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Originally Posted by 1ofamillion View Post
 

 

Hopefully! Sorry if my previous posts were confusing, I was searching as I posted haha

No problem at all, thanks for looking!  I should've done the same myself before I impulse ordered them!!

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IEM comparison
 
TDK BA200 (stock comply tips).
VSonic GR07 MK2 (largest stock purple tips)
Monster Gratitude (Meelectronics double flanged tips)
Zero Audio Carbo Tenore (Meelectronics double flanged tips)
Zero Audio Carbo Basso (Meelectronics double flanged tips)
HiFiman RE400 (Meelectronics double flanged tips)
 
Music preferences:  Rock and Pop.  
 
I would rank them as following:  Tenore > BA200 > Gratitude > GR07 MK2 > Basso > RE400.  Shocking, but you'll see why.
 
Treble:  Gratitude and GR07 MK2 sound the brightest, then Tenore, then Basso, then BA200.  I think the RE400 is equal to the Gratitude/GR07 MK2 or Tenore,  but don't recall exactly.  I found that the Gratitude was tuned too high (e.g. snare drums sound too bright).  BA200 treble is too smooth and not enough quantity.  Tenore is my favorite in this category because they aren't as smooth as BA200 and not as harsh as Gratitude/GR07 MK2.
 
Mids:   For vocals, the best are Tenore and BA200.  Female vocals sound like they are in the room singing to you and are so buttery; gives me chills.  I give a slight edge to Tenore because they sound more airy.  Gratitudes are clear but singer sounds farther away.
 
Bass:  My favorite in this category is the Gratitude.  In terms of quantity, Basso > Gratitude > Tenore > BA200=GR07 MK2 > RE400.  However, I found the Basso to have too much bass and not as good mids.  Gratitude has the best quality bass.  For my tastes, Gratitude and Tenore have the quantity that I desire.  Tenore bass hits hard enough and is punchy.  Bassos have too much and BA200, GR07 MK2, and RE400 have too little.
 
Detail:  GR07 MK2 and Gratitude have the most detail (and maybe RE400), then Tenore and Basso then BA200.
 
Efficiency:  GR07 MK2 is the most efficient, then Gratitude, BA200, Tenore/Basso.  Don't have the RE400 any longer to compare.
 
My favorite is the Tenore because they sound the most natural and true to life and they have the combination and quantity of bass/mid/treble that I desire.  Female vocals give me chills and have the most texture.  Next would be BA200 (smooth and great mids) and Gratitude (big and energetic).  Basso has too much bass and GR07 MK2 and RE400 had too little bass and sounded a little boring.
 
 
Improvements to my favorite 4 that I would love to find
 
Tenore: Would like slightly darker tuning (but not as dark as BA200), and bass quality of the Gratitude
BA200:  Would like more bass, more treble extension.
Gratitude:  Love the bass quantity and quality, detail, and treble extension.  Wish they were tuned darker so that they would sound more natural and true to life.  Snare drums too bright sounding.
GR07 MK2:  Would like more bass (maybe I'd like the Bass Edition?)
 
Any suggestions on what would fit the sound sig I'm looking for?  They need to have incredible vocals, have life-like tuning, quality bass and decent quantity bass, and detailed, but slightly smooth treble.
 
M200, MA750, S2, IM70?

Edited by Grayson73 - 12/27/13 at 8:58am
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Yeah, I'm finding it hard to find a definitive upgrade from my Bassos that doesn't have issues with fit, weight etc.

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I don't post much over here, but because of this thread, I bought the JVC HA-S500 and the Sony MH1C and lately the Yamaha HPH-200.

The Yamaha have only 12 hours of break-in.

The bass and mid-bass were missing so I have put tape on the front ports to increase mid-bass and ....

 

Listening HD version of Alan Parsons Project Eye in the Sky (96Khz) am in paradise. It has been a long time since I haven't enjoyed a song that much. The sound stage is Wide and the sound is just...right and I can listen louder, not that I should.

 

In comparison the HA-S500 sounds flawed like listening through a tin can plus the sound stage suddenly collapses and the bass is so overwhelming. The JVC is a fun can no doubt but not what I would call natural or neutral sounding. Maybe for electronica the S500 is better but I don't care. Plus I have never been able to listen to the JVC for long. I wear glasses and can't stand the clamping of the S500.

 

Listening to the Sony, I can hear some resonance/distortion, bearable but its there. Unless you compare directly you are not aware of this distortion. I'm no expert but I think that in-ear has the disadvantage of using a small tube from the driver to the tip. I guess this what causes what I hear as resonance, it muddies the mid-range. And again the soundstage is narrower but not to the extend of the JVC. Still it is narrow compared to the open Yamaha. But I think that the Sony extends beautifully in the treble. The Yamaha losses on treble vs the Sony. Mid and Soundstage HPH-200 win.

