similar to my SRH1540s... I enjoy my SRH1540s so much I was eager to get a H3 just because from sound descriptions the H3 sounded similar to that of the SRH1540s..The H3s are in fact the earphone version of what I am hearing out of my SRH1540s..It was immediately evident that there are more than a few similarities in sound tuning of both phones...

 

I still would place my SRH1540 as the most enjoyable/ technical sound out of all my phones but the recent discoveries of the Doppios and now these H3s have shown me one thing..The advances of in ears are astonishing perhaps more so now a days.

 

To me the effort put into an in ears design in sound has to be a daunting task. How do you please the masses that listen to so many types of music. Who do you please..What type of sound are you going for?..To me the tuning on these newer phones makes complete sense. These aren't a reference type sound or tuned like monitors..The H3 has one goal for the listener.. That is to truly enjoy what your listening to with a sound quality that does not skimp on anything.. Stage is full, large and dimensional and all enveloping..In fact you are literally stuffing your ears with multi speakers so it better have all of it..And all of it, it does! .With the size of the drivers in the H3s it would have been easy to overdo the bass end. The quality of the low end is there but no where near as bloated or skewed as some guys may make the bass end out to be. Overnight burn in and most of the out of box bloat is gone..To get this full warm smooth sound. It is a guess but I have a feeling the Dynamics in these phones are not just tuned for bass but also for the mids..That is the only way they are gonna get this fullness to happen..

 

The sound characteristics seems to be leaning more torward the Dynamic end smoothness and warmth more so than the BAs clinical like leaner presentations.. But the BAs are picking off the details and providing that bite and shine with the top layers of the sound which adds absolute dimension to the sound, which was placed on top of the big Dynamic just for this reason.. The end results?..You get all the fixens with your 16oz Porter house steak..Refinements abound,.Detail that starts with the highest of notes to the lowest of sub bass notes. Depth, fullness, articulation, and a good helping of some solid textured bass. An absolutely wonderful sounding pair of in ears from SONY..

 

How do the Doppios fair now that I got my H3s? To be continued..

Brilliant write up DS, sir!

 

My theory on that bloat is due to that smooth and warm sound it has. That's just a guess, but the way the bass portrays itself on these iems, and the good amount of it are the reason why it sounds bloaty to people. It still sounds bloaty to me, but it's kept to a bare minimum now. I didnt burn them fully in yet, and that is pretty impressive to say the least, now to wait for it to tighten up.

 

Some heafiers had the ex1000s, and based their impressions of the bass on the ex1000 as a better quality than the h-3s. Yet, there is a difference of bass quantity between the two. I think it was high expectations or something else entirely.

 

Btw, 

Mind if I guess on those comparisons? :tongue:

 

The Doppios are tuned to be a bit more monitor like, especially since the sound is cleaner than the h-3's, resulting in a thinner sound, but not as thin as some BAs (like those blasted ck10s, this is me speaking that though). 

 

The mids between the two are different, the sonys are warmer, lusher, and the doppios dryer, clearer. 

 

The highs are slightly brighter on the doppios than the sony's, which can be a deal breaker for some on the sony camp, but the sonys do not lack extension, sound rolled off, and they are pretty detailed for its liquid crystal diaphram.

 

The soundstage differences between the two is like this. 

 

The doppios have that air due to the cleanness of its spectrum, which makes the soundstage sound like a concert outside, but it sounds like you're in the near the front row of the audience as you hear the band closer to you, compared to the h-3s. The soundstage is above average, but the h-3s take it to a hyperdimensional level!

 

I don't know how'd you describe the soundstage though, and I'm just spewing predictions, lol. I hope this doesn't come off as a rude thing, I just want to guess what you'd say about the comparison is all.

 

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Originally Posted by peter123 View Post
 

WOW, you know you're in the wrong part of the world when you wake up and theres over 100 unread posts in one thread!

 

No point in even trying to find all the post I would like to quote to comment on them so I just list some thoughts and since I'm a obstinate son of a bitch I'm going to disagree with just about everyone:

 

Altough I really enjoy the CKN70's as well I do prefer the Piston's due to it's better bass and more air. My Piston's has more the 50 hours on them now so that might be a part of explaining this, other explanation will of course be different taste/preferences. As I mentioned earlier I think the Piston's are equally good as my Monster Gratitudes wich originally was sold for oves $200 so at least the compete with some $200 IEM's.

 

In oppsoite to some other(s) I really enjoy the Piston's direct from the Fiio X3, best match to my ears so far. Now if I could only find that Ipod toch of mine...................

 

How one can read the last 10 pages of this thread and come to the conclusion that the hype of the $19 Piston's is just hype is beyond my understanding. I've got both the Piston's and the Havi B3 and they are VERY different but as for now I would not rate the B3's higher.

 

Eric: I really appreciate the comparision between the CKN70 and IM70!

