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post #14026 of 32904

Ok here is a mass_ pic_ drop.

 

... the m200 array of tips.

 

... as i have noted earlier the medium stock tips of my m200 does not extend beyond as much as Dannys for some strange reason. :/

 

... it's pretty obvious that the stock tips sits almost flat against the nozzle.

 

... the largest sets seems to be normal like Dannys though, hmmm. :confused_face_2:

 

... same problem can be seen for the smallest stock sets.

 

... these are the medium Samsung tips, which extends much more beyond the nozzle similar to Dannys sets.

 

... the bore is really wide on these Samsung tips just as the stock m200 tips so none of the nozzle opening is blocked.

 

... left to right

 

[ 1st, 3rd, 7th = stock m200 tips ] [ 2nd, 4th, 5th = Samsung tips ] [ 6th = Nokia tips ]

 

... pretty much all the tip sizes should be covered for people with fit problems.

 

... all tips are wide bore and are very similar in texture and sound.

 

@ Danny your tips has been sent, so it should be there by the middle of the week. :beerchug:

post #14027 of 32904

So, the idea is that you somehow get those m200's into your ears??? Lol - they are big nozzles! Excellent pics Sf!

post #14028 of 32904
Thread Starter 

Well it was inevitable the hows the Onkyos vs the CKS1000 comparison. I hooked up both to my Audinst MX2 and did some head to head listening and both sound excellent but technical wise the Onkyos loose out to the CKS1000..

 

Treble response is much better balanced on the CKS1000. ( That is after you burn them in for many many hours. Lol)  Not only more sparkle but also the better low end too.. Drums and bass ability is awesome on the CKS1000 and the Onkyos certainly does well but loose out on speed. detail depth and extension of bass and low end. Drums on the Onkyos just don't have the same impact, High hats don't have the same shimmer.. Now I did notice the Onkyos have steadily improved and I would consider them a good buy and depending on source will sound just as good as the ole CKS1000, if not better. I think overall clarity is a touch better on the Onkyos and has the more natural tonality over the warmer sounding CKS1000. The CKS1Ks has a bit more mid bass adding to the warmth of sound overall..Mids I would say is about a wash.

 

Mids is very similar on the 2. I would say on the Onkyos seems a bit more prominent and that is because the highs don't match the mids on the Onkyos as well. A touch laid back in comparison to the mids.The CKS1000 is more even across the sound spectrum. The stage is also greater in both depth and width on the CKS1000.

 

Though the Onkyos I would consider having a good amount of stage but is more rounded in stage like the drivers that emit the sound and not as encompassing as the CKS1000. The CKS1000 is just flat out larger sense of space and depth them dual air chambers at work here.

 

I think for guys that already own the CKS1000 there is really no need to try out the Onkyos. Though it does have enough of its own style to own if you want another musical earphone. For guys that own the Onkyos. I don't know if it is worth spending the extra to get a CKS1000. Sure it does a few things better but overall music sounds just as good on the Onkyos as the CKS1000. Both are colored but very enjoyable..I would consider the Onkyos the better value but guys that want the best CKS earphone the CKS1000 are just that.


Edited by Dsnuts - 9/9/13 at 10:48pm
post #14029 of 32904
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

So, the idea is that you somehow [managed to] get those m200's into your ears??? Lol - they are big nozzles! Excellent pics Sf!

FTFY!!!

 

Yeppp as miraculous as that sounds, i am actually able to get a good fit/seal even with those seemingly Fffed up stock tips of mine. LoL The Samsung tips seals the deal, and the Nokia one is just cherry on top. :tongue_smile:

 

I don't think anyone that had fit/ seal issues before due to the limited selection of stock tips should be concerned anymore cuz all seven sets should cover the entire tip spectrum.

post #14030 of 32904
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 

FTFY!!!

 

Yeppp as miraculous as that sounds, i am actually able to get a good fit/seal even with those seemingly Fffed up stock tips of mine. LoL The Samsung tips seals the deal, and the Nokia one is just cherry on top. :tongue_smile:

 

I don't think anyone that had fit/ seal issues before due to the limited selection of stock tips should be concerned anymore cuz all seven sets should cover the entire tip spectrum.

 

Nice collection you have there

Are you able to eliminate the driver flex with any of those tips for M200?

post #14031 of 32904
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Originally Posted by Dsnuts View Post
 

Well it was inevitable the hows the Onkyos vs the CKS1000 comparison. I hooked up both to my Audinst MX2 and did some head to head listening and both sound excellent but technical wise the Onkyos loose out to the CKS1000..

