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post #5506 of 6020
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

LOL.

 

If HE400s are slightly uncomfortable, then LCD2s are a crown of thorns. Much heavier, less cup adjustment freedom, more jaw pressure. Easily the most uncomfortable current-production high-end headphones. DairyProduce must be a masochist popcorn.gif

 

Pads are plusher on the LCD-2 though. And if you don't move, twitch or breath too often (not like you HAVE to breath or something wink.gif) the adjustment and pressure problems aren't really problems.

 

Okay, but seriously, they are really heavy and cumbersome. Whenever I listen to them for a couple of hours, I have to sit still and lean against the wall to support my rippling neck.

post #5507 of 6020
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Pads are plusher on the LCD-2 though. And if you don't move, twitch or breath too often (not like you HAVE to breath or something wink.gif) the adjustment and pressure problems aren't really problems.

 

Okay, but seriously, they are really heavy and cumbersome. Whenever I listen to them for a couple of hours, I have to sit still and lean against the wall to support my rippling neck.

Oh yeah and that's another thing I forgot to mention, LCD2s had no secure fit on my head when I auditioned them, basically they just wanted to slip off and fall on the floor at the first opportunity. This is in stark contrast with Hifiman cans, which stay almost too secure on the head, sometimes it feels like it's trying to take control of you like a headcrab does.


Edited by jerg - 11/23/12 at 11:45pm
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I guess there's no way to get a compromise between the weight/comfort of the ortho's and their sound quality right? confused_face(1).gif

post #5509 of 6020
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Oh yeah and that's another thing I forgot to mention, LCD2s had no secure fit on my head when I auditioned them, basically they just wanted to slip off and fall on the floor at the first opportunity. This is in stark contrast with Hifiman cans, which stay almost too secure on the head, sometimes it feels like it's trying to take control of you like a headcrab does.

 

Mine have already taken over me, i can't get them off my head beyersmile.png

post #5510 of 6020
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Mine have already taken over me, i can't get them off my head beyersmile.png

post #5511 of 6020

jerg,

 

Since you just recently picked up the HE-500 in addition to your HE-400, it would be interesting to hear where you plan to go from here with the two.

Based on your impressions it doesn't sound like the two headphones differ enough to justify keeping them both. Am i mistaken in this assumption? 

Do you believe they differ in sound signature/quality enough to have both as complimentary headphones, rather than just a hifiman collection?

post #5512 of 6020
I decided to try the grill mod by just taking the grills off and trying it naked.

They sound more natural now, the vocals are better and so is the treble. More dynamic and airy too. Its similar to the effect the velours have but even more so. With the velours, I couldn't tell the difference immediately but could after 15 minutes or so and especially after I tried going back to the pleathers. With this mod the improvement is obvious straight away. I would say its like 5x times as much as the velours. If you think the velours make a big difference then you have to try this! Now I just have to find a wire mesh bin down under. I have the original rev2's running from a NFB15.1.

All I can say is.. why didn't I listen to Jerg 4 months ago?
Thanks mate!!
post #5513 of 6020
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Originally Posted by mlxx View Post

I decided to try the grill mod by just taking the grills off and trying it naked.
They sound more natural now, the vocals are better and so is the treble. More dynamic and airy too. Its similar to the effect the velours have but even more so. With the velours, I couldn't tell the difference immediately but could after 15 minutes or so and especially after I tried going back to the pleathers. With this mod the improvement is obvious straight away. I would say its like 5x times as much as the velours. If you think the velours make a big difference then you have to try this! Now I just have to find a wire mesh bin down under. I have the original rev2's running from a NFB15.1.
All I can say is.. why didn't I listen to Jerg 4 months ago?
Thanks mate!!

Jerg deserves some serious cookies for introducing that grill mod. They've made these some of my most favourite headphones to date. 

 

We should raise money to buy him a HE-6/LCD-3 or something. blink.gif

post #5514 of 6020

Im guessing they leak more sound with the grill mod no?

post #5515 of 6020
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I guess there's no way to get a compromise between the weight/comfort of the ortho's and their sound quality right? confused_face(1).gif

HE-4 would like a word with you.
post #5516 of 6020
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HE-4 would like a word with you.

The HE-5LE as well smily_headphones1.gif
post #5517 of 6020
I say the HE-4 because its significantly lighter than the others, including the 5LE. Its almost 100g lighter than the HE400, and trust me, its noticeable. Also, the velours used are even better.
post #5518 of 6020

Got my HE-400 today from Headamp, who were a pleasure to deal with.

 

First impressions: Detail, bass and physical weight!

post #5519 of 6020
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Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post

They're sort of similar. I'd equate the W4 with the HD650, and the PFE232 with the HE-400. The HE-400s have a flatter bass, with more of a tactile response and depth (though the PFE232s are no slouch in terms of speed), and markedly less upper-mids/lower treble (changes tonality quite a bit, though you can still hear the resemblance). Mids are clear and lean on both, which is what reminded me of the two being similar. Blacker background on the PFE though. Treble levels are on the sparkly side on both as well. Obviously the soundstage and imaging is better on the HiFiMAN. I'd give the win to the HE-400 for overall performance though, even when considering the IEM-full-size discrepancy. 

For more in-depth impressions, ask planx. He has both. 

I see, so would you say the SQ on the HE-400 makes up for the lack of portability compared to the PFE 232? Are they a significant upgrade in that regard? Does the HE-400 have the harder hitting bass? And which would you say is more fun to listen to overall?

I'll have to get hold of planx. Thank you.
post #5520 of 6020
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Originally Posted by DairyProduce View Post

I guess there's no way to get a compromise between the weight/comfort of the ortho's and their sound quality right? confused_face(1).gif

If you can try Mad Dog, it's much more comfortable than HE-400, but less airier, and less sound stage because it's a close can.

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