 

Vlenbo and DS: Nice write-ups!

ThatBeatsguy: Well played in the quoting game, now that's Forum Post Etiquette :gs1000smile:

 

Bhazard: Enjoy Vegas, crazy place!

 

Those AX35 really sounds temtpting, I'm hoping for more impressions soon.

 

Tell me about it, I just found that out this morning, lol. And thanks man, and hope that bhazard has a nice trip as well.

 

Nice impressions, I wonder if the bass is all that...I'm tempted..

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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post
 

     Hmph, I get the same problem...It's morning for the 'Muricans when I'm asleep. And dem 'Muricans post fast

And thanks for the compliment! Don't wanna be a n00b no more; gotta be the Pro like dem (quoting Masa' Walka) "pro Beaters" I got up in my avi.

Go become pro, beats guy, upgrade yourself to that stature! We'll be waiting, :P 

 

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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
 

I have to admit, the Pistons have a very nice refined and rich sound quality coming out of the X3. Still not hitting the level of a good pair of burned in CKN70s to me, but don't get me wrong, these are some very nice cheapies. I could get to CKN70 level (or surpass it). We'll see if it keep going on this path. I'm loving what it is doing for my jazz tracks.

 

Nice write up eric, those were good comparisons, the dunu-900 vs the pistons was a mind boggling moment for me. I was anticipating the DN1000 right after I read the ckn50 and the piston showdowns. I at least got some ckn70 vs im70 and piston goodness, :)

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Originally Posted by DannyBai View Post


If it removes that treble spike of the ckn70's then the pistons would be an ideal alternative.

 

I'm with danny's ears on this one, I still heard the treble a bit spicy to my liking. But..dang man, you guys seriously didn't think that the mids were silibant? Especially the upper mids? It destroyed whatever was left of my love for monitor tuned mids! (Until I got them smoothed out with the m200s and h-3s, then I enjoyed hearing the im-02s). I tried burning them in, and the mids did relax a bit, but they were still annoying to hear, I thought the vocals sounded unnatural due to this.

 

If anything, my opinion differs on the ckn70s impressions we all had. The first minute I heard them, the moment I loathed them.

 

Now though, I enjoy them and will not let anyone touch them! It's beautiful, with great crunchy mids, awesome bass, and hot highs.

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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
 

 

 

Ironically, DannyBai, the treble pike smoothed out for me considerably in the CKN70 after a good burn-in (I know you and I both have similar problems with harsh treble). But I would say that the treble in the Pistons is a bit smoother off the back than the CKN70s treble. I cannot stand harsh treble (one of the reasons I don't care for the EX-1000 or EX-600). I think you would be pleasant surprised in hearing the Pistons. I certainly am.

^still didn't smooth it out entirely for me, but it was a great amount of smoothing that helped me stay satisfied with my purchase.

 

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Originally Posted by DannyBai View Post


Man, I burned in the ckn70's for over 300 hours. I think I was nearing 500 by the time I got rid of them. I didn't have the same issues with the ckn50's however. Maybe I had a bad pair. I'd pick up the pistons but no need at this point and I'm sure I'll hear it eventually. Nice work on finding a budget king fellas.

 

Maybe some of us are more fragile to the silibance? I don't know to be honest, but I know that the highs were not so friendly with me, until they smoothed out to the point where they were only bright for me. Still a bit spicy, though..

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Originally Posted by drbluenewmexico View Post
 

EXCELLENT H3 review DS, thanks for the great insights into the H3 sound.. Lookin forward to your comparison with the Doppios.!!!!! please asap!  I ve been trying to order Doppios for a week from Tenso and amazon jp. but they keep messing with my password and i can't get into the sites.  changed my password ten times but it still won't work, and caused problems with my amazon us account!  and ebay price for them is a 100$ more still on Doppios. so i compromised and ordered a OMINEARPEACE on sale .  they seem to be getting quite an appreciation among head fi afficiandos.  still hope to get the Doppios pending your review comparing them to the H3s., hoping some ebay seller will match that amazon. jp. price. onward and inward, thanks for your reporting from the front.

 

Awww dang it meng, you have to have balls of steel! It's good though, I hope there's a way you can resolve the password problem. I also hope you enjoy them oem audio innear peace....IN EAR PIECE....IN EAR PEACE? don't know, really!

 

Trust me when I say that there will be an ebay seller up to this month that will match them, as it doesn't take long for those vultures to realize that their sales aren't getting anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Grayson73 View Post
 

Haha, I think I bought the CKN70 from DannyBai.  Maybe we both listened to a bad pair.  Notice how far down they are in my sig.

Pretty low...

 

I agree! To an extent..I still like them ckn70s, liked them better burned-in than out of box. I wish the rings were removed though, they were a bit annoying to me, as well as that grotesque cable! Bleh, it was such an awkward move on At's part.


Edited by vlenbo - 1/16/14 at 11:23am
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