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I always have difficulty getting the bass right with the Mikros 90... Getting the positioning right to hear bass as I think it should sound is problematic. Maybe it's an issue of head size /shape. I find these are as sensitive to little shifts as some iems

 

I can't believe that you don't believe that the 90's are not the 2nd coming lol!

http://www.head-fi.org/t/633514/martin-logan-mikros-90-on-ear-headphones/705#post_10223228

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Bass depends on music and sources for the mikros90 😎....ericp how about the new A&K akr02😉
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COMPARISON TIME!

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

A900x vs ES700s vs RE700s vs WS99s

 

First test song: NORAH JONES - Sunrise

 

A900x - We begin with the bass intro, the strings that you hear being pulled is done well here, the quality is there, the quantity is just the right amount as it doesn't bleed into the instruments, but quantity is good enough to satisfy a balancephile(not basshead). It is a bit recessed in comparison to the instruments, but only behind by two decibels. Once Norah sings, I am immediately struck by how sharp and clear the vocals were. It sounded pretty good, and I hear no veil with her voices either to be honest, as other headfiers stated. Now, when the male background singers come in, I do hear a bit of a veil, but I believe it applies to males in the songs I listen to. 

 

The vocals sound rough though, sometimes I wish it was a bit smoother as it does make her voice sound rougher than it should be (unless it was intentional, but these headphones do it a bit to the extreme). Instruments sound thin, as did the bass unfortunately...

The guitars sounded pretty crunchy on these headphones, though I have to say that the thinness of the sound took the fun out of it.

Piano sounded good in tone, but lacks the thickness and bass strength to provide me a more satisfying DUN! experience. 

I could still hear instruments even if they're playing lightly, as well as the other headphones. 

 

But it was a great sound to hear from these beauts.

 

Imaging is fantastic, the instrument placement, vocals, background singers, etc, were placed where I hoped they'd be. Norah center, singers behind her, instruments on the right and left (guitars and piano).

 

ES700- The bass intro here is different, it's a bit tighter, more bodied (surprise there), and a bit more in quantity, but still recessed by 2 decibels again. Strings, again, can be heard being pulled, but a bit better, and with more vigor. The instruments take a bit more priority here, especially when the vocals come in, that's when the bass sounds a bit behind. The vocals take front center with these headphones by the same amount of decibels as instruments. The difference? Everything sounds thicker, more natural, and easier for the ears as norah doesn't sound as rough as the a900x. Yet, the a900x and these headphones share one thing in common. They both sound grainy with vocals, and that takes away my blissful adventure to the music world because of that. While guitars don’t sound as crunchy as the a900x (and the other headphones after these two), these do them justice as it does give it a good amount of thickness and just -1 db of clarity is taken away. Piano sounded a bit more realistic, in the sense that I could hear the weight of the piano keys, unlike the a900x’s. The clarity of the piano is pretty good on the es700s (not like the a900x, but those made it sound thin and weak, but not hollow).

 

Despite that, the vocals were better and more enticing than the a900x. How? Well, not only was it thicker, males weren't veiled, the vocals sounded similarly clear to the a900x's, sounding less grainy and harsh, but most important of all, the voices are smoother and more captivating. There is some magic on the mids here...it's a sweet smooth, and closer to the audiophile. It sounds “airier”, more emotional, and euphonic...

 

The reason I put quotations on airier is due to the boxed in effect I hear on these es700s. No, it’s not actually boxed in, it’s airy to satisfy every user. When you hear the a900x’s though, they do sound more open and less constricted, it’s as if norah was outside, not inside a studio singing.

 

Imaging is great, I could almost tell that the instruments and vocals, as well as the bass, was placed correctly.

 

 

WS99- Just like I said on the last sentence of the re700's, these also have a different SQ. The bass is more conservative, but a bit richer than the rest. It does sound pretty tight, but I think even then, the re700s best it, at least by half a step. The quality and texture is equal on both, and the impact is a bit better on the ws99s, but the re700's are pretty close, no joke here.

 

The mids on these are pretty surprising. I didn't expect a bassophone to have good vocals, these sound splendid in the way the bass presents the rest of the spectrum. It has big and bold sound, thicker sounding than all of my headphones, the instruments sound thick enough to my enjoyment, still good clarity, and the vocals sound just as smooth as the re700s, no grain heard like the es700s and a900x's.

