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Originally Posted by DannyBai View Post

Thank you eric for your thoughts.  Thankfully I'm not crazy in hearing what I have been.  

 

I have the M500's on my head right now and it doesn't wow me like the M200's.  I hear the treble like eric does and it's not sibilant but close. The bass doesn't reach as deep but it's tighter and faster sounding.  Might be a little more on the neutral side than the M200's.  Comfort is incredible for an on ear and it's tiny.  Only problem could be heat from the pads.  Stage isn't as grand as the M200's but still quite good for an on ear.  It still is a very good sounding headphone and deserves a top recommendation in the headphone/on ear category but the M200's are the find of the year.

 

I'm sure glad I have you guys on my ignore list right now. I just can't seem to see any of what you are typing. Oh well. tongue_smile.gif

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My M200 is still being shipped (darn you Canada Post!!). But the comments I am reading are what I suspected was going happen. I hope I hear like you two do!

I have not heard the RE400 but my M500 experience sounds very similar to Eric and Danny. The one thing about the M500 is it really is strongly affected by the device or amp it connected to. On my Nokia 920 it has a strong upper mid spike and can sound a bit disjointed but on my devices and new laptop it sounds more balanced. I also notice the improvement when matched with a good amp.

I have a feeling the M200 will be the better portable solution due to the obvious edge in isolation but also a fuller sound straight off portable devices without an added amp. But the M500 will surpass it if you have more powerful portable devices or a portable amp ir desktop rig.
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Holy Cow! Okay, so that buddies you waynes world don't have to block me, I will not HYPE these KEFS anymore other than to say the M200 loves the power from the E10/E9 combo. I just listened to jazz trumpeter Tom Harrell's Baroque Steps ( a quintet with a backing strings section) and I feel moisture in the corners of my eyes! Now, if the M500 scales up like this. The bass super monstrous (sub-bass) with the right fit. I stress this because I know someone is going to buy this earphone and say they hear no bass. YOU MUST PLAY AROUND WITH THE FIT AND ANGLE OF THE EARPHONE for the bass to come out and play. But it's there!! And plenty of it. I've found that the back of the earphone shell needs to be pushed in as close as possible to the inside of your ear (so that the ear tips feel like they're angling outward instead of inward into your ear canal) to get the most bass. I forgot KEF is a British company whose studio monitors were used quite a bit for Beatles recordings. These blokes know what they are doing!

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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

Holy Cow! Okay, so that buddies you waynes world don't have to block me, I will not HYPE these KEFS anymore other than to say the M200 loves the power from the E10/E9 combo. I just listened to jazz trumpeter Tom Harrell's Baroque Steps ( a quintet with a backing strings section) and I feel moisture in the corners of my eyes! Now, if the M500 scales up like this. The bass super monstrous (sub-bass) with the right fit. I stress this because I know someone is going to buy this earphone and say they hear no bass. YOU MUST PLAY AROUND WITH THE FIT AND ANGLE OF THE EARPHONE for the bass to come out and play. But it's there!! And plenty of it. I've found that the back of the earphone shell needs to be pushed in as close as possible to the inside of your ear (so that the ear tips feel like they're angling outward instead of inward into your ear canal) to get the most bass. I forgot KEF is a British company whose studio monitors were used quite a bit for Beatles recordings. These blokes know what they are doing!

Wow Eric you got me! Do you think it's worth selling my h200 to get the m200? Secondly, I have really small ear canals and the h200 nozzle size is my limit. Do you think I'll have fit issues with the KEF?
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D marc0, sorry to see that you didn't get Eric on your ignore list quick enough!
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Originally Posted by d marc0 View Post


Wow Eric you got me! Do you think it's worth selling my h200 to get the m200? Secondly, I have really small ear canals and the h200 nozzle size is my limit. Do you think I'll have fit issues with the KEF?

 

 

Tough question d marc0. Base on sound quality alone, I have to be honest, the M200 beats the H-200. And I hate typing that because someone is going to read that as me saying I hyped up the H-200 and it isn't good anymore. That couldn't be further from the truth. The H-200 is a wonderful earphone on its on with top tier sound to my ears. But the two earphones have no similar qualities, and the M200 is much more refined than the H-200. So to me the M200 is clearly the better sounding earphone.

 

Now, because of what you stated about your ear canals, I don't want recommend them. The nozzle on the M200 is wide! Again, you don't need the nozzle go inside of your ear canal, but you do need it to sit  fairly snuggly inside your ear for that bass to come out. Not know what your ear looks like I can't say yes or no. I would suggest you see if you can go somewhere and try them out for fit. And the other thing, right now there aren't really any tips to swap out for this earphone. I think only KEFs ear tips will fit this earphone. And the tips are made in such a way that I think it adds to the great sound and allows for the shallow fit. So if you are reading KEF, you need to make replacement tips soon just in case there is an accident.

