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post #17251 of 32903
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

Any recommendations? Been through a bunch and no luck.

 

If I can find one... these will be hard to beat. 

TF10 tips do it for me
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00840PBRA/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

Or Auvio tips

Or Comply TS-500

post #17252 of 32903
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Accessories4less.com, $119.99

Thanks doctorjazz for the link. Guess I'm a little late checking back due to work and the price have went up. Anyway, appreciate that you took the time to post the link.
post #17253 of 32903
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

Any recommendations? Been through a bunch and no luck.

 

If I can find one... these will be hard to beat. 

 

I read your earlier post about the problems with the right driver popping out of your ear. Had the exact same problem. I could hold them in and be tortured by how they should sound, but as soon as I stopped holding them, they would pop out and the seal would be lost. Made me sad :(

 

Luckily for me though my cardboard seller sent along a few extra tips (thanks cardboard seller!), including the Phillips SHE9700 tips. The ultra-soft rubber material on the rubber caps is sensational to the touch and adapts effortlessly to your ear. In-ear headphones have never been this comfortable lol. Seems to be working for me for a maintained seal. Also, using other various tips did not feel comfortable after a while, but these ones do - I have been listening to the M200's for hours with these tips and haven't thought about comfort at all. So worth giving them a shot if you can find them. 

 

A few more notes: at this point I am really preferring the smaller bore variants. Also, I got good advice from cardboard seller and ericp10 on how to use the ear guides properly to improve the fit and seal. Thanks guys!

 

I have a few more tips coming from DannyBai (the large stock tips which I am missing, plus a few others including some TF10 tips that might work great), so I'll keep you posted. Thanks DannyBai!


Edited by waynes world - 12/3/13 at 6:37pm
post #17254 of 32903

Well here is a little added something I just shared with DannyBai and waynes world:

Okay, I had to A/B the IM70 and AX-60, because I was scared about what I was hearing. A/Bing, the AX-60 is still ahead in overall clarity and transparency, but the IM70 is oooooh so damn close! And the IM70 is a bit more airier in the mids, but the AX-60 wins when you A/B. As for fullness, the IM70 is a tad bit (and I mean tad bit) under the AX-60. Whew... Thought I was going to have to sell my AX-60, but it's still of enough difference in sound. These larger audio companies are making price conscious IEMs that are just under the top and upper-mid tiers. And in some cases (M200) right there with them. The IM70 is right under there without burn-in. And I mean close to some of the more pricier IEMs I've heard. 

 

So yes, before I get a bunch of emails, the IM70 sounds better to my ears than the W4, TF10, TDK IE800 (another dual dynamic doesn't compete at all, and that's a very good sounding IEM to my ears), and BA200. Right now it's hanging tough with the AX-60 and DN-1K. I'm about to check it out against it's cousin, the CKS1000. 

post #17255 of 32903

Having the same fit problem (I ALWAYS have fit problems, especially with shallow fit iem's). Have Comply TSX on now, not bad, think it could still be better, but they do sound good. When I have a chance (likely sometime in 2016), I'll play with the master tip collection and see what is the best I can do. 

post #17256 of 32903
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yep, saw that deal. much better. thanks for the thread link

Placed an Oder last night and just got an email confirmed that shipment wad made as well as tracking number, very very impressive service.
post #17257 of 32903
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Originally Posted by fnkcow View Post
 

TF10 tips do it for me
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00840PBRA/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

Or Auvio tips

Or Comply TS-500

Found some large random silicone tips that work. Way more tolerable now.

 

Been A/B testing back and forth between the M200 and the Moxpad... and I feel like they relate kind of how the GR07 and VSD1S do.

 

The Moxpad is more mid forward and slightly boosted in the lower high range. Bass is similar between both, with less of a boost and more refinement on the M200. Clarity is also close, but again more refined on the M200. It almost sounds like the Moxpad is 75-80% of what the M200 is, at 10% of the price. Could be new device hype syndrome, but I got them a day apart.

 

It takes a lot more power to drive the KEF as well. They don't do well on my Nexus 5.