The vocals still can't beat the rest of the headphone lineup. These are a step below the es700s, two steps below in a900x, and three steps behind the re700s in terms of airiness, open space. It does sound similar to the es700s, but the es700s have that magic that make it sound airier than the ws99s...

 

Imaging is decent.

 

YET!

DUN DUN

 

 

RE700- BAM! The bass is even tighter, a bit thicker, and most important of all, more in quantity! THIS HEAPDHONE NAILS BASS LIKE NO OTHER! The bass is almost inline with the instruments and vocals, I'd say it's at least -.5 db behind, or 0, as I don't hear the disparity between the whole frequency. This has better texture than the other headphones, as the es700s did pretty good with keeping up with the different tones of the bass, as did the a900xs, but this headphone plays it mad as not only the impact of the bass is evident compared to the other two, the strings are easier to feel, tones are richer and more lifelike, realistic. I can't stress this enough, this sounds like a reference monitor when it comes to bass...

 

The mids however, ...oh wait, they're ok. ...great.. 

 

PSYCHE! They are amazing, god like, heavenly, FAD should make friends with audio technica and zero audio and make the best IEM that can sound this good. The vocals here are similar to the es700s in terms of quantity. It actually is the same to be honest, I thought it was behind the es700s, but hearing them again, makes me believe that they are just as forward as the es700s, but so are the highs and lows. This is THE balanced headphone, the ws99s that should have been.. After constant A/Bing, they are similar in mid quantity, maybe the re700’s are at least -.5 to -1 decibel lower in the mids than the es700s. Not that much of a difference.

 

The vocals sound airier than the es700s, making the es700s sound a bit boxed in, and sound similar to the a900x's airy levels. The difference is that it loses that extra sharpness that I hear from the a900x, which can sound like grain, has a more euphonic sound over the a900x's, sound more emotional and just half a step airier and more realistic, and the vocals sound lifelike, real, right there in front of you that you thought she was singing only for you. :) These also are thicker sounding than the a900x's, which is surprising to say the least...not to mention the tonal balance. These do songs justice as I can individually pick the different pitches and tones of instruments and singers, no joke on that. The background singers are also placed more accurately with norah than the other two headphones I mentioned. Imaging is phenomenal on these headphones, just brilliant. The es700s is two steps behind these headphones, and the a900x is one step behind it. I need more time to compare the soundstage and imaging though, but the differences in SQ are obvious.

 

Will do another comparo tomorrow morning. I'll use two more songs and that's as far as I go. It'll be more articulate and shorter.

 

Overall Clarity + Detail

 

A900x>=Re700>>Es700>=WS99

 

Bass impact, quality, and quantity ranking

 

Re700>Ws99>Es700>A900x

 

Based on comparisons on two headphones, the bass impact, quality, punch, goes to..

Re700>>>>A900x

WS99>>>A900x

ES700>>A900x

 

The treble will be next tomorrow. But knowing the multiple A/Bing from three days ago.

 

Treble detail + Thick

 

Re700>>ES700>>WS99>A900x

 

 

Analytical goes to

 

 

A900x 

 

Smooth sounding overall, while having the details to back it up and open space

 

RE700x

 

Great mids, a bit more enclosed, and is mid-centric

 

ES700s

 

 

 

Great thick bass, Big bold sound

 

WS99

 

While I say that the re700s beat them all in the whole frequency range. There is one thing people have to be aware of

 

The vocals for the most part, sound great.

 

No silibance in SSSS, CHHHH, FFFF, etc

 

BUT, there will be some recordings that will exhibit this silibance, but mostly in small amounts and usually in random places. Sometimes when I hear the singers stress their SSSS, I don't hear any silibance, but then some areas I do...

 

Either my headphone is whack, or something else is happening.

 

EDIT: AIRINESS AND SPACE GOES TO

 

A900x>=Re700>>>Es700>WS99

 

 

Great comparison vlenbo! Your write-up made me spontaneously want to both get the RE700's and sell my WS99's lol. My 99's don't get as much listening time as they should, so due to you writeup I just threw them on, hoping that doing so would make it easy for me to put them on the selling block. It backfired though, because I just got lost in their sonic goodness (which does tend to happen whenever I put them on) and now I don't want to take them off. So I realize once again that it would be hard for me to part with them!