 

I also have an old full size 150Ohm Sennheiser HD565. Virtually no bass in comparison to the Yamaha. The Senn is so comfortable that sometimes I forget I am wearing a headphone. On comfort it's a win from the Senn. Treble also a win from the Senn, not much but still win. Soundstage and Mid are almost the same. Midbass and bass a big win from the Yamaha... plus the HPH-200 is easier to drive. You don't need a dedicated amp and I can wear it at the office without looking weird.

 

I can only expect that the sound gets better with break-in (burn-in?) of the drivers. I know on comfort it will never attain the level of the Sennheiser but I can wear it for some time without too much discomfort.

 

So a big kudos/thank you/merci for those who took the time to introduce this headphone here.

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Another question.  In terms of over-ear headphones, are the Fidelio X1 still the ones to get at $300 and the Yamaha HPH-200 at $150?

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Originally Posted by Grayson73 View Post
 

Another question.  In terms of over-ear headphones, are the Fidelio X1 still the ones to get at $300 and the Yamaha HPH-200 at $150?

If I were allowed to spend $500 on headphones, I'd get the X1 and a great amp. IMHO, the X1s are my home use end-game. Period.

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Originally Posted by Grayson73 View Post
 

Another question.  In terms of over-ear headphones, are the Fidelio X1 still the ones to get at $300 and the Yamaha HPH-200 at $150?

 

The HPH-200 is an on-ear, not over-the-ear. Get the X1 and wait for some other new models to come out. I should have the Thinksound next week. I'm expecting big things from that headphone. 

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Originally Posted by IEMagnet01 View Post
 

Well my KEF M200's already are faulty. Three days of light use, and the woofer in the left ear already went dead. I'm incredibly disappointed. Contacted customer support by e-mail. Let's see what they say when I hear back?

 

fnkcow and I had the same exact issue (left side, low frequency driver) occur after about 2 weeks of ownership back in September. My replacement pair hasn't skipped a beat the past couple months so I think there may have been a bad batch.

 

I haven't had too much of an urge to try anything new thanks to ericp10 who has kept the M200 in high regard even after trying the newest and latest IEMs out there. That, and the M200 sounds oh so good. :etysmile: 


Edited by PeterDLai - 12/27/13 at 8:08pm
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Originally Posted by PeterDLai View Post
 

 

Me and fnkcow had the same exact issue (left side, low frequency driver) occur after about 2 weeks of ownership back in September. My replacement pair hasn't skipped a beat the past couple months so I think there may have been a bad batch.

 

I haven't had too much of an urge to try anything new thanks to ericp10 who has kept the M200 in high regard even after trying the newest and latest IEMs out there. That, and the M200 sounds oh so good. :etysmile:

 

 

:beerchug:

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I've had a bit of time with my ATH-S500's over the past few days, and I am really loving them. They have a very distinctive 'fun' signature. Unfortunately I can't compare them with the JVC S500, but I do have the S400, and the AT's blow them out of the water in sound quality. The JVC's have nicer pads but that's about it. I also compared them with my Creative Aurvana Live, and the CAL's have the more sparkly treble between them, but the AT's have a more robust bass and more intimate, rich mids . The CAL also has a slightly larger soundstage and better comfort, but by no means are the AT's uncomfortable. 

 

The only complaint I have witht the AT's is the lack of headband cushion. I don't know why any company would put out a headphone without padding on the headband. It doesn't impact on the comfort for me, but I find it looks a bit ugly.

 

Overall, these headphones are the real deal. They go for like $40 on CDJapan, and for that price, I'm really not sure what more you could ask for. They won't satisfy those looking for accuracy, but they are hella fun for not much cash. 

 

Ps - The AT IM50's are pretty incredible too. Balanced, slightly warm, and very good value. 

 

(My new loves)

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Originally Posted by PeterDLai View Post

fnkcow and I had the same exact issue (left side, low frequency driver) occur after about 2 weeks of ownership back in September. My replacement pair hasn't skipped a beat the past couple months so I think there may have been a bad batch.

I haven't had too much of an urge to try anything new thanks to ericp10 who has kept the M200 in high regard even after trying the newest and latest IEMs out there. That, and the M200 sounds oh so good. etysmile.gif  
I'm still dealing with KEF customer service as they ask more questions and not enough " ok, send in your pair OR ok, we'll send you a new pair." Waiting...waiting.

The issue is that I have the very same feeling. I saw Eric talking up the M200, and I took the plunge on them. Turns out he was 100% RIGHT, and I'm enthralled and amazed by their sound. Sooo good. More engaging than my TF10, and I want that back. Grrrr the M200!
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The best male jazz singer out there today, and this simply sounds marvelous through the H3.

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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
 

 

The best male jazz singer out there today, and this simply sounds marvelous through the H3.

Thanks, Eric! This was a sweet listen!

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Thanks, Eric! This was a sweet listen!

You are quite welcome. beerchug.gif
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Not to take anything away from Gregory Porter, but it begs the question, how many great male jazz singers are outthere these days (hint :not many...)?
Edited by doctorjazz - 12/28/13 at 4:49pm
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