 

I'm starting to see that dual drivers (and triple, quad, etc) are able to deliver that extra bit of clarity that one driver has trouble achieving. Not to say single drivers sound bad, not at all, but there is a higher ceiling of what seems possible going dual.

 

To shrink a crossover down to fit in an ear, is just awesome.

 

For reference, these are my "dual driver" 2 way crossovers for my DIY speakers.... I don't think these are going in anyone's ear. Yes, I know a speaker and 10mm drivers are quite different, but this gives a good idea of what is going on before sound reaches your ear.

 

*

 

 

So yeah, the Moxpad is awesome, and the KEF is fantastic.


Edited by bhazard - 12/3/13 at 7:48pm
post #17258 of 32903

Okay, ATH-IM70 vs. ATH-CKS1000:

 

Both are full sounding, but the IM70 how sound spectrum is more forward, yet the soundstage sounds a bit wider than the CKS1000. The CKS1000's mids are a somewhat recessed compared to the Im70.

 

The IM70 has an airier sound than the CKS1000. Remember I said earlier that the IM70 is an "almost basshead" iem? Well the CKS1000 is DEFINITELY a basshead  iem. You clearly hear the difference, But where the CKS1000 gives you thicker bass, it also gives you notes that are a bit syrupy and muddy. It has excellent detail, but it's pushing toward muddy.

 

The IM70, on the other hand, is airier and breathes better throughout the whole sound spectrum. The IM70 is more balanced in its sound, where the CKS1000 is unique in how it throws sound into your ear. Some instruments sound clearly out of your head. The IM70 doesn't do that, but it give a rich full airy sound within your ears. So both may be equal in fullness of sound, but throw the sound into your ears in their own unique way. I think the CKS1000 may be technically superior than the IM70, but the new AT is funner and easier on the ears to listen too. The CKS1000 gives you thick notes, but it makes you pay attention to the bass. In contrast, the bass is deep and rich in the IM70, but it doesn't demand that you pay attention to it as the bass does in the CKS1000. You can appreciate the whole sound better with the IM70. And the IM70 is definitely more mid-focused. 

 

I haven't listened to the CKS1000 in awhile, and almost forgot how good it really is, but it's a basshead earphone. You're a basshead, this is one of the best to own. The IM70  IS NOT a basshead earphone, but it happens to have some terrific bass. The CKS1000 pushes into a bit of muddiness compared to the IM70. This will come down to sound preference, because really to my ears is not better than the other.They're both excellent, but I prefer the more open and airy IM70. I think technically the CKS1000 is a bit more superior. Drums and acoustic guitars sound wonderful with CKS1000. Strings, electric guitars, piano, and horns sound wonderful from the IM70. Vocals are nice in both (more forward in the CKS100). I think imaging is better in the CKS1000, but instrument separation may be better in the IM70. What's the difference? Imaging is more about where the instruments are placed than separation (which is more about the space surrounding the instruments). So both are great for different reasons, which makes them nearly a tie. This is more about how good the IM70 is than how bad the CKS1000 is (and the CKS1000 isn't by any stretch of the imagination bad).

 

With the Monster hybrid tips the IM70 is somewhat more refined than the CKS1000.


Edited by ericp10 - 12/3/13 at 8:46pm
post #17259 of 32903

Eric... I'll get to your IM70/CKS1000 post in a second...

 

But first, a wise man once said about the M200's... "The sub-bass is epic"/ 

 

23 seconds into this tune with the M200's (and proper fit/seal!), and yeah, epic sub-bass is in it's full glory :)

 

 

post #17260 of 32903
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
 

Okay, ATH-IM70 vs. ATH-CKS1000:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Both are full sounding, but the IM70 how sound spectrum is more forward, yet the soundstage sounds a bit wider than the CKS1000. The CKS1000's mids are a somewhat recessed compared to the Im70.

 

The IM70 has an airier sound than the CKS1000. Remember I said earlier that the IM70 is an "almost basshead" iem? Well the CKS1000 is DEFINITELY a basshead  iem. You clearly hear the difference, But where the CKS1000 gives you thicker bass, it also gives you notes that are a bit syrupy and muddy. It has excellent detail, but it's pushing toward muddy.