 

Treble response is much better balanced on the CKS1000. ( That is after you burn them in for many many hours. Lol)  Not only more sparkle but also the better low end too.. Drums and bass ability is awesome on the CKS1000 and the Onkyos certainly does well but loose out on speed. detail depth and extension of bass and low end. Drums on the Onkyos just don't have the same impact, High hats don't have the same shimmer.. Now I did notice the Onkyos have steadily improved and I would consider them a good buy and depending on source will sound just as good as the ole CKS1000, if not better. I think overall clarity is a touch better on the Onkyos and has the more natural tonality over the warmer sounding CKS1000. The CKS1Ks has a bit more mid bass adding to the warmth of sound overall..Mids I would say is about a wash.

 

Mids is very similar on the 2. I would say on the Onkyos seems a bit more prominent and that is because the highs don't match the mids on the Onkyos as well. A touch laid back in comparison to the mids.The CKS1000 is more even across the sound spectrum. The stage is also greater in both depth and width on the CKS1000.

 

Though the Onkyos I would consider having a good amount of stage but is more rounded in stage like the drivers that emit the sound and not as encompassing as the CKS1000. The CKS1000 is just flat out larger sense of space and depth them dual air chambers at work here.

 

I think for guys that already own the CKS1000 there is really no need to try out the Onkyos. Though it does have enough of its own style to own if you want another musical earphone. For guys that own the Onkyos. I don't know if it is worth spending the extra to get a CKS1000. Sure it does a few things better but overall music sounds just as good on the Onkyos as the CKS1000. Both are colored but very enjoyable..I would consider the Onkyos the better value but guys that want the best CKS earphone the CKS1000 are just that.

 

CKS1000 is underrated in my opinion considering the overall package. Good to see that CKS1000 still holds some ground 

Thanks for the comparisons Dsnuts

post #14032 of 32904
Those tips are messed up sf. Almost seems like they aren't the stock tips. I got mines on the way to you too so you'll find out soon enough.
post #14033 of 32904
Thread Starter 

Oh yea my pair I am willing to bet all you guys sound different. And you know why.? Cus they be the original pair since I started the thread on them. They got more hours on them than any other person at headfi I guarantee. My pair gets better with age it seems.. My pair is smooth deep and has that one of a kind sound. It is a permanent part of the collection for me..I just only wish it synergized better with my X3. But this is another reason why I went for the DX50. More neutral source brings the best out of the CKS1000..I was really surprised it didn't synergize all that well with the X3 and was somewhat disappointed.. The Onkyos sound better on the X3 and those aren't the best synergy either.

 

Now my S2 on the X3. Now this is a match. Unbelievable how good the 2 are.. I am gonna be completely surprised if the DX50 sounds better using the S2.

post #14034 of 32904
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Originally Posted by Dsnuts View Post
 

This is what I would personally try out. I like the price too. $188

 

iBasso D42 Mamba

USB-DAC/Headphone AMP

The D42 is a refinement of the well received D4. While we keep the AMP section exactly same as the original D4, we improved the DAC section by using better components.  The enclosure is very different to the D4's. It is a well made enclosure with hairline finish.

Main features:
- Dual Wolfson WM8740 DAC Chip
- TI PCM2706 for USB signal input, provides I2S interface for decoding
- Works as a DAC+AMP Combo, a standalone AMP, or a standalone DAC (Line out function)
- 2-Setting Gain Switch
- OPAMP rollable
- AMP section can be powered by either USB or 9V battery
- Measures 60*20*92mm, and weighs 102g
- Comes with 3.5 to 3.5 interconnect cable, pouch, USB cable, and OTG cable.

 

Damn things got 2X WM8740. I am sold on this chip by the way. Same chips that are on the X3 and the DX50. And the thing is portable too.

 

Oohhhh, I'm keen! 
I've heard the D7 - fantastic performer for the price. But that was about 2 years ago so I'm eager to hear their developments.

But $188 is cheap for this sort of product...

Probably going to pick one up when I wait for more reviews

post #14035 of 32904
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Originally Posted by fnkcow View Post
 

 

Nice collection you have there

Are you able to eliminate the driver flex with any of those tips for M200?

^ It's a funny thing, cuz the "driver flex" i have experienced on these m200 only happens when i tap on the housing which makes one click sound upon each tap. I actually do so on my m200s to insure a tight/ proper seal cuz i realized that when i hear that click sound these m200s sounds their best. My left ear is easier to get this perfect seal [one tap, one click sound], while my right ear takes a little bit more tinkering to achieve that click/seal perfection. It's funny cuz the "driver flex" on these m200s does not affect the sound whatsoever and in my case when i get it, this ensure i got the best fit/ sound.

 

BUT it's a completely different story for the Zero Audio Basso, cuz the driver flex on those is the worst i have EVER experienced PERIOD. Not only was i unable to get a proper fit/seal, the clicking sound is crazy loud and it completely messes up the sound of the Bassos. It was truly driver flex from hell and it took me a while to find the proper set of tips in order to hear them properly from both left and the right sides. 

