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amazon.jp has the Zero Audio Doppio NEW for $130.00. If they ship to the States, then this would be one of the best deals I can think of?

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You'd need to use Tenso, but that doesn't cost much.

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So after some time listening to multiple sources and amps, the Piston 2.0 doesn't sound it's best on the X3. The X3 limits the Piston sonically, closes in the soundstage, and really doesn't present the bass as clear as it should. Now coupled with the Sony NWZ and the FiiO E11 amp, they really open up, present a wider soundstage, the bass is punchier and more rounded, and the highs are airier. The whole sonic presentation is airier. The Sansa Fuze with E11 amp and FLAC appeared to be similar to the X3, providing the sound with more grain, and less control over the bass. Highs were presented nicely, with brightness and good decay time, but again, more closed in sound. On the iPod Touch 4, with E11, the Piston really open up and shine!! It's like they were begging to be coupled with an iPod sound chip. The airyness becomes absolutely lush, and the bass deep and articulate. The mids move forward to line up nicely with the crisp and clean highs. Soundstage getting so wide that it sounded like I had cans on. I'm spending a little time listening to Mad Season - Above with the Piston with the Touch. Absolutely $200 sound from $20.00 IEMs. This leads me to believe the Piston are very source sensitive and amp malleable. 


Edited by IEMagnet01 - 1/13/14 at 1:27am
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So after some time listening to multiple sources and amps, the Piston 2.0 doesn't sound it's best on the X3. The X3 limits the Piston sonically, closes in the soundstage, and really doesn't present the bass as clear as it should. Now coupled with the Sony NWZ and the FiiO E11 amp, they really open up, present a wider soundstage, the bass is punchier and more rounded, and the highs are airier. The whole sonic presentation is airier. The Sansa Fuze with E11 amp and FLAC appeared to be similar to the X3, providing the sound with more grain, and less control over the bass. Highs were presented nicely, with brightness and good decay time, but again, more closed in sound. On the iPod Touch 4, with E11, the Piston really open up and shine!! It's like they were begging to be coupled with an iPod sound chip. The airyness becomes absolutely lush, and the bass deep and articulate. The mids move forward to line up nicely with the crisp and clean highs. Soundstage getting so wide that it sounded like I had cans on. I'm spending a little time listening to Mad Season - Above with the Piston with the Touch. Absolutely $200 sound from $20.00 IEMs. This leads me to believe the Piston are very source sensitive and amp malleable. 

I agree. I don't have an amp, but after listening to them from my three sources (PC Line-Out, Android phone, and iPod), the iPod sounded the best out of all of them. It's like they were made for these earphones, or rather tuned with iPods in mind.

 

EDIT: Your mention of the E11 just made me blew my cap. I really need to buy an amp right now, but I'm torn between the E11, the E12, and the C&C BH2 (another Chinese-made amp). The E11 is about half the price of the E12 and the BH2, which is super-cheap, so I might want to buy that. But the E12 is kind of an upgrade to the E11, and it looks really good. The BH2 was lauded for its impressive battery life (which I don't think I need given the usage environment). So if any of you have testd these amps, which would you prefer? Thanks!


Edited by thatBeatsguy - 1/13/14 at 2:05am
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I agree. I don't have an amp, but after listening to them from my three sources (PC Line-Out, Android phone, and iPod), the iPod sounded the best out of all of them. It's like they were made for these earphones, or rather tuned with iPods in mind.

 

EDIT: Your mention of the E11 just made me blew my cap. I really need to buy an amp right now, but I'm torn between the E11, the E12, and the C&C BH2 (another Chinese-made amp). The E11 is about half the price of the E12 and the BH2, which is super-cheap, so I might want to buy that. But the E12 is kind of an upgrade to the E11, and it looks really good. The BH2 was lauded for its impressive battery life (which I don't think I need given the usage environment). So if any of you have testd these amps, which would you prefer? Thanks!

Absolutely agree. Out of all of those sources and my PC, the iPod won hands down. Not even close. So I think it was tuned with ipods in mind too. 

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Absolutely agree. Out of all of those sources and my PC, the iPod won hands down. Not even close. So I think it was tuned with ipods in mind too. 

i've never tested the C&C, but i have tested the FiiO E5, E6, E10, E11, and E12. The E11 is hands down the best value. It's an impressive amp for the price, improved soundstage, clarity, and best of all is the only one out of all of these that has a protected volume knob, both high and low gain. and three different bass boost settings. The others, including the E12 DON'T have this feature, and the battery life on low gain lasts 8 hours of continuous use, and 5 hours on high gain. It's the one amp I've refused to sell off, and i won't ever sell. Plus the casing pops right off, so you can replace the battery if you end up having battery issues in the future. Get the E11. You won't regret it. 