 

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to Sf and you getting the Mikros 90's. Gotta see how much pataburd's and mochill's super-nova-hype is warranted. And more importantly, I'm looking forward to your comparisons of the 90's with the RE700's.

 

Keep up the good work!

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^ I hope you have some salt to go along with that popcorn mochill! :)

(inside joke)

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Bag of salt and a heap load of butta😋
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The AX35 and Somic MH415 have been pretty great pickups. Looking forward to Eric's impressions on the Astrotecs. Solid offerings for the price. 

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Great comparison vlenbo! Your write-up made me spontaneously want to both get the RE700's and sell my WS99's lol. My 99's don't get as much listening time as they should, so due to you writeup I just threw them on, hoping that doing so would make it easy for me to put them on the selling block. It backfired though, because I just got lost in their sonic goodness (which does tend to happen whenever I put them on) and now I don't want to take them off. So I realize once again that it would be hard for me to part with them!

 

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to Sf and you getting the Mikros 90's. Gotta see how much pataburd's and mochill's super-nova-hype is warranted. And more importantly, I'm looking forward to your comparisons of the 90's with the RE700's.

 

Keep up the good work!

If the martins were to stay at $300, the people would want to pick up the re700s.

 

The martins and re700s are similar to each others signature. They're both clear, detailed, but they are somewhat different.

 

The martins are a touch clearer than the re700s.

 

The highs are pretty detailed, have a nice texture like the re700s. The ones on the re700s are more engaging and detailed, and also more lifelike. The highs are similar though, but I give the one up to the re700s.

 

I'll compare it with more details, right now these are my impressions.

 

The mids have a good detail...similar to the re700s. I feel, though, that the re700's mids were better as they sounded clearer in some ways. I can't put my finger on it just yet.

 

The low quantity of the re700s beat the martins by a good amount.


The quality are similar to each other, but the quantity and quality of the re700s beat the quantity and the quality of the martins.

 

the re700's have 2 more dbs of bass quantity, yet still keep the same quantity of the martins, and have more thickness to them.

 

Martins are definitely worth their $100. As the re700s are worth their $150. Surprisingly, the re700s surprised me out of box, the martins did as well, but not to the effect as the re700s.

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The AX35 and Somic MH415 have been pretty great pickups. Looking forward to Eric's impressions on the Astrotecs. Solid offerings for the price. 

And ax35 vs b3 pro?
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Well for me music surrounds you and immerses you fully, it seemingly can come from every direction depending on how it is recorded
Imaging is very natural and realistic, best way I can describe it. It is very accurate, but not pin-point sharp. Just extremely well done

No issues with upper mids/lower treble for me, I feel like everything is correct on these headphones. Sometimes I could do with more treble/airiness, sometimes I don't want anymore - weird huh

Slays the AD900x, especially in the bass department. But I do really like the AD900x/AD900. It's just a bit thin sounding compared to the fullness of the HE-500

 

Thanks nehcrow! Sounds like my kinda sound, will def jump on either the 560 or 400i. Just wish I knew how the imaging and soundstage compares to that of my Pandora Hope VI though, but so few people own them other than myself =/


Edited by akarise - 1/31/14 at 12:06pm
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And ax35 vs b3 pro?

Needs equal burn in and playback time before I A/B them.

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Needs equal burn in and playback time before I A/B them.

I understand, if you get the time after a while I'd really appreciate a short comparison.
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A small comparison of the martin logans and the re700s

 

The martin logans do string instruments justice, I can definitely hear the strumming detail a bit better on them, and the clarity that comes from the strings of the guitar are phenomenal. I hear them in person, as if the player was there in front of me, but the re700s do it good as well, since it has a thicker, warmer sound to the strings. I'd like to say that the tonal balance on both are on par. The guitars are lifelike, just trying to impress all the listeners out there.

 

I'd give them this amount of clarity

 

Instrument clarity + Detail

 

Martin logans >> re700s

 

The re700s do fall behind, but not to the point where you'd agonize of the quality differences. Well you might, since the instruments sound cleaner and thinner on the martins, which helps you hear the strumming better on the logans.

 

However, there is one thing I was biased and people here MAY HAVE, been biased on.

 

Vocals.

 

Sure, they don't compromise on detail while being musical, but I am sorry to say that these are headphones that are less musical than the re700s.

 

Once you hear the re700s, you will KNOW the amount of musicality these re700s contain.

