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DS or anyone, if you go back to the RMAS show, check out MOJO audIo, where Benjamin Zweikel is creating some amazing mojo!  NOS based dac, and single point speakers with with allan heath organ amps.  spectacular sound, not headphones, but worthy of a visit.  

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I don't think I'm going to upgrade to the CKS1000; I think they'd be too big for me to get a nice fit. My Bassos have a tiny footprint in comparison.

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I don't mind differing opinions...man, it would be weird if everyone thought/felt the same about everything (I think they call that totalitarianism, at least the attempt to make everyone think the same). It gets problematic when people feel they have the TRUTH (look at what's going on in the government now-how can you reason with anyone else if you know the absolute truth!). Being an old time audiophile, been there/done that many times. Measurements/"objectivists" vs subjuctivists. Is it only good if it measures good? This was hashed in digital vs solid state argumenst, analog vs digital arguments, on and on. The "truth", of course, is somewhere in the middle. Measurements can be useful, but what you are measuring has to be significant to what you are hearing (distortion on early solid state gear, for instance, out the 10 decimal points, made it "obvious" it was better than tube gear, same with digital gear...nobody knew about jitter initially, CD was "perfect sound forever". If you test peoples' hearing, we all hear differently, lose high frequencies as we age, have different shaped canals and heads, so "1 curve fits all" seems impossible. Seems to me curves are more useful for comparing 1 headphone to another, but won't tell you what it actually sounds like. Heck, high end stuff that measures no better than a $50 knock off KILL the low price gear (I know, this is not universal or strictly price correlated), but graphs will only say if there is something egregious wrong, not what it sounds like on their own. I definitely hear differences between components/cables/headphones, some large, some subtle, often not making one piece great or crappy, but some coloration that is there. No one has to believe in this, of course, but I'm not sure what's the point of following threads on head fi if you can reach audio nirvana with a $20 set of Philips headphones,a phone and EQ...must be better things to do in spare time if all else is magic/wishful thinking/fraud.

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The only reason that happens is because people get all super personally butthurt when he says something disagreeable, which is often because it's set around a very tight set of expectations of sound quality. He makes a post and instead of being like, ok that makes sense for where he's coming from, everyone goes ballistic as if they did not see it coming.

I don't see how personal expectations can be so mismanaged to not be able to understand his position and work with it or around it. It's not like it changes dynamically and tbh It's not any different than the inverse of this thread's dynamic.

So instead, **** blows up.

But passing the buck isn't doing yourselves any favors. And to the guy above that said he's misguiding consumers or whatever, do tell me how he's doing any better a job of that than 95% of everything across these forums?
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I don't think I'm going to upgrade to the CKS1000; I think they'd be too big for me to get a nice fit. My Bassos have a tiny footprint in comparison.

I like the CKS1000, but I had a hell of a time getting a decent fit on them...I seem to be the exception here on this, but they are shaped oddly and took a lot of effort (and Complys, finally) to get them acceptable (not perfect, mind you, but good enough) (Have the Tenores, much more comfortable)

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BAM BITCHES!!!!


updated MX10 impressions later today along with what i think about the eClaro

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It's fairly easy to tell when inks has been in a thread, I picked it up just by reading the last post on the main board. There's total aftermath from the destruction.
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It's fairly easy to tell when inks has been in a thread, I picked it up just by reading the last post on the main board. There's total aftermath from the destruction.

And I think that might be a sign that a bit of introspection is in order.
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And I think that might be a sign that a bit of introspection is in order.

 

I dunno man. It seems to me that if you set up an experiment in which you introduce a stimulus to different control groups, each with different characteristics, and they all react the same, is it that the subjects are the root cause...or is it the stimulus?

 

There are ways to get your points across without basically calling a product crap, which is what is done on a regular basis. That is what causes issues and gets people offended, not his technical opinion.

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And I think that might be a sign that a bit of introspection is in order.

Well its gone for quite a few pages, I suggest everyone calm down and get back to the topic at hand. Yes, Inks causes quite a stir, I've seen the SM64 thread completely ruined, it's a total mess. I suggest if many people are bothered gather a party and do things property by hitting the report button, otherwise this going back forth can go on for days. Literally.
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OK, back to the Pioneer HDJ-2000. I do like these, not a bad buy for $140. Charged up my National portable amp, went X3/National with silver cable previously mentioned. These babies do scale up, sound good straight from X3, tighten up with the amp. They still have a nice way of presenting detail, not in your face, softer, but it's there, have to listen for it rather than it being thrust out (haven't done head to head, but I belive the M-L Mykros 90 still has more detail). What I really like is the way it presents bass...this is of course one of the areas people disagree most, but to me, it gets it right. Not too much, too boomy, but not too little that you have to listen for it, good amount to move beat-centric music forward well, detailed without being edgy (interesting for what is marketed as a DJ headphone...you'd expect overwhelming bass). Has a mono switch, have no clue why or when I'd want to use it, do DJ's have a need for this? Anyway, good buy for the do-re-me imo (they also feel nicely built, don't look geeky when worn in public)

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Originally Posted by Mackem View Post
 

I don't think I'm going to upgrade to the CKS1000; I think they'd be too big for me to get a nice fit. My Bassos have a tiny footprint in comparison.

