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post #76 of 6020
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i haven't had the HE-4 for quite a while. What i can remember is that HE-400 is much easier to drive. I never tried HE-4 with metal since that's not something i usually listen to, but HE-400 sounds pretty good with the album "Massive Attack" i just put on (got it as a gift from another headier here). I see that you have Burson HA-160DS, and based on its output power you will definitely got much better results with HE-400 than HE-4.
 

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You said you've heard the HE-4 before right? Would you mind doing a brief comparison of them and the 400?
Which do you think would be better for metal? Does it carry over the aggressiveness of metal very good?
thanks, happy listening.


 

post #77 of 6020

The LCD2 has a completely different type of bass experience from all the Hifiman models, its ultra clean and solid as a rock.  It is on a different level all together from all of the Hifiman models so to hear that the HE400 could possible remind you of the LCD2 is a bit scary to me.  It would be the black sheep of the HE series because all of the other HE series models have the same bass texture and type.  

 

Audezes Bass

-Rock Solid, like walls of marble emitting bass

-Extremely Snappy

-Does not exaggerate in its presentation, it is not stretched sounding like pretty much all other Hifi headphones.

-Is not omnipresent, the bass appears when the track says so, it is not enveloping to me

 

Hifimans Bass

-More Airy ( not in a bad way at all )  but like a Velvet curtain emitting bass

-Low quantity of Snappiness, compared to a lot of other Hifi sets the HE500 is a breeze

-Exaggerates, Bass feels stretched and pulled to envelop 

-Is omnipresent, ability to have a rumbly low end at all times.  More vast sounding at the expense of sonic purity.

 

As I sit here with my HE300 and HE500, they have the identically same bass texture and type. Smooth, broad, not nearly as solid sounding as the LCD2.  Could the HE400 really be the LCD2s little brother in terms of bass type instead of the HE500? :)

 

 


Edited by swbf2cheater - 12/25/11 at 10:49pm
post #78 of 6020

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Originally Posted by sphinxvc View Post

This part is befuddling:

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Originally Posted by Il Mostro View Post

^^^^^^^  The audio equivalent of the marketing double-speak used in ads for men's fragrances... "strong yet vulnerable", "assertive yet sensitive". biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by SanjiWatsuki View Post

Well, I'm not sure if it is contradictory. You could have a headphone with a warm sound signature that is also very good at picking up microdetails. 

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+1. warm sounding has nothing to do with micro details. does it mean only a headphone with dry and cold sound signature is able to produce incredible details? Does it mean that all the tube amplifiers simply lacks in details compare to solid state amps? ^_^ 

It's difficult to describe sound with words. I just read somewhere that it's like use words to describe wine. you just have to listen to it yourself in order to understand. Plus everyone's hearing is different and not to mention music preference.

 

I actually meant them saying "familiar hifiman signature" then saying "warm", nothing about details.

post #79 of 6020

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5. How does it compare against HE-500? well...HE-500 is still superior when it comes to transparency and clarity, but HE-400 offers better bass impact and is much easier to drive. After the recent price drop on HE-500, it is considered as the best value on the headphone market right now, and i think that HE-400 just took over the crown in terms of value.


So since you have owned/heard phones from almost every tier ... 3) HD650/HE-4 2) HE-500/Lambda Nova 1) LCD-2/HE-6 (just loose designations) ... what tier would you throw HE-400s in from what you've heard of it so far? 

 

Edit: I realized that was a little vague -- as in...would you make a new tier between the HD650 & HE-500...or put it on the same level as K-701 or HD650, etcetera.


Edited by sphinxvc - 12/26/11 at 5:07pm
post #80 of 6020
Thread Starter 

in MY OWN opinion HE-400 is at a higher level than HD650. here is MY list of tiers for the headphones you mentioned. again, just MY list. :-)

 

4) HD650/K701/HE-300

3) HE-4

2.5) HE-400

2) LCD2/HE-500/Lamda Nova

1) HE-6
 

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So since you have owned/heard phones from almost every tier ... 3) HD650/HE-4 2) HE-500/Lambda Nova 1) LCD-2/HE-6 (just loose designations) ... what tier would you throw HE-400s in from what you've heard of it so far? 

 

Edit: I realized that was a little vague -- as in...would you make a new tier between the HD650 & HE-500...or put it on the same level as K-701 or HD650, etcetera.



 

post #81 of 6020
Thread Starter 

totally agree. that's why HE-400 was really a big surprise to me. Fang did mention it before handed over the headphone to me, and i thought that they probably just emphasized the bass a little more, nothing special. I was wrong. I have no intention to suggest that the bass of LCD2 and HE-400 are the same. They are NOT. LCD2 is still probably better, but i just couldn't' help myself but comparing those two. 

 

btw, I don't know if you have heard the HE-6 with a Power Amp or even the LYR. It produces the best bass in my mind. It has all the good things you have said about LCD2's bass, and is also more airy and extends further. It simply hits into your heart.
 