 

The vocals are more airy on the re700s, more open, more emotional than the martins. The martins make the vocals sound...a bit repressed in a sense, but still does a great job at capturing the emotion, but the re700s are two steps ahead. It does depend on the recording, but dang...the re700s do have a difference here...

 

Vocal quality

 

Re700s>>Martin logans

 

Bass quantity wise, the re700s wins against logans, but also have that tight bass like the logans.

 

Re700s>=Logans

 

The instrument quality goes to Logans, and accuracy goes to logans as well. The treble also goes a bit to logans as cymbals also have a bit more detail than the re700s. At least by .5 to 1 db.

 

[based on seven days]

 

Cymbals sound somewhat thin on the logans, and the re700s sound warmer and a bit thicker, lusher. However, the logans do beat the re700s in clarity and detaill on the cymbals by a small step. You hear a TSK on the logans, you hear a TTSHK on the re700s. It's not that big of a difference though, I can't explain it well just yet.

 

Cymbals, treble

Logans>=Re700s

 

 

 

 

Test song, my favorite ones of all.

 

    Ichiban_no_takaramono

 

Piano sounds better on the re700s than the martins as it has a bit more thickness to it, I definitely hear a small difference here. The martins don't lack behind though, they do well here. The bass sound intoxicating on the re700s, the martins do it well, but not to the amount of power as the re700s. I'm not saying bass cannon levels, but I do hear it more prominent than the martins. By 2 decibels.

 

I heard a different recording that had ONLY acoustics.

 

 

it's this one.

 

Don't get me wrong though, the martins do vocals justice depending the recording, like the first one for instance. It touched my heart hearing the best female sing to her hearts desire. The re700s opened it up a bit more and made it even better for me, making me a very happy guy. 

 

Both headphones can compete, I'm amazed, simply amazed. 

 

The martins do leave the re700s in the dust at the string department though.

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Thanks for your impressions! So how is imaging? Is the soundstage very 3D, as in good width/depth/height, or are the instruments and vocals just spread out around you evenly? Do you have issues with the upper mids and lower treble that I've heard others complain about? And how do they compare to the AD900X (or AD2000X if you've heard it)? Sorry for the barrage of questions lol.

 

 

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Emotiva, Danny. Emotiva ;)
I'm sure you can swing it instead of a new IEM purchase
The sound coming out of my HE-500 is outstanding! Virtually perfect

 

 

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Well for me music surrounds you and immerses you fully, it seemingly can come from every direction depending on how it is recorded
Imaging is very natural and realistic, best way I can describe it. It is very accurate, but not pin-point sharp. Just extremely well done

No issues with upper mids/lower treble for me, I feel like everything is correct on these headphones. Sometimes I could do with more treble/airiness, sometimes I don't want anymore - weird huh

Slays the AD900x, especially in the bass department. But I do really like the AD900x/AD900. It's just a bit thin sounding compared to the fullness of the HE-500

 

Definitely agree with nehcrow so thank you for the impressions.  I have zero issues with upper mids/lower treble also.  I wouldn't want anymore treble but possibly more airiness without increasing that treble.  The AD900X sounds more airy to me but also very thin compared and overall is slayed by the HE500's and even the HE400's are an upgrade IMO.

 

I've checked Emotiva's before but not thoroughly.  Which one would I shoot for?  I have the Yulong D100 MKII and Hifi-M8 so considering those, would the Emotiva's be an upgrade?  I'm also very interested in the Audio GD's, mostly the Compass 2.  Thanks nehcrow.

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Definitely agree with nehcrow so thank you for the impressions.  I have zero issues with upper mids/lower treble also.  I wouldn't want anymore treble but possibly more airiness without increasing that treble.  The AD900X sounds more airy to me but also very thin compared and overall is slayed by the HE500's and even the HE400's are an upgrade IMO.

 

I've checked Emotiva's before but not thoroughly.  Which one would I shoot for?  I have the Yulong D100 MKII and Hifi-M8 so considering those, would the Emotiva's be an upgrade?  I'm also very interested in the Audio GD's, mostly the Compass 2.  Thanks nehcrow.

I had the audio-gd NFB 11.32 and the Emotiva Mini-X. The Mini-X wins by a long shot, even over the Yulong, for $169. Pairs perfectly with the HE-500.

 

It's huge though.

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