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Forever is right.  i have e mailed them twice for info re delivery progress but no response.

question: how is the H3 sound signature different from the "older AT tuning"  i loved the sound of my ath ckm99

except for the treble harshness...wonder if the ckm1000 cured that or not....


Nope seem to be using the same tuning but a more spacious sound perhaps. It is the older AT tuning so they put a premium on treble peaks for female vocals and such and took treble extension literally. Again I think the FOstex phones would be a more safer choice for the same amount of money but then again people seem to like them CKM1000s in Japan..With newer phones out it is kind of a gamble to try out older flagships. Newer tuning seems to get better and better as well as the tech behind them.

 

H3 is a prime example. The H3 is a spacious large sound with great integration of drivers which leads to great integration of sound. It does so many things right and is easy to listen to with a sound tuning that is more leaning toward consumer music lover profile than and analytical audiophile, but with a technical merit to have all the goodness of why we like a big spacious sound. There is no filler in the sound and I think that is the key to a nicer bigger sound for iems. Especially when driven correct on some power the H3 don't sound like an earphone. It is large and in charge just like my SRH1540 or my X1 in sound. Very satisfying on an amp..

 

Extension just right on both ends with all the good stuff in spades in the middle. Detail of BAs yet with the smoothness of dynamics.. These are how hybrids should sound like.

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H3 is a prime example. The H3 is a spacious large sound with great integration of drivers which leads to great integration of sound. It does so many things right and is easy to listen to with a sound tuning that is more leaning toward consumer music lover profile than and analytical audiophile, but with a technical merit to have all the goodness of why we like a big spacious sound. There is no filler in the sound and I think that is the key to a nicer bigger sound for iems. Especially when driven correct on some power the H3 don't sound like an earphone. It is large and in charge just like my SRH1540 or my X1 in sound. Very satisfying on an amp..

 

Extension just right on both ends with all the good stuff in spades in the middle. Detail of BAs yet with the smoothness of dynamics.. These are how hybrids should sound like.

 

Tx! Interesting! Does H3 sounds better than Dunnu DN-1000?

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Our good buddy Ericp will tell you.. He sold off his DN-1Ks. Says he don't listen to them as much as his H3. DN-1Ks for the price seem to be a solid choice but for guys that want to hear one of Sony's nicest sounding earphones. The H3 are it.


Believe me if you guys heard what these H3s sounds like through my ICON or 2 step. It will put a smile on your face from ear to ear. They sound great through the X3 or DX50 but the H3s love juice.. 

 

Oh and I think Ericp and Danny will agree..The H3 need some solid burn time. The bass become completely tight opening up what is a finely tuned mid section of the H3... No tape mod needed.


Edited by Dsnuts - 2/16/14 at 10:26pm
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Our good buddy Ericp will tell you.. He sold off his DN-1Ks. Says he don't listen to them as much as his H3. DN-1Ks for the price seem to be a solid choice but for guys that want to hear one of Sony's nicest sounding earphones. The H3 are it.


Believe me if you guys heard what these H3s sounds like through my ICON or 2 step. It will put a smile on your face from ear to ear. They sound great through the X3 or DX50 but the H3s love juice.. 

 

Oh and I think Ericp and Danny will agree..The H3 need some solid burn time. The bass become completely tight opening up what is a finely tuned mid section of the H3... No tape mod needed.

 

That's clear! Thanks! :bigsmile_face:

Will look for H3 and try it :wink_face:

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The H3 is one of those earphones that guys will judge based on how they sound with no burn in time. Hence the tape mod.. I can see a demo of the H3 not sounding as nice as the pair I own. Again it is that burn in time that people choose to overlook on the H3s. The treble also improves with burn in as well and people don't mention that.

 

The treble on open listen was somewhat similar to my XBA-3 treble. A bit thin sounding to my ears.. They don't sound like that now however.  But it is one of those things either you believe in burn in or you don't ..I know for a fact the bass was bloated on open listen.

 

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which is why people do the tape mod

 

 They have none of that bloat now on my pair and that same thin treble is no longer thin sounding at all.

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The H3 is one of those earphones that guys will judge based on how they sound with no burn in time. Hence the tape mod.. I can see a demo of the H3 not sounding as nice as the pair I own. Again it is that burn in time that people choose to overlook on the H3s. The treble also improves with burn in as well and people don't mention that.

 

The treble on open listen was somewhat similar to my XBA-3 treble. A bit thin sounding to my ears.. They don't sound like that now however.  But it is one of those things either you believe in burn in or you don't ..I know for a fact the bass was bloated on open listen.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
which is why people do the tape mod

 

 They have none of that bloat now on my pair and that same thin treble is no longer thin sounding at all.

 

How many days burn-in your H3 took to achieve that sound?

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I told you so! (about the im-02s that is).

 

 

Either way though, I can only approve of the SQ of the im-02's if it beats the fostex. Will hopefully buy it this week.

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How many days burn-in your H3 took to achieve that sound?


2 weeks of solid burn in time maybe longer. I have easily over 200 hours of my drum n bass mix blasted through them. That bass end settles in tremendously.  I can't see a how a shop demo could sound like my pair. Even with casual use with music playing through them the treble will get fuller perhaps with just use as the overall cohesiveness of the sound become much better but that bass from the 16mm liquid polymer drivers. 

 

Needs the hours for them to tighten up. Guys that read this and don't believe in burn in..Try it and tell me I am wrong. 2 weeks straight. Loudish volumes your bassiest drum n bass mix. Listen to it after and tell me what is bloated..