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Originally Posted by swbf2cheater View Post

The LCD2 has a completely different type of bass experience from all the Hifiman models, its ultra clean and solid as a rock.  It is on a different level all together from all of the Hifiman models so to hear that the HE400 could possible remind you of the LCD2 is a bit scary to me.  It would be the black sheep of the HE series because all of the other HE series models have the same bass texture and type.  

 

Audezes Bass

-Rock Solid, like walls of marble emitting bass

-Extremely Snappy

-Does not exaggerate in its presentation, it is not stretched sounding like pretty much all other Hifi headphones.

-Is not omnipresent, the bass appears when the track says so, it is not enveloping to me

 

Hifimans Bass

-More Airy ( not in a bad way at all )  but like a Velvet curtain emitting bass

-Low quantity of Snappiness, compared to a lot of other Hifi sets the HE500 is a breeze

-Exaggerates, Bass feels stretched and pulled to envelop 

-Is omnipresent, ability to have a rumbly low end at all times.  More vast sounding at the expense of sonic purity.

 

As I sit here with my HE300 and HE500, they have the identically same bass texture and type. Smooth, broad, not nearly as solid sounding as the LCD2.  Could the HE400 really be the LCD2s little brother in terms of bass type instead of the HE500? :)

 

 



 

post #82 of 6020

I have extensive experience with all of them, but I have virtually no experience with the HE6 and a truly omnipotent amplifier.  I had only heard it out of the Woo Audio WA6 and even then I found it to be comparable to the HE500 ( just like the HE300 almost sounding like an under powered HE500 ).  I've also never heard any of them with a balanced source and cable, I am sure I am missing out on a fair deal of quality.  

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by swbf2cheater - 12/26/11 at 11:09pm
post #83 of 6020

Darn, I KNEW it. I knew that the HE-400 would sound better than the HE-4. Just like how some prefer the HE-500 to the HE-6. The HE-4 is kind of like an untamed beast, and I imagine that the HE-4 is the sweeter more tuned model. Alas, it's not worth it for me to get the HE-400...but I'm REALLY interested to hear this bass. 
 

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in MY OWN opinion HE-400 is at a higher level than HD650. here is MY list of tiers for the headphones you mentioned. again, just MY list. :-)

 

4) HD650/K701/HE-300

3) HE-4

2.5) HE-400

2) LCD2/HE-500/Lamda Nova

1) HE-6
 



 



 

post #84 of 6020

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Originally Posted by blankdisc View Post

in MY OWN opinion HE-400 is at a higher level than HD650. here is MY list of tiers for the headphones you mentioned. again, just MY list. :-)

 

4) HD650/K701/HE-300

3) HE-4

2.5) HE-400

2) LCD2/HE-500/Lamda Nova

1) HE-6


Interesting.  Now that makes me want to put my own together (the previous one was just a loose example) -- here's my list for the heck of it:

 

 

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7) HD650, K701, HE-4

6) HE-5LE

5) HE-500, Lambda Pro, D7000

4) HD800, LCD-2, Edition 8, K1000, SR-507

3) HE-6

2)SR-007, LCD-3

1) R10, Qualia, SR-009

 

 

I imagine the HE-400 might sit near slot 6 from what you say.


Edited by sphinxvc - 12/27/11 at 6:55am
post #85 of 6020
Wait,so the HE400 is better than the HE4? I felt the HE4 to sound like a hybrid of the DT880 and DT990. What does the HE400 sound like? What is it forward in, soundwise?
post #86 of 6020
Thread Starter 

WA6 doesn't have enough power for HE-6. i mean which headphone amplifier does? :-) Power amp is the only way to get that monster to dance. 
 

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Originally Posted by swbf2cheater View Post

I have extensive experience with all of them, but I have virtually no experience with the HE6 and a truly omnipotent amplifier.  I had only heard it out of the Woo Audio WA6 and even then I found it to be comparable to the HE500 ( just like the HE300 almost sounding like an under powered HE500 ).  I've also never heard any of them with a balanced source and cable, I am sure I am missing out on a fair deal of quality.  

 

 

 

 

 

 



 

post #87 of 6020
Thread Starter 

yes, it is. i mean overall yes. i am sure you might be able to find something that you prefer HE-4 over HE-400, but overall (price, weight, sensitivity and sound) I think that HE-400 is a better headphone.
 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Wait,so the HE400 is better than the HE4? I felt the HE4 to sound like a hybrid of the DT880 and DT990. What does the HE400 sound like? What is it forward in, soundwise?


 

post #88 of 6020

What an awful blue color :s 

post #89 of 6020
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What an awful blue color :s 


I actually like the blue color. Reminds me of the travel case for the bowers and wilkins p5 ;P
Black outside dark blue inside
post #90 of 6020

A Ferrari Red HE-6(00) would be nice. :)

 

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Edited by Loevhagen - 12/27/11 at 10:08am
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