 

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Originally Posted by doctorjazz View Post
 

I like the CKS1000, but I had a hell of a time getting a decent fit on them...I seem to be the exception here on this, but they are shaped oddly and took a lot of effort (and Complys, finally) to get them acceptable (not perfect, mind you, but good enough) (Have the Tenores, much more comfortable)

 

The CKS1000 housing is big, but the parts that fit into the ear canals are only the nozzles, which are Comply T400 diameter sizes, smaller compared to the M200 nozzles diameter that are slightly bigger than Comply T500 sizes. It only requires a shallow fit.

 

I find the stock AT eartips poor fit, comfort and SQ wise. Seriously they need to redesign them, 

I would recommend TF10 tips or Auvio tips from Radioshack

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OK, back to the Pioneer HDJ-2000. I do like these, not a bad buy for $140. Charged up my National portable amp, went X3/National with silver cable previously mentioned. These babies do scale up, sound good straight from X3, tighten up with the amp. They still have a nice way of presenting detail, not in your face, softer, but it's there, have to listen for it rather than it being thrust out (haven't done head to head, but I belive the M-L Mykros 90 still has more detail). What I really like is the way it presents bass...this is of course one of the areas people disagree most, but to me, it gets it right. Not too much, too boomy, but not too little that you have to listen for it, good amount to move beat-centric music forward well, detailed without being edgy (interesting for what is marketed as a DJ headphone...you'd expect overwhelming bass). Has a mono switch, have no clue why or when I'd want to use it, do DJ's have a need for this? Anyway, good buy for the do-re-me imo (they also feel nicely built, don't look geeky when worn in public)


i might try to get the leather pads off them since they look like they fit the MX10 and them 2000s ahve been a long lusted for can of mine i diffinetly need to grab a pair for myself :)

 

oh for anyone looking to use the eClaro with a large video card be careful. The caps on the damn thing are so large they are almost touching the video card i used some silicon foam feet to put on a "feel much better about my gear not eletricly frying" cover on them and you must have a LONG front audio connector mines didnt reach until i gott creative with cable routing:angry_face:. Still havent fired it up yet ill let you guys know how it sounds and again nice impressions doc 

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I know the chamber doesn't go into the ear, but the way they end, with the flat area, then the tips, interfere with getting the tips in (my ears, of course), the Complys are better, using them more and more, actually. Tried TF10 and Auvio tips, have them both, didn't work as well (again, for me). As I've mentioned earlier, bullet shaped iems (like the Tenores) seem to work best for me, but I have managed decent fits with W4 (fits the pinna well), TF 10's (which I thought were impossible until the latest wave of odd shapes came along, now they seem a breeze), and the Audeo,PF 120, which fit really nicely, off the top of my head.

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I dunno man. It seems to me that if you set up an experiment in which you introduce a stimulus to different control groups, each with different characteristics, and they all react the same, is it that the subjects are the root cause...or is it the stimulus?

There are ways to get your points across without basically calling a product crap, which is what is done on a regular basis. That is what causes issues and gets people offended, not his technical opinion.

I agree that there are better ways, which is why I was talking about setting expectations. You know it's coming, it doesn't mean anything to you, you're not personally invested. It should be water off a ducks back. The collective you, not you you.

But in regard to the experiment, which made me imagine setting Inks loose on Tokyo, like Godzilla lol (no offense Inks, I hope you appreciate the cool mental image biggrin.gif), I don't think different threads around here are really different control groups. It's more like different versions of the same control group, to which I would almost expect the same result. I'm not blaming the subjects so much as It's more like I'm thinking it's the same test over and over again and people don't learn.

But also, in my interactions with him, we've disagreed with each other and it never resorted to personal attacks or anyone feeling attacked or hurt. There just needs to be understanding. That's what I'm getting at/to.

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Well its gone for quite a few pages, I suggest everyone calm down and get back to the topic at hand. Yes, Inks causes quite a stir, I've seen the SM64 thread completely ruined, it's a total mess. I suggest if many people are bothered gather a party and do things property by hitting the report button, otherwise this going back forth can go on for days. Literally.

I am inherently and firmly against the report button for anything that is not entirely and absolutely offensive, dangerous, and illegal, and that goes for anything that is a result of the report button.

Bolded is good advice.



Now something more interesting,

Seeing the OW graph of the RHA MA750 has me absolutely intrigued. I apologize if this has been discussed (I've been too busy to keep up with this thread), but how is the imaging, soundstage presentation, and timbre/tonality?
Edited by vwinter - 10/12/13 at 9:22am
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