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The H3 is one of those earphones that guys will judge based on how they sound with no burn in time. Hence the tape mod.. I can see a demo of the H3 not sounding as nice as the pair I own. Again it is that burn in time that people choose to overlook on the H3s. The treble also improves with burn in as well and people don't mention that.

The treble on open listen was somewhat similar to my XBA-3 treble. A bit thin sounding to my ears.. They don't sound like that now however.  But it is one of those things either you believe in burn in or you don't ..I know for a fact the bass was bloated on open listen.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
which is why people do the tape mod

 They have none of that bloat now on my pair and that same thin treble is no longer thin sounding at all.

I can see bass cleaning itself up after a while, but the tape mod serves the purpose of reducing bass in the physical quantity of decibels. There's no amount of burn in that I have ever heard or seen documented that's dropped any frequency range down by ~4-6 dB. So cleaner or tighter bass is one thing, but if you literally want less bass, you need to alter the physical properties of the acoustic system or use DSP, which in this case can be achieved by limiting airflow.
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2 weeks of solid burn in time maybe longer. I have easily over 200 hours of my drum n bass mix blasted through them. That bass end settles in tremendously.  I can't see a how a shop demo could sound like my pair. Even with casual use with music playing through them the treble will get fuller perhaps with just use as the overall cohesiveness of the sound become much better but that bass from the 16mm liquid polymer drivers. 

 

Needs the hours for them to tighten up. Guys that read this and don't believe in burn in..Try it and tell me I am wrong. 2 weeks straight. Loudish volumes your bassiest drum n bass mix. Listen to it after and tell me what is bloated..

 

Wow, 2 weeks :blink:

Ok I'll take note of that :wink_face:

I'm not against burn-in. It does change sound signature. I just think it should have been done in the factory. Rather then wasting users time...

Premium product should be at optimum sound out of the box. If it still requires burn-in, that means the manufacturer hasn't done their homework, and sell it as an unfinished product, not really ready to deliver optimum sound out of the box.

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I can see bass cleaning itself up after a while, but the tape mod serves the purpose of reducing bass in the physical quantity of decibels. There's no amount of burn in that I have ever heard or seen documented that's dropped any frequency range down by ~4-6 dB. So cleaner or tighter bass is one thing, but if you literally want less bass, you need to alter the physical properties of the acoustic system or use DSP, which in this case can be achieved by limiting airflow.


I suppose your right on that account and you have to be ok with some bass presence on a big 16mm in ear driver. I don't think it curbs the bass end to that extent perhaps more like 2-3 dbs. But that 2-3 goes a long ways to tighten that bass end. I don't mind a little bass bump in my sound so I suppose it is more a preference level of just how much bass one wants. It is cool that you can control the bass end without eq.

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Wow, 2 weeks :blink:

Ok I'll take note of that :wink_face:

I'm not against burn-in. It does change sound signature. I just think it should have been done in the factory. Rather then wasting users time...

Premium product should be at optimum sound out of the box. If it still requires burn-in, that means the manufacturer hasn't done their homework, and sell it as an unfinished product, not really ready to deliver optimum sound out of the box.

 

It is not really practical for manufacturers to preburn in their phones. Some do some don't. I think most don't it is just extra time put into the bottom line of the end product.  Nuforce web site mentions that their phones need burn in as a special message to the consumer so at least they let people know this. 

 

You would be surprised. My SRH1540 is the same way. Big bass on open box and burn in tames the bass end. Kinda half adjusting to the sound and half physical lowering of bass. It all depends on which phone though as some cans just don't change at all with burn in but most that I have owned do improve in one way or another with burn in. There are some phones that actually get worse with burn in before they improve. It is kinda whacky but for the most part I personally think the improvements are worth it. I have a dedicated burn in station in my basement. I always have phones connected to my station always.

 

People with the AD900X or any AT or JVC phone for that matter.  Burn in is a must. Which got me thinking.. I noticed my Doppios improved a lot with burn in. The bass end especially. I am wondering if them IMXX phones got any burn in time.  Burn in for BAs are a bit different than dynamics in that their sound become more fuller vs dynamics become tighter in sound.


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You would be surprised. My SRH1540 is the same way. Big bass on open box and burn in tames the bass end. Kinda half adjusting to the sound and half physical lowering of bass. It all depends on which phone though as some cans just don't change at all with burn in but most that I have owned do improve in one way or another with burn in. There are some phones that actually get worse with burn in before they improve. It is kinda whacky but for the most part I personally think the improvements are worth it. I have a dedicated burn in station in my basement. I always have phones connected to my station always.

 

People with the AD900X or any AT or JVC phone for that matter.  Burn in is a must. Which got me thinking.. I noticed my Doppios improved a lot with burn in. The bass end especially. I am wondering if them IMXX phones got any burn in time.. And yes BAs do need burn in. 

 

Right. My JVC FXD80 one model requires long burn-in, at least 100 hours or more for getting open and spacious sound.  My ATH-CKN50 doesn't sound better after burn-in, maybe even better before burn-in...

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In any case it is good to see you posting on the discovery thread. I do look forward to more reviews from you there earfonia. You have helped a lot of headfiers get an idea of them AT earphones and that would be a nice contribution to these threads. It is late by my neck of the woods so to everyone a good night and may everyone dream about owning your ultimate end game sound.. 

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I told you so! (about the im-02s that is).

 

 

Either way though, I can only approve of the SQ of the im-02's if it beats the fostex. Will hopefully buy it this week.


Yep, that sounds like an interesting comparo, the IM-02 vs. the Fostex. I also thought the IM-02(stock) vs. the IM-70 with the titanium cable is an interesting comparison since then the two are the same price.   

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