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Havi B3 seems to come in three versions
 

哈威B3双动圈单元结合ie80和tf10动铁优点

哈威B3箱味ie2双动圈双单元入耳hifi专业超动铁

HAVI入耳B3专业双单元非diy平c4音效超ie800手机hifi人声神器

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Personally, I found the E11 a bit pointless, and it was only after getting the BH that I realised what an amp can really do. The bass boost is all the E11 has to offer; the amp doesn't enhance clarity or soundstage, it just enables you to get more volume. The BH, on the other hand, with its two outputs, lets you choose between a warmer and a clearer sound, and the switches let you modify bass and soundstage. The battery lasts forever, and you can use it while charging, which isn't the case with the E11. I highly recommend it over the E11.

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Personally, I found the E11 a bit pointless, and it was only after getting the BH that I realised what an amp can really do. The bass boost is all the E11 has to offer; the amp doesn't enhance clarity or soundstage, it just enables you to get more volume. The BH, on the other hand, with its two outputs, lets you choose between a warmer and a clearer sound, and the switches let you modify bass and soundstage. The battery lasts forever, and you can use it while charging, which isn't the case with the E11. I highly recommend it over the E11.

It's also way more expensive for minimal upgrade. Sure I could spend a ****load of money for a Schitt amp, or some other amp with a boatload of features and buttons, but for the money and the sonic ability and features, the E11 IS A BETTER DEAL. 

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Havi B3 seems to come in three versions
 

 

哈威B3双动圈单元结合ie80和tf10动铁优点

哈威B3箱味ie2双动圈双单元入耳hifi专业超动铁

HAVI入耳B3专业双单元非diy平c4音效超ie800手机hifi人声神器

I think those are manufacturer hyberbole words, or vendor words. A B3 version like the Sennheiser IE800? Come now. That's like buying a fake IE80 from Aliexpress. 

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Personally, I found the E11 a bit pointless, and it was only after getting the BH that I realised what an amp can really do. The bass boost is all the E11 has to offer; the amp doesn't enhance clarity or soundstage, it just enables you to get more volume. The BH, on the other hand, with its two outputs, lets you choose between a warmer and a clearer sound, and the switches let you modify bass and soundstage. The battery lasts forever, and you can use it while charging, which isn't the case with the E11. I highly recommend it over the E11.

 

The sole purpose of an amplifier is to do exactely that; amplify. People here treat amplifiers like hardware EQs. 

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Ok now I have to edit a characteristic of the Piston I just observed from more source experimentation. ThatBeatsGuy tipped me off with a comment he made earlier. The Piston DONT SYNERGIZE well with AMPS. Listening to the Piston through the Sansa Fuze without the amp, they sound vibrant, clear, and controlled, as opposed to grainy and bass flabby when amped. So unamped with the Sansa, Sony, and iPod, they really sing. Just such a balanced and dynamic sound. So engaging and forward. The X3 has a built in amp, so they suffer while going through the X3. The OM Audio, UE 700, and Trumpets don't have such issues with the X3. They love it and the X3 loves them. Just a little something for those of you with Piston 2.0 and amps.
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It's also way more expensive for minimal upgrade. Sure I could spend a ****load of money for a Schitt amp, or some other amp with a boatload of features and buttons, but for the money and the sonic ability and features, the E11 IS A BETTER DEAL. 

Just because it's cheaper, that doesn't make it a better deal. After buying the E11 and trying it out for a month, I concluded that it wasn't really an upgrade over having no amp at all. Not so with the BH, and the difference between $100 isn't that massive.

 

Originally Posted by Negakinu View Post
 

The sole purpose of an amplifier is to do exactely that; amplify. People here treat amplifiers like hardware EQs. 

That's a bit of a simplification.

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The X3 has a built in amp

DAPs generally do, hence the concept of line out.

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$100 isn't a big difference?! Maybe for someone with piles of money. For the layman, student, or a guy who doesn't make a lot of cheese, $100 is either two new Chinese IEMs, a HiFiMan RE-400 or similarly priced mid-fi stunner, or a weeks meals. The E11 is a fine amp for what it needs to do, and with the savings and $30 more, you just bought the Zero Audio Doppios and you got an amp to boot!! Head-fi is such a great place to be.
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