 

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Originally Posted by DannyBai View Post

Those tips are messed up sf. Almost seems like they aren't the stock tips. I got mines on the way to you too so you'll find out soon enough.

^ Yeah i figured it was so as well judging from what ya'll have posted. I actually like the less bassy sound of those Fffed up stock tips. haha :ph34r:

 

@ Ds

Great comparo meng, keep em' coming!!! X3 v. DX50 FIGHT!!! Coming soon to a Discovery Thread near you, only on Paid_Per_View. : P


Edited by sfwalcer - 9/9/13 at 11:35pm
post #14036 of 32904
Nice write up on the CKS vs Onkyo comparison Nuts. Yeah, I figured the 1ks might have a slight edge, what with AT's extensive experience in IEMs, but figured it just isn't worth it for me to get them just for a slight upgrade. Rather get maybe a full size Headphone or maybe the Onkyo On-Ears.
post #14037 of 32904
Thread Starter 

For you my friend try out the headphones. It will give you another more technical version of that Onkyo sound. Your gonna dig it..I read a review from a guy that tried the cheaper non upgraded cable version vs the upgraded version and he says they sound identical. I have a feeling they should sound pretty much the same maybe until at least 200 hours pass and perhaps a bit more detail from the better cable might come into play. 

post #14038 of 32904
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 

^ It's a funny thing, cuz the "driver flex" i have experienced on these m200 only happens when i tap on the housing which makes one click sound upon each tap. I actually do so on my m200s to insure a tight/ proper seal cuz i realized that when i hear that click sound these m200s sounds their best. My left ear is easier to get this perfect seal [one tap, one click sound], while my right ear takes a little bit more tinkering to achieve that click/seal perfection. It's funny cuz the "driver flex" on these m200s does not affect the sound whatsoever and in my case when i get it, this ensure i got the best fit/ sound.

 

BUT it's a completely different story for the Zero Audio Basso, cuz the driver flex on those is the worst i have EVER experienced PERIOD. Not only was i unable to get a proper fit/seal, the clicking sound is crazy loud and it completely messes up the sound of the Bassos. It was truly driver flex from hell and it took me a while to find the proper set of tips in order to hear them properly from both left and the right sides. 

 

^ Yeah i figured it was so as well judging from what ya'll have posted. I actually like the less bassy sound of those Fffed up stock tips. haha :ph34r:

 

@ Ds

Great comparo meng, keep em' coming!!! X3 v. DX50 FIGHT!!! Coming soon to a Discovery Thread near you, only on Paid_Per_View. : P

 

True that "driver flex" thingy. Initially it doesn't bother me much as it doesnt actually mess up the sound on the M200 like others do and sort of become an indicator of a good seal

but I'm just a bit paranoid now that my original pair's left side low frequency (LF) driver failed, no bass at all so my replacement is on its way.

Same thing happened to PeterDLai's pair too so now I'm worried if its the "driver flex" that killed the M200. Could it be that the LF chamber sitting so far away into the housing and the 10mm dynamic driver pushing all that air, and the driver flex pushed it over the edge and caused it to fail? Hopefully just a bad batch (finger crossed)


Edited by fnkcow - 9/9/13 at 11:52pm
post #14039 of 32904

sfwalcer, did you buy them used? The tips you say are stock are definitely not the stock tips (except the largest ones which do look correct), so I suspect if they're used, the person that sold them to you included the wrong tips. The shape is totally wrong and they're not the correct length. The stock tips are designed to be long enough to go further down the nozzle and actually have a groove inside the stem that hook onto the plastic ring below the nozzle (to prevent them from coming off). I suspect you'll be able to notice this on your large stock tips.

 

If you bought them new, then maybe something went wrong at the factory, or the dealer sold you an open box pair with the wrong tips included.


Edited by PeterDLai - 9/9/13 at 11:54pm
post #14040 of 32904
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Originally Posted by fnkcow View Post
 

 

True that "driver flex" thingy. Initially it doesn't bother me much as it doesnt actually mess up the sound on the M200 like others do and sort of become an indicator of a good seal

but I'm just a bit paranoid now that my original pair's left side low frequency driver failed, no bass at all so my replacement is on its way.

Same thing happened to PeterDLai's pair too so now I'm worried if its the "driver flex" that killed the M200. Hopefully just a bad batch

^ yeah have read that ya'll have posted that on the M500/M200 thread which sucks to hear. Fingers crossed that nothing like that will happen to my set, but good thing the seller also gave me a receipt just in case i need to use the warranty. Thanks for the heads up though. :beerchug:

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