 

The IM70, on the other hand, is airier and breathes better throughout the whole sound spectrum. The IM70 is more balanced in its sound, where the CKS1000 is unique in how it throws sound into your ear. Some instruments sound clearly out of your head. The IM70 doesn't do that, but it give a rich full airy sound within your ears. So both may be equal in fullness of sound, but throw the sound into your ears in their own unique way. I think the CKS1000 may be technically superior than the IM70, but the new AT is funner and easier on the ears to listen too. The CKS1000 gives you thick notes, but it makes you pay attention to the bass. In contrast, the bass is deep and rich in the IM70, but it doesn't demand that you pay attention to it as the bass does in the CKS1000. You can appreciate the whole sound better with the IM70. And the IM70 is definitely more mid-focused. 

 

I haven't listened to the CKS1000 in awhile, and almost forgot how good it really is, but it's a basshead earphone. You're a basshead, this is one of the best to own. The IM70  IS NOT a basshead earphone, but it happens to have some terrific bass. The CKS1000 pushes into a bit of muddiness compared to the IM70. This will come down to sound preference, because really to my ears is not better than the other.They're both excellent, but I prefer the more open and airy IM70. I think technically the CKS1000 is a bit more superior. Drums and acoustic guitars sound wonderful with CKS1000. Strings, electric guitars, piano, and horns sound wonderful from the IM70. Vocals are nice in both (more forward in the CKS100). I think imaging is better in the CKS1000, but instrument separation may be better in the IM70. What's the difference? Imaging is more about where the instruments are placed than separation (which is more about the space surrounding the instruments). So both are great for different reasons, which makes them nearly a tie. This is more about how good the IM70 is than how bad the CKS1000 is (and the CKS1000 isn't by any stretch of the imagination bad).

 

With the Monster hybrid tips the IM70 is somewhat more refined than the CKS1000.

 

 

Wow - thanks for those impressions! The IM70 sound like a winner, especially for the price. Awesome.

post #17261 of 32903
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

Eric... I'll get to your IM70/CKS1000 post in a second...

 

But first, a wise man once said about the M200's... "The sub-bass is epic"/ 

 

23 seconds into this tune with the M200's (and proper fit/seal!), and yeah, epic sub-bass is in it's full glory :)

 

 

 

 

One of the best albums of the year, and sounds off the map with the M200!!

post #17262 of 32903
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

 

One of the best albums of the year, and sounds off the map with the M200!!

 

Yup. Hard not to enjoy either!

 

Wow... $150 for the XBA-4IP:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/840220-REG/Sony_XBA_4IP_XBA_4IP_Balanced_Armature_Headphones.html

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^ Damn it ericp the way you are describing them makes them sound sooooo sweet!!!

 

Just wondering if these sound anything like your ASG 2s in presentation/ characteristics??? What i mean by this how natural do they sound, is there a lot of sparkle to the treble/ lushness to the mids, what about the texture of them, does the bass has great depth/ texture/ lushness to it (more sub bass of more mid bass)???

 

For me despite many complain that these ASG 2 lack the sub bass and has more of a mid bass emphasis/ hump, they have a pretty damn nice mid bass quality to them. Oh man esp. with the clear Ortofon tips they give these ASG 2 crazy amounts of sparkle/ tighter more cohesive bass impact and depth. Lets just say that for me the black stock tips does not do justice to these ASG 2. :)

 

edit: forgot to mention how atmospheric is their presentation, by this i mean their 3Dness, instrument layering, separation / overall roominess/ head stage compared to the ASG 2s???

 

Just asking now cuz want to see how they compare, but you don't have to answer this early cuz these are so new without much break in so... take your time meng. :)

... :tongue:


Edited by sfwalcer - 12/3/13 at 11:42pm
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@ ericp - How does the IM70 compare to the MA750?
post #17265 of 32903
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@ ericp - How does the IM70 compare to the MA750?

This is exactly what I want to ask coz from your impression IM70 should sound very close to MA750
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