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So the M500 is definitely the more neutral of the two, but with very good bass. The vocals are outstanding in both, but seems to grab my attention more in the headphones. The headphones also has the wider soundstage, but the earphones has the better imaging  and timbre. The earphone sounds fuller to me, but doesn't run away with it. I like to total sound of the M200 better than the M500, but the headphone's overall sound is still beautiful and refined too. Both complement each other. You are not really getting an earphone version of the headphone (or vice versa) if you buy both. Both are highly detailed with lots of clarity.

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Sorry, but I have to add that M500 falls very close to the X1 as one of the best headphones I have ever heard (already, without any significant burn-in). No, the X1 and M500 sound nothing alike, but are equal in clarity and detail. The X1 is a bit warmer though, but the transparency is blowing my mind with the M500 amped. This is really my "vocal" headphone here. I like this better than all of the ATs that I own (again not saying those don't sound great now). 

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Before I say anything about these earphones.I have to give a stern warning.. These will not fit everyone. I repeat these will not fit everyone..Yes these have a micro HD design nozzle many of you guys will know from the FXD earphones. Thicker stem actually..This is the first time I can recall that I have ever had serious problems with fit..I could not get a proper fit with any of the tips. My internal ear structure was pushing out the stock tips and I could not get a proper fit no matter what..I can tell how great they sounded only if they fit correct. I must have tried every position and size tip they provided and I was getting frustrated because none of the included tips would work for me..

 

So I threw on my old FXD tips on there and BAM!! Got them to fit my ears.  These remind me of a cross between my CKS1000 and my S2.These sound like a more technical CKS1000 to me.. It has a grand sound that is absolutely wonderful in articulation and execution. Vocals sound angelic on these.. Absolutely stunning.. I am actually hearing them for the first time like they should. I just plugged them into my NFB-5 and these just sound stupid. Absolutely stunning sound and this is even before any burn in at all..These are basically what the FXZ earphones should have been. Lol. I will do an overnight of burn in and see how they sound in the morning..

 

Now this is the part that pains me. I know for the fact guys will have issues with fit on these. I think I got lucky my FXD tips ended up working perfectly for me. As wonderful a sound these things have I wish these guys thought more about the tips and included more styles than the ones they put in here..Complys will not fit on here as the nozzle of the earphones are too thick so no go on them. I might actually try cutting the internal sleeve so they do fit. Will try that soon here. Again I got lucky I actually kept all my FXD earphones..The other tips that actually work on these are UE tips from my UE500 however. They slide off real easy so the only ones that actually worked for me are the original FXD tips. A damn shame..In the end though it is possible to get another tip on here I think Complys might work but I will have to sacrifice a pair and cut the internal sleeve to see if they fit. Will be back to report more on how they progress.



Best earphones I have heard this year. The S2 comes close second.

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^ Oh crap!
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Sh*t's gettin' real. You might as well just give up, Wayne.

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Sh*t's gettin' real. You might as well just give up, Wayne.

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post #12899 of 32892
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post


Tough question d marc0. Base on sound quality alone, I have to be honest, the M200 beats the H-200. And I hate typing that because someone is going to read that as me saying I hyped up the H-200 and it isn't good anymore. That couldn't be further from the truth. The H-200 is a wonderful earphone on its on with top tier sound to my ears. But the two earphones have no similar qualities, and the M200 is much more refined than the H-200. So to me the M200 is clearly the better sounding earphone.

Now, because of what you stated about your ear canals, I don't want recommend them. The nozzle on the M200 is wide! Again, you don't need the nozzle go inside of your ear canal, but you do need it to sit  fairly snuggly inside your ear for that bass to come out. Not know what your ear looks like I can't say yes or no. I would suggest you see if you can go somewhere and try them out for fit. And the other thing, right now there aren't really any tips to swap out for this earphone. I think only KEFs ear tips will fit this earphone. And the tips are made in such a way that I think it adds to the great sound and allows for the shallow fit. So if you are reading KEF, you need to make replacement tips soon just in case there is an accident.

I can actually use the large black stock tips on my h200. Shallow insertion with secure suction on my ears. Will the h200 large black tips fit on the M200?

I have a good feeling the M200 might just be the on-the-go headset for me.
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Originally Posted by d marc0 View Post


I can actually use the large black stock tips on my h200. Shallow insertion with secure suction on my ears. Will the h200 large black tips fit on the M200?

I have a good feeling the M200 might just be the on-the-go headset for me.

The tips are made with a really wide bore, so I don't think the H-200 will work. But if you an FXD earphone, according to Dsnuts those will work.


Edited by ericp10 - 8/9/13 at 9:08pm
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