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post #5266 of 6020

Think of planar magnetics as regular speakers.  They emit sound out equally in both directions.  And yes they're the only headphones I've heard in which you can actually hear and sorta feel the bass when they're in front of you and not on your head, that's just how much air they move.  I assume other planar magnetics and electrostats do the same thing.

post #5267 of 6020
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Originally Posted by trunolimit View Post

But I guess if this was my intention all along I should have stuck with the HD 650. Although I do want to experience this magical bass everyone is raving about. These headphones are very strange in that when I hold them I can feel the bass through my fingers and they sound amazing when I'm holding them in front of me. It sounds like there is a kick ass party going on in the ear cups but when I put them on it all sounds rather flat. well maybe flat isn't the correct word for it but I just feel like I'm missing something.

 

I wore them on the train for the first time tonight and I've learned two things....1) weight does matter (my neck is killing me, or more so the bone under my ear where the bottom of the cups tend to squeeze.) 2) leakage may bother me more than I thought it would. I was getting some very dirty looks and had to turn down my tunes after a bit of explicit material found it's way to the ears of some young ones. Oh why didn't I listen to the wise words of the forum.

 

Well, yes they re flat by their nature.... Im sure some may find them "boring" compared to the "fun" cans such as the Ultrasones, Grados, etc.

 

I believe that the whole Hifiman lineup is about the integrity of all the instruments, sounding natual and realistic so even though they have nice tight bass (some prefer to call it the "audiophile bass"), if you are looking for boomy bass , you have to look elsewhere I believe.

 

I have no real experience with HIFImans but based on what I ve read, they are natural, flat, live-like, smooth and laid-back...

 

I own the pro 900 only for now, but Im planning to upgrade to the HE-500s soon, so it might be quite a shock for me coming off these "fun" headphones, but I hope I will adjust quicky :)

 

And yep I wouldnt take them outside... It is bassicaly like having double-sided speakers... it does not islate at all and cab ne very intrusive for others, not talking about the huge cups (Im sure it looks very ridiculously, even more than my Pros)

 

Anyways, lesson learnt... Next time pay attention to the wise guys, they are very helpful.

 

Cheers, Luke 

 

EDIT: Well, Raven beat me to it :)


Edited by conquerator2 - 11/3/12 at 5:07pm
post #5268 of 6020

If you are looking for a boomy or overpowering type bass, the HE-400 can do that.  You just need a really powerful amp for the additional headroom to EQ their bass up.  Given enough EQ, the HE-400's bass rivals the power of D2000 and more.  If the HE-400s had a more flimsy frame, I'm sure they'd start ratting on your head.

post #5269 of 6020
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

If you are looking for a boomy or overpowering type bass, the HE-400 can do that.  You just need a really powerful amp for the additional headroom to EQ their bass up.  Given enough EQ, the HE-400's bass rivals the power of D2000 and more.  If the HE-400s had a more flimsy frame, I'm sure they'd start ratting on your head.

 

Im sure you are right, I meant on default.

 

Of course you can EQ anything if you d like.

 

I know my Pros are ratling if I boost the bass. It satisfying for a whil, but then the bass becomes tooowerpowering and you EQ it back down.

 

Of course I recommend the HIFIman over the Pros... I actuall regret getting them instea of the HE-400 a little :)

post #5270 of 6020

You don't have to EQ the Pro900s much, they already come with a built-in 20db EQ to the bass.  biggrin.gif

 

post #5271 of 6020
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Think of planar magnetics as regular speakers.  They emit sound out equally in both directions.  And yes they're the only headphones I've heard in which you can actually hear and sorta feel the bass when they're in front of you and not on your head, that's just how much air they move.  I assume other planar magnetics and electrostats do the same thing.

Well said. It's a strange experience the first time you take them off your head at loud volumes, or even lift them off your ears slightly. It's that completely even distribution of sound that makes them so pleasing to listen to.

 

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

If you are looking for a boomy or overpowering type bass, the HE-400 can do that.  You just need a really powerful amp for the additional headroom to EQ their bass up.  Given enough EQ, the HE-400's bass rivals the power of D2000 and more.  If the HE-400s had a more flimsy frame, I'm sure they'd start ratting on your head.

I'm shocked I don't see these kinds of posts more, it's completely true. The 400 is the most capable and EQ-friendly set i've ever used. I've gotten the bass to amazingly powerful levels and the 400 still unbelieveably does it effortlessly and with great power. One of the main selling points for me on these was how damn well and balanced they did the low end, while not choking anything else out. 

 

Also of note is the sub bass they produce is actually more gradifying than the Denon's. It's very comparible to a sub woofer in that it moves air instead of vibrating and the clear sound. I rave about this so much because I'm still shocked that I was able to choose these over my D5000's (which I REALLY love, especially for the bass response) Because there is so much overhead on the 400's for low-end.

post #5272 of 6020

Guide to fun with HE400s:

 

Turn Bass EQ to +8 on the FiiO E17

Play something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr-1Sxa9RTU on 720P

Receive free ear massage

post #5273 of 6020
Check out the song on my sig. I bet DAT BASS would make the HE400 sound like car subs.
post #5274 of 6020
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Guide to fun with HE400s:

 

Turn Bass EQ to +8 on the FiiO E17

Play something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr-1Sxa9RTU on 720P

Receive free ear massage

did it. And WOW. Nice. 

 

I almost gave up on the whole bassyness of these headphones thinking my HD 25's have more punch but then this song came up on my play list and I was surprised. I did try to turn up the bass earlier but it sounded really distorted and ugly. One thing the HD 650 never did was sound distorted even when I blast them with a bass of 10 on the e17. HD 650 were lighter and more comfortable also. And they don't lack in the bass department. I briefly owned a pair of Dennon AH d-600. That thing was bassy. I would have kept those if the head band wasn't so loose on my head. I'd look down and I'd feel like the headphones were going to fall off.

 

If I could get a full refund on the he-400 I'd return them because they are just not what I need right now. But if I have to suffer a loss of over 40 dollars in order to return them I'd probably keep them because I can build a system around them and enjoy them for a while and sell them off for probably the same amount I'd get from amazon when the time came.  

post #5275 of 6020
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Originally Posted by trunolimit View Post
One thing the HD 650 never did was sound distorted even when I blast them with a bass of 10 on the e17.

Maybe not with that amp, but i've gotten them to clip from 40hz and lower songs at louder volumes, crazy.

post #5276 of 6020

lol

 

I got billed my shipping cost instead of refunded :( 

post #5277 of 6020
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Originally Posted by IcedTea View Post

lol

 

I got billed my shipping cost instead of refunded :( 

 

They haven't send me my HE-400s FANG yet biggrin.gif

post #5278 of 6020
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

Hey guys, does anyone know how the he-400 stacks against the fisher audio fa 002w master high edition? I read a lyrical review on forums about this headphone, but cant find any comparision with the he 400..the reviewer did compare them to the he6 and said its comparable to the sounssignature..if i remember it right...and the price is in the region of the he400...thanks for any info guys
Pls dismiss this question as i got my hands on a he500 / modded darkvoice 337 combo...biggrin.gif
My god..this is heaven..and thinkin i visited that guy to only buy his almost new lyr..instead..i by accident listened to this combo..while the lyr was heatin up..and i never turned back..made a good deal and got home with them redface.gif
post #5279 of 6020
Okay, I got my hands on a NAD 3020e. It sounds pretty nice on my AD700s, but I'm concerned about the range of the volume pot that I can use. With the AD700s it's only safe to turn it up by about 10 percent from minimum before I fear for my ears. Will the HE-400s fare better in this regard? I know the AD700s are pretty easy to drive to loud volumes. Channel balance issues typically occur most at lower volumes on amps I believe so I would really prefer if I could use the HE-400s in the 20+ percent region without turning my brain to mush biggrin.gif

The HE-400s should arrive tomorrow some time, FedEx notwithstanding, but it can't hurt to ask beforehand!
Edited by bcpk - 11/4/12 at 11:09am
post #5280 of 6020

You can apply a subtractive EQ to both balance the sound of your AD700s out and use more of the amp's volume pot at the same time.

 

HE-400s are considerably harder to drive